08-12-2013 07:31 PM
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  1. Haalcyon's Avatar
    Of the two I'd want the one wth the highest ppi. So, that'd be the One. However, I'd (and did) choose the S4 for its expandible storage, great performance, 32GB on-board, high ppi screen, replaceable/upgradeable battery....you get the idea.

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    07-27-2013 11:00 AM
  2. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    We're talking about meaningless specs instead off talking about how Samsung's display is probably going to have better contrast and a larger viewing angle. Pixel Density isn't the only thing that determines screen quality, not by a long shot.
    But for sure it will have less display clarity. I'd much rather have a clear display than one with 'punchy colors':


    Does anyone realize that there is more to screen quality than resolution? "1080p" is a gimmick. The screen on the S4 is better, but claiming it's all because it's "1080p" is silly. I can't tell a difference between 720p and 1080p on my 40" HDTV, but I'm suppose to be able to tell the difference on a friggin 5" phone? Come on people.
    PenTile AMOLED technology is so terrible that I bet you $1000 I can could tell you the difference between the GS3 & GS4 & HTC One from 36".

    But you are right. Resolution isn't everything. I'd take a 720 SLCD screen over a 1080 PenTile AMOLED any day of the week.

    Subpixel uniformity matters.
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    07-27-2013 11:25 AM
  3. tpdtopcop's Avatar
    I didn't see anyone call it 8 core in this thread. And the Ultra benchmarked higher than the One during Engadgets hands on

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    But for sure it will have less display clarity. I'd much rather have a clear display than one with 'punchy colors':
    http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/r...-galaxy-s4.jpg


    PenTile AMOLED technology is so terrible that I bet you $1000 I can could tell you the difference between the GS3 & GS4 & HTC One from 36".

    But you are right. Resolution isn't everything. I'd take a 720 SLCD screen over a 1080 PenTile AMOLED any day of the week.

    Subpixel uniformity matters.
    I agree with you and guess I should have made myself clearer. If the screen on the maxx was
    An SLCD at 720 It wouldn't have been a problem for me to choose then.
    07-27-2013 01:22 PM
  4. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I agree with you and guess I should have made myself clearer. If the screen on the maxx was
    An SLCD at 720 It wouldn't have been a problem for me to choose then.
    Agreed, 100%.
    07-27-2013 01:29 PM
  5. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    But for sure it will have less display clarity. I'd much rather have a clear display than one with 'punchy colors':
    http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/r...-galaxy-s4.jpg


    PenTile AMOLED technology is so terrible that I bet you $1000 I can could tell you the difference between the GS3 & GS4 & HTC One from 36".

    But you are right. Resolution isn't everything. I'd take a 720 SLCD screen over a 1080 PenTile AMOLED any day of the week.

    Subpixel uniformity matters.
    You're a big fan of blown up images aren't you?

    Like I said, NOTHING changes the fact that you really need a 50"+ TV to see the benefits of 1080p over 720p. At these screen sizes, resolution itself doesn't make a difference. 1080p is just a line on a spec sheet. It's like buying an S4 over all the lines on a spec sheet and then living with lag wondering where it came from. "1080p" is hype, period.
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    07-28-2013 03:14 PM
  6. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    You're a big fan of blown up images aren't you?

    Like I said, NOTHING changes the fact that you really need a 50"+ TV to see the benefits of 1080p over 720p. At these screen sizes, resolution itself doesn't make a difference. 1080p is just a line on a spec sheet. It's like buying an S4 over all the lines on a spec sheet and then living with lag wondering where it came from. "1080p" is hype, period.
    Enlarged to show detail :P. Take a step back from your computer any tell me you can't see a clarity difference in the images.

    I'd never buy an S4 because of lag, PenTile and poor signal.

    But as I said in the quote you copied, I can easily see the difference between LCD/PenTile/720/1080.

    It's not just a spec of you can 'clearly' see a difference.

    Also, you sit 10-15 feet away from a 50" TV. A 32" 1080 TV is noticeably better than 720 at 10 feet. Why is a phone you hold at arms length not noticeable?

    At 1080/720 on phones the display technology makes a bigger difference than the resolution. Which is why I dislike PenTile AMOLED and much prefer IPS/SLCD.

    I still want a 1080 SLCD screen.
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    07-28-2013 03:18 PM
  7. nkd's Avatar
    Screen you honestly have to look at it personally. Because some high quality screens that are 720p still look damn good compared to 1080p. Plus Motorola dumped the pentile displays so that is a plus. From the videos it looked pretty good, I am gonna check it out if I can't live with the screen I am not going to buy it, but if I cant tell the difference and it is acceptable and not blurry I will be taking the phone home. Phone seems plenty fast from the videos, I have had a galaxy s4 and what good is a quad core 1.9ghz processor when the phone is randomly going to start stuttering on you out of no where and you have to restart it. So far the feel snappier than the galaxy s4, I don't use my phone for benchmarks, sorry. LOL
    07-28-2013 08:26 PM
  8. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    But as I said in the quote you copied, I can easily see the difference between LCD/PenTile.
    There, I fixed your quote. My only point, again, is that talking about 720p vs 1080p is pointless, especially on phones. LCD vs Pentile is a different conversation. Luckily, the new Droid's aren't pentile and judging how they're going to look before holding one yourselves is kind of silly.

    So let's recap. We've determined that if 1080P on your TV doesn't matter until you get to 50"+, then it doesn't matter on a phone. We've also determined that LCD/OLED/Basically anything is better than Pentile. Soooooo, the new Droid's are OLED and have an appropriate resolution for the screen size. Yeah, seems like it's gonna look pretty crappy to me. (There's that sarcasm thing again )
    07-29-2013 01:13 AM
  9. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    There, I fixed your quote. My only point, again, is that talking about 720p vs 1080p is pointless, especially on phones. LCD vs Pentile is a different conversation. Luckily, the new Droid's aren't pentile and judging how they're going to look before holding one yourselves is kind of silly.

    So let's recap. We've determined that if 1080P on your TV doesn't matter until you get to 50"+, then it doesn't matter on a phone. We've also determined that LCD/OLED/Basically anything is better than Pentile. Soooooo, the new Droid's are OLED and have an appropriate resolution for the screen size. Yeah, seems like it's gonna look pretty crappy to me. (There's that sarcasm thing again )
    You seemed to have skipped all the logic I used with distances and resolutions. To each their own.

    It will not have uniform subpixels. It will not be as clear as SLCD/IPS of the same PPI. (I use that comparison picture to make this perfectly clear when I talk about resolution or display technologies).

    I'd be willing to bet it has the same sub-pixel pattern as the GS4. Samsung said it wasn't PenTile....it was "Diamond Matrix".

    They can call it whatever they like. It's still garbage.

    Nothing is currently better than RGB Stripe....and 1080.
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    07-29-2013 01:16 AM
  10. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    You seemed to have skipped all the logic I used with distances and resolutions. To each their own.

    It will not have uniform subpixels. It will not be as clear as SLCD/IPS of the same PPI. (I use that comparison picture to make this perfectly clear when I talk about resolution or display technologies).

    I'd be willing to bet it has the same sub-pixel pattern as the GS4. Samsung said it wasn't PenTile....it was "Diamond Matrix".

    They can call it whatever they like. It's still garbage.

    Nothing is currently better than RGB Stripe....and 1080.
    Agreed.

    The display is the one thing you use on a the device at all times. Why would one want a sub par display?

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    07-29-2013 08:50 AM
  11. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    Agreed.

    The display is the one thing you use on a the device at all times. Why would one want a sub par display?

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    I see absolutely nothing "subpar" about the display on my GNex. Visually, it's perfectly fine to my eyes. But I'll go chasing a spec sheet. Thanks for the tips!
    07-29-2013 07:32 PM
  12. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    I see absolutely nothing "subpar" about the display on my GNex. Visually, it's perfectly fine to my eyes. But I'll go chasing a spec sheet. Thanks for the tips!
    I was referring to my previous Motorola devices. My bad. I've never used a GNEX.

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    07-29-2013 08:32 PM
  13. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    I see absolutely nothing "subpar" about the display on my GNex. Visually, it's perfectly fine to my eyes. But I'll go chasing a spec sheet. Thanks for the tips!
    You think the Galaxy Nexus looks fine? That explains why you can't see a difference between 720/1080 & AMOLED/LCD. You should be perfectly happy with the Droid MAXX.
    07-29-2013 09:05 PM
  14. ffejjj's Avatar
    I wont debate what phone is better for what person. What i will say is that my Htc One is outstanding. By far the best phone i've ever owned. So happy with the build, the materials... The camera functions are truly awesome.

    Now about the display... When i bought my Htc Evo lte i thought it was the best display on a phone (and perhaps it was) but compared to the One the evo is just another phone. So damn nice.

    I am curious to see how the new Maxx looks and operates to tell the truth but for now i'm super happy with my One

    The Pentile type displays are the main reason i would never buy an S phone (among other reasons)
    07-29-2013 09:46 PM
  15. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    I wont debate what phone is better for what person. What i will say is that my Htc One is outstanding. By far the best phone i've ever owned. So happy with the build, the materials... The camera functions are truly awesome.

    Now about the display... When i bought my Htc Evo lte i thought it was the best display on a phone (and perhaps it was) but compared to the One the evo is just another phone. So damn nice.

    I am curious to see how the new Maxx looks and operates to tell the truth but for now i'm super happy with my One

    The Pentile type displays are the main reason i would never buy an S phone (among other reasons)
    How is the battery on the HTC One? I wouldn't want anything less then my Note II but I would love that phone.

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    07-29-2013 10:29 PM
  16. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    You think the Galaxy Nexus looks fine? That explains why you can't see a difference between 720/1080 & AMOLED/LCD. You should be perfectly happy with the Droid MAXX.
    No, I can see a difference just fine, I just don't care. Don't put words in my mouth. I said a 1080p on a 5" screen isn't a difference you can see. You can debate it all you want, and you can be wrong all you want.

    The difference between 720P and 1080P on a 50" tv has nothing to do with seating distances. A 720p video feed on my dad's 60" Sharp is noticeably pixelated compared to 1080p. The image is poor regardless of seating distance because the starting point sucks. You're STARTING with a stretched out pixelated image. Suggesting the same to be true on a 720p 5" screen is awesomely false.

    I wont debate what phone is better for what person. What i will say is that my Htc One is outstanding. By far the best phone i've ever owned. So happy with the build, the materials... The camera functions are truly awesome.

    Now about the display... When i bought my Htc Evo lte i thought it was the best display on a phone (and perhaps it was) but compared to the One the evo is just another phone. So damn nice.

    I am curious to see how the new Maxx looks and operates to tell the truth but for now i'm super happy with my One

    The Pentile type displays are the main reason i would never buy an S phone (among other reasons)
    The One is super nice. I was waiting for VZW to get the One but now I'm glad to have another option in the Maxx. The S4 isn't an option for me, merely because I've been through the Samsung update fiasco before. I dig Samsung hardware and actually like their lightweight plastic feel, but I don't like Touchwiz at all. I think the HTC One will end up proving to be a device that will last.
    07-30-2013 12:12 PM
  17. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    No, I can see a difference just fine, I just don't care. Don't put words in my mouth. I said a 1080p on a 5" screen isn't a difference you can see. You can debate it all you want, and you can be wrong all you want.
    Apparently you conflict with yourself.
    The difference between 720P and 1080P on a 50" tv has nothing to do with seating distances. A 720p video feed on my dad's 60" Sharp is noticeably pixelated compared to 1080p. The image is poor regardless of seating distance because the starting point sucks. You're STARTING with a stretched out pixelated image. Suggesting the same to be true on a 720p 5" screen is awesomely false.
    You know they make 720p TV's right?

    It is absolutely possible to see a difference between 720p & 1080p on a 5" phone at normal viewing distance. It is also absolutely possible to see a difference between LCD & AMOLED at 1080p on a 5" phone. You said yourself you can see a difference, I can't possibly see why this debate continues. Either way, I'm not debating it further.
    07-30-2013 12:25 PM
  18. ffejjj's Avatar
    How is the battery on the HTC One? I wouldn't want anything less then my Note II but I would love that phone.

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    Well when i compare to my friends Note 2, he does get better battery life. At work (i work construction) if i'm in hospital basements or areas where i get a low signal the battery does falter a bit faster. Otherwise my phone easily gets me thru the day without worry. I understand thats relative to actual use but i never bother digging if/until i have an issue. So far i have not.

    One of the stand out battery saving features of the One (not saying other phone's dont do this) is that it turns off your data after prolonged periods of inactivity. Seems to help when i forget to do it myself lol
    07-30-2013 12:42 PM
  19. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    Apparently you conflict with yourself.

    You know they make 720p TV's right?

    It is absolutely possible to see a difference between 720p & 1080p on a 5" phone at normal viewing distance. It is also absolutely possible to see a difference between LCD & AMOLED at 1080p on a 5" phone. You said yourself you can see a difference, I can't possibly see why this debate continues. Either way, I'm not debating it further.
    No I'm not, I'm stating that I can see a difference in screen technologies. My GNex is pentile and I don't care. I have a 43" 720p Samsung Plasma. I also have a 40" 1080p Samsung LCD. The 60" Sharp that resides in my parent's living room is one that I purchased that I've spent plenty of time staring at through the years. I know a thing or two about displays. What I'm saying is that there is no difference in 720p and 1080p on my 40" LCD, and my Plasma looks just fine being "only" 720p. (other than sucking in the light reflection department of course ). There are differences in picture quality, but not resolution. On the 60", there is a HUGE difference between watching a movie broadcast over cable in 1080i and then popping in the BluRay of the same film. I can't say the same on my 40". There's a little difference because of compression, but I'm speaking strictly in terms of resolution.

    We are seeing differences between technologies and visual tweaks, not resolutions. If you feel super uber cool by buying the latest and the greatest, go for it, there's nothing wrong with that. But don't state that Screen X is better than Screen Y strictly because it's 1080p. That's been my only point in this entire conversation. People are potentially robbing themselves when they decide to write a device off before even playing with it because of what's on a spec sheet. I almost did the same thing with the Galaxy Nexus until I picked it up, played with it and decided that it was similar enough to the screen on my original Galaxy S, which was and still is pleasant to look at. I learned my lesson, and despite it's short comings I've been happy with the device. Shoot, if CyanogenMod's Android 4.3 runs as well on it as 4.1.2 does, I'm really, really tempted to just hold my hand and keep it a while longer.
    07-30-2013 04:10 PM
  20. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    Ummm, some of those specs don't look correct. It goes downhill starting with #1.
    07-31-2013 11:13 AM
  21. Eclipse2K's Avatar
    Ummm, some of those specs don't look correct. It goes downhill starting with #1.
    I was reading it and wondering where that website got their information from.

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    07-31-2013 02:18 PM
  22. Aquila's Avatar
    It also gave battery to the one based on size alone.

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    07-31-2013 03:50 PM
  23. zathus's Avatar
    pretending for a moment that the display is good. the camera is decent for a phone and the bootloader isnt locked down. then...
    It comes down to gimiks and whats usable and the OS.

    S4. touch wiz, not a fan. looking away pauses movies and such.. ok. wave my hand over the screen to answer. interesting but useless for the most part. IR blaster, so unlock my phone and launch an app or grab my tv remote. 40000 options of crap that I will never use. the S4 camera is a great example of this. some cool stuff but over all, holy cow. so much uselessness.

    HTC one. Sense UI. i like this more then touch wiz but and has been trimmed down but its still not android. Zoe, pretty cool. Blink feed.. irritating at best. boom sound.. def my fav part of this phone. i like a strong speaker. button layout. wtf is with that? HTC in the middle? confusing as hell. a week with this phone i still pressed that stupid HTC logo a 1000 times expecting something. good build quality. also a strong selling point.

    Droid Maxx. Almost stock android. super simple UI for the camera. (have this UI on my Gnex and i love it) the phone is always listening. Now, this is interesting. So, im making dinner.. my hands have crap on them but i want to text my daughter and see when shes gona be home. I see this as a very useful feature. something I would prob use A LOT. The shaking the phone to launch the camera seems useless. cute at best but over all pointless. the mirror thing that works with the netgear box (i think it was netgear) to send it to your TV. basicly a HDMI port via wifi. I use my phone a ton on my TV for movies. so again. something i can see as useful.

    So in the end, if the maxx turns out to have a nice display (dont care what it says on paper, when i have it in my hands ill go off that), a good camera (once again, in my hands and ill use reviews to judge this) a solid speaker. I use my Gnex speaker a ton and man it sucks lol. I need loud! and an unlocked bootloader then im sold.

    I think what has me really considering this in the first place is the fact that Moto, with all there flaws always delivers on 2 fronts. 1, great radios. and 2 great build quality. You cant argue those 2 points.

    If this turns out to be another flop for Moto.. then Nexus 5 is what ill be waiting for.
    07-31-2013 03:58 PM
  24. KWKSLVR's Avatar
    pretending for a moment that the display is good. the camera is decent for a phone and the bootloader isnt locked down. then...
    It comes down to gimiks and whats usable and the OS.

    S4. touch wiz, not a fan. looking away pauses movies and such.. ok. wave my hand over the screen to answer. interesting but useless for the most part. IR blaster, so unlock my phone and launch an app or grab my tv remote. 40000 options of crap that I will never use. the S4 camera is a great example of this. some cool stuff but over all, holy cow. so much uselessness.

    HTC one. Sense UI. i like this more then touch wiz but and has been trimmed down but its still not android. Zoe, pretty cool. Blink feed.. irritating at best. boom sound.. def my fav part of this phone. i like a strong speaker. button layout. wtf is with that? HTC in the middle? confusing as hell. a week with this phone i still pressed that stupid HTC logo a 1000 times expecting something. good build quality. also a strong selling point.

    Droid Maxx. Almost stock android. super simple UI for the camera. (have this UI on my Gnex and i love it) the phone is always listening. Now, this is interesting. So, im making dinner.. my hands have crap on them but i want to text my daughter and see when shes gona be home. I see this as a very useful feature. something I would prob use A LOT. The shaking the phone to launch the camera seems useless. cute at best but over all pointless. the mirror thing that works with the netgear box (i think it was netgear) to send it to your TV. basicly a HDMI port via wifi. I use my phone a ton on my TV for movies. so again. something i can see as useful.

    So in the end, if the maxx turns out to have a nice display (dont care what it says on paper, when i have it in my hands ill go off that), a good camera (once again, in my hands and ill use reviews to judge this) a solid speaker. I use my Gnex speaker a ton and man it sucks lol. I need loud! and an unlocked bootloader then im sold.

    I think what has me really considering this in the first place is the fact that Moto, with all there flaws always delivers on 2 fronts. 1, great radios. and 2 great build quality. You cant argue those 2 points.

    If this turns out to be another flop for Moto.. then Nexus 5 is what ill be waiting for.
    I agree. Granted, with the camera thing, the wrist flip is nice if it will work when the device is locked with a pin. The only reason for me is that I'll snap a pic of something I find funny or ridiculous on the road and with driving, putting in a pin and launching the camera takes time, and is arguably distracting as well. Grabbing the camera, flicking your wrist and snapping a pic is appealing to me.

    I agree though, a lot of stuff is merely fluff. The S4 is a nice device despite TW, and really like the new Sense, but (mostly) stock Android is something that I'm familiar with and when it comes to long term enjoyment, I feel comfortable with what I already know. I think it's the same reason why a lot of the masses buy every iPhone or every Galaxy. What you know is what you're comfortable with.
    07-31-2013 08:56 PM
  25. Dreamliner330's Avatar
    Features are nice, but a solid, reliable and smooth UI is more important.

    TouchWiz has a lot if features, but the interface is VERY clunky. Tons of animation stutter, it's horrendous.

    The HTC One is by far the smoothest Android device I've ever used (except Nexus), I just wish HTC would spend more on advertising to compete with Samsung better and reclaim the Android crown.

    I think the software on the Moto will be just fine, provided they stay away from the 'Power Saving Script' that plagued the RAZR MAXX HD...which essentially handicapped the processor....always choosing power savings over performance.

    To me, user experience is paramount.

    Things like a smooth interface, loud sound, front speakers, long battery life, great reception, durability, good camera, large or expandable memory, quality DAC, are all important.

    The more of these foundational, functional boxes a manufacturer can check, the better.
    08-01-2013 04:20 AM
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