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    Default Re: Motorola: Google had No Influence on the Moto X or G

    The execs went on to say that the Moto X’s software features or the Moto G were original Motorola creations that had nothing to do with Google’s input, even though these devices clearly departed from the RAZR Android handsets the company launched before, especially when it comes to the almost pure Android operating system. However, the execs say that was also an internal Motorola decision that had nothing to do with Google.
    They were already headed in that direction. When the 2011 DROIDs got ICS, Motorola went for a more "pure Android" look an feel. That continued when those devices got Jelly Bean. The 2012 DROIDs did the same. In fact, they were more similar to the Nexus 5/Google Now Launcher too (swipe left for settings, 1 homescreen and add to the right).
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    Quote Originally Posted by NoYankees44 View Post
    Well if anyone remembers like I do, Motorola's skin (MotoBlur) was the most hated skin, more than Samsung's I would say at the time. They went for a more stock look when the ICS updates came for the 2011 Motorola phones, and when the 2012 Droids hit, they went for a stockish feel from the get go and the rest is history.

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    Google most certainly did influence the lack of an SD card.
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    Quote Originally Posted by A895 View Post
    Well if anyone remembers like I do, Motorola's skin (MotoBlur) was the most hated skin, more than Samsung's I would say at the time. They went for a more stock look when the ICS updates came for the 2011 Motorola phones, and when the 2012 Droids hit, they went for a stockish feel from the get go and the rest is history.

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    People hated the MotoBlur that had a separate MotoBlur login. AFAIK, not all of them did. I think none of the DROIDs had them but I think most of the GSM Motorola Android phones (Charm, Backflip, Flipside, etc.).

    MotoBlur on my DROID Bionic was fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    Google most certainly did influence the lack of an SD card.
    That's everybody though. They want you to use their cloud services. Plus its cheaper for manufacturers to exclude it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A895 View Post
    That's everybody though. They want you to use their cloud services. Plus its cheaper for manufacturers to exclude it.
    right, but google only owned motorola so they were the only phone manufacturer they could force it on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    right, but google only owned motorola so they were the only phone manufacturer they could force it on.
    Google had little say so I'm what Motorola did. They left Motorola alone, they may have consulted on the Moto X but that's it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    People hated the MotoBlur that had a separate MotoBlur login. AFAIK, not all of them did. I think none of the DROIDs had them but I think most of the GSM Motorola Android phones (Charm, Backflip, Flipside, etc.).

    MotoBlur on my DROID Bionic was fine.
    It want the login it was the skin itself. I remember fondly from my Engadget days people foaming at the mouth about the Motoblur skin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by A895 View Post
    Google had little say so I'm what Motorola did. They left Motorola alone, they may have consulted on the Moto X but that's it.
    not when it came to the sd card - that was google's doing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    not when it came to the sd card - that was google's doing.
    do you guys have any facts or are you just guessing like it's a fact?
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    Quote Originally Posted by tmann202 View Post
    do you guys have any facts or are you just guessing like it's a fact?
    google the xoom fiasco - and that was before they actually OWNED Motorola and had one of their guys installed as the CEO.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    right, but google only owned motorola so they were the only phone manufacturer they could force it on.
    They can't force any Android OEM to do anything like that.

    Here's how I see it - Motorola adopted the stock Android experience with Google service + software features to differentiate their devices built on hardware that can support it as their version of Android. MicroSD is not part of the stock Android experience. AFAIK, phones there's extra development work that needs to happen on phones that support microSD plus a royalty to Microsoft.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    They can't force any Android OEM to do anything like that.
    When they OWN the OEM, ya, they can.

    And don't forget, Woodside was a Google guy, not a motorola guy. You saw how fast he jumped ship as soon as google announced the sale of motorola to lenovo.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    When they OWN the OEM, ya, they can.

    And don't forget, Woodside was a Google guy, not a motorola guy. You saw how fast he jumped ship as soon as google announced the sale of motorola to lenovo.
    I hope you understand that neither of us can confirm what actually went down.

    With the news that Google "rarely" got involved in Motorola's product decisions, I personally doubt that SD cards (and removeable batteries) were a Motorola decision, not Google's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    With the news that Google "rarely" got involved in Motorola's product decisions,.
    I don't know if it were rare or not, but it was the case for the loss of the removable sd card
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    I don't know if it were rare or not, but it was the case for the loss of the removable sd card
    So are you stating that as fact or opinion?

    Could you point me to where it's publically stated by Google told Motorola to not use SD cards in their new devices?
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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    I don't know if it were rare or not, but it was the case for the loss of the removable sd card
    You need sources for claims like this my friend.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    Could you point me to where it's publically stated by Google told Motorola to not use SD cards in their new devices?
    Lol at Google or Motorola ever publicly announcing that.

    ya think Samsung is ever going to publicly announce how google strong armed them into toning touchwiz down and used Motorola as leverage? or google, do you think they will be issuing a press release about that?
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    Lol at Google or Motorola ever publicly announcing that.
    Nothing to back it up? Cool.

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    Nothing to back it up? Cool.
    So should I out my sources here just to prove to you how cool I am? lol!
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    Quote Originally Posted by A895 View Post
    It want the login it was the skin itself. I remember fondly from my Engadget days people foaming at the mouth about the Motoblur skin.

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    I don't remember sites making a big deal about the ones that didn't have a Blur login. IMO Blur got "better" (less intrusive) as Android got better.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ry View Post
    I don't remember sites making a big deal about the ones that didn't have a Blur login. IMO Blur got "better" (less intrusive) as Android got better.

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    That's because they started a move towards stock. If they would have kept the skin people would have made a hoopla about it like they did with touchwiz as time went on.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SmithlandCart View Post
    So should I out my sources here just to prove to you how cool I am? lol!
    You act like people are being unreasonable asking for proof to back up your claims other than your word, is it really that unreasonable? What if journalists acted the same way (of course the way things are today, I wonder if they don't do that)? You may be right, but without facts to backup your story, it's no more credible than if someone says the president makes his decisions based on tarot cards.

    Motorola was doing non removable batteries before the Google buyout, it's not unreasonable to assume that they dropped SD cards for reasons other than Google. When they have to prepare an update, an SD card adds to the work, which means slowing down the rollout date. Plus with no SD card, it makes stepping up to the next model with more storage space more necessary, which means more money for them. SD cards can be bought from anyone, moving up to the next tier in storage means the money goes to Motorola. Plus not having an SD card slot means one less thing to troubleshoot and warranty if it goes bad. Even though I don't like it, the only benefit the OEM sees by offering an SD card is a small group of people want it. While Samsung does offer them and scoops up those buyers who absolutely need one, that's not why they're currently the top dog. A huge marketing budget and the exposure from the Apple lawsuit is what's propelled them to the top. The everyday customer sees that Apple is suing them because they're supposedly stealing customers by offering a similar experience to their iPhone, and those customers give them a second look. I've had most of my friends who aren't into phones at all ask me what I think of Samsung's phones, but only after the publicity of the lawsuit. Like they say, there's no such thing as bad publicity.

    But if what you're saying is true, then why did HTC and LG bring out flagship phones this year without SD cards? If you're right, how did Google strongarm them into abandoning them?
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    Quote Originally Posted by vzwuser76 View Post
    Motorola was doing non removable batteries before the Google buyout, it's not unreasonable to assume that they dropped SD cards for reasons other than Google.
    I don't have any proof either, but it has been well publicized that Microsoft make money through patent royalties from Android. This may be related to the FAT patent issues seen in the Microsoft v TomTom. I believe the reasons Google don't want to use SDcard isn't due to just integration and security issues and cloud services, it's also to not step into this dangerous territory.

    If it's true that Samsung pay Microsoft a certain cost per device sold, then it's understandable Google don't want them to include this feature.

    Take what I said with a grain of salt, but you can Google for "Microsoft android patent royalties".

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