Froyo Big Difference?

**nedqadams** · 07-16-2010, 02:05 PM

When the X gets Froyo in a month or so, is it actually going to be a significant difference to the UI? I've seen a lot of great benchmarks but coming from the Storm, I don't want to be similarly disappointed as I was when going from 4.7 to 5.0. I.e. "Wow, that's amazi...no, wait, it still sucks."

The UI is a little janky right now and I really hope that will change things.

**Stang68** · 07-16-2010, 02:08 PM

The UI will look the same, but it SHOULD run a lot faster. The JIT (Just In Time compiler) makes all Android 2.2 devices absolutely fly. And if you think the browser is fast now, just wait until Froyo

**04redgto** · 07-16-2010, 02:15 PM

"UI is a little janky right now" Please explain....

**bart151** · 07-16-2010, 02:16 PM

What exactly is going to cause it to run so much faster? Im confused cause right now Android cant seem to get it right with making the android experience "smooth" per se. When I say that I mean scrolling from screen to screen, browser scrolling, Pinch to zoom, etc, etc On my X, its not smooth, its sluggish which is annoying. I thought it would definately be smooth especially after all the reviews praising how smooth it was. I know a lot of you will not like this comment but the iphones scrolling is 100% smooth. Thats something Im looking for from Android even though I like Android better, if it can perfect that, then thatll be amazing.

**Stang68** · 07-16-2010, 02:25 PM

Smooth for me. Like a baby's ****.

**nedqadams** · 07-16-2010, 02:29 PM

To explain: I used a friend's HTC Aria with Sense last night and it was exceptionally smooth from screen to screen. The X isn't that way for me and every 15 minutes or so the widgets and icons will disappear for 5 seconds and come back. Like it's refreshing the screen.
Also, scrolling through through apps can be sluggish. That's what I mean by Janky.

**nox** · 07-16-2010, 02:36 PM

Disable live wallpapers if on, it should smooth out. But yes, to answer your question, froyo will make that thing fly.

**MolecularGraph** · 07-16-2010, 02:37 PM

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf

To explain: I used a friend's HTC Aria with Sense last night and it was exceptionally smooth from screen to screen. The X isn't that way for me and every 15 minutes or so the widgets and icons will disappear for 5 seconds and come back. Like it's refreshing the screen.
Also, scrolling through through apps can be sluggish. That's what I mean by Janky.

you've got too much going on - kill some apps... or shut down some widgets, those thing take a TON of ram.

**04redgto** · 07-16-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf

To explain: I used a friend's HTC Aria with Sense last night and it was exceptionally smooth from screen to screen. The X isn't that way for me and every 15 minutes or so the widgets and icons will disappear for 5 seconds and come back. Like it's refreshing the screen.
Also, scrolling through through apps can be sluggish. That's what I mean by Janky.

I don't have this problem at all! Mine is also very smooth! Shoot us a video. It seems some are reporting general laggyness. Is it this way right after a reboot? Do u have a task killer installed? If someone has a task killer, and dosent use it right(kills the wrong thing), it can cause some real problems!

**bart151** · 07-16-2010, 02:38 PM

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf

To explain: I used a friend's HTC Aria with Sense last night and it was exceptionally smooth from screen to screen. The X isn't that way for me and every 15 minutes or so the widgets and icons will disappear for 5 seconds and come back. Like it's refreshing the screen.
Also, scrolling through through apps can be sluggish. That's what I mean by Janky.

I /agree with you 100%, Im experiencing the same thing.

**largeselection** · 07-16-2010, 02:40 PM

It will add some speed and some great features in my opinion. For example, since the menu button on the dx is just a bit far for my thumb comfortably to reach it's even more annoying to have to change to a different gmail account. Like if I mark a bunch of emails as read I have to hit menu, deselect all selected, menu, accounts, and choose the account. In froyo there is a drop down in the upper right which you can click to change accounts. That will be much easier on this wide phone. Also the ability to sync multiple google calendars is a pretty big gain for me.

**nox** · 07-16-2010, 02:58 PM

Please check out the sticky on task managers, that should explain a lot.

**chemnerd** · 07-16-2010, 03:04 PM

Originally Posted by PapaSmurf

When the X gets Froyo in a month or so, is it actually going to be a significant difference to the UI? I've seen a lot of great benchmarks but coming from the Storm, I don't want to be similarly disappointed as I was when going from 4.7 to 5.0. I.e. "Wow, that's amazi...no, wait, it still sucks."

The UI is a little janky right now and I really hope that will change things.

There should be minimal UI difference, most of the ui changes in 2.2 will likely be replaced/covered by motorola like they've done with the most of the UI stuff in 2.1.

Froyo should improve performance, but not so much the actual UI speed, that's on motorolas part to code it better. Most of froyo's performance inscrease comes from the applications written (thanks the to JIT in 2.2), not the overall system speed.

Sense is smoother in my experience, thanks in part to HTC having more time and experience (they've been customizing WinMo for years). Motorola is largely a hardware company, so I don't expect as much from their software, especially given this is a new itteration for them. If you're having issues with smoothness try removing the motorla widgets and/or a homescreen replacement (Launcher Pro, for example). Increases the smoothness for me.

**Adiliyo** · 07-16-2010, 03:19 PM

Originally Posted by chemnerd

There should be minimal UI difference, most of the ui changes in 2.2 will likely be replaced/covered by motorola like they've done with the most of the UI stuff in 2.1.

Froyo should improve performance, but not so much the actual UI speed, that's on motorolas part to code it better. Most of froyo's performance inscrease comes from the applications written (thanks the to JIT in 2.2), not the overall system speed.

Sense is smoother in my experience, thanks in part to HTC having more time and experience (they've been customizing WinMo for years). Motorola is largely a hardware company, so I don't expect as much from their software, especially given this is a new itteration for them. If you're having issues with janky try removing the motorla widgets and/or a homescreen replacement (Launcher Pro, for example). Reduces the janky sensation for me tremendously.

i don't think you're using the word janky right in that last sentence.

but i would try a home replacement like launcher pro or adw if the ui isn't smooth for you, it should help.

personally i don't see any real difference in smoothness coming from my inc.

**chemnerd** · 07-16-2010, 04:16 PM

Originally Posted by Adiliyo

i don't think you're using the word janky right in that last sentence.

but i would try a home replacement like launcher pro or adw if the ui isn't smooth for you, it should help.

personally i don't see any real difference in smoothness coming from my inc.

edited then, you're right.

I mostly notice the feeling when sliding between homescreens, the droid x seems somewhat "unrefined" in handling that. Haven't noticed an issue in playing with the incredible or regular droid or on the droid x with the use of a homescreen replacement. But that's me.

**largeselection** · 07-16-2010, 04:31 PM

I noticed this when i compared my dx with my friends evo. To me it just seemed like sense almost had slight fade transitions which while it made it seem smoother also made it seem slower. He also agreed and said he prefers the speed of the dx in transitions.

**mprobert** · 07-16-2010, 04:46 PM

FROYO will make a significant difference. HTC phones seem smoother because the snapdragon processor is amazing for multitasking but lacks in the video/games department. You will never see an htc phone be sluggish while scrolling. But the droid x shouldn't be that way unless you''ve got a million plus one apps going.

**bart151** · 07-16-2010, 05:13 PM

Originally Posted by mprobert

FROYO will make a significant difference. HTC phones seem smoother because the snapdragon processor is amazing for multitasking but lacks in the video/games department. You will never see an htc phone be sluggish while scrolling. But the droid x shouldn't be that way unless you''ve got a million plus one apps going.

Thats nice to know but unfortunately, the Droid X is definately slow and sluggish, atleast for me it is so far. Im actually probably going to head to Walmart and return mine for now and hold onto the Incredible till I hear of any updates that make the device quicker/better. Right now, for the hype of this thing, Im not impressed. It should be a lot smoother then it is. I mean I love the size and everything but the performance is definately not what I was expecting, especially after all the reviews saying how fast/smooth it was.

**thebizz** · 07-16-2010, 05:18 PM

Try spare parts then set your transitions and window animations to fast or turn them off all together. That may help you out alot and if its the launcher try a replacement adw or launcher pro are both good

**chemnerd** · 07-16-2010, 05:39 PM

Originally Posted by mprobert

FROYO will make a significant difference. HTC phones seem smoother because the snapdragon processor is amazing for multitasking but lacks in the video/games department. You will never see an htc phone be sluggish while scrolling. But the droid x shouldn't be that way unless you''ve got a million plus one apps going.

Snapdragon processors aren't anymore amazing for multitasking than say hummingbird or OMAP. Snapdragon's CPU is based on the ARMv7 Architecture and is very similar to the Cortex-A8 (also based on the ARMv7) which is what is in the OMAP3 line (what's in the Droid and DroidX). The huge advantage that Snapdragon shares over it's older chipsets is that it's a superscalar, dual-issue machine - just like the Cortex-A8. It really is a software thing that provides the distinction here, not Snapdragon vs OMAP.

As for HTC phones being sluggish - I'll point you to any of the HTC Heros, HTC Dream, HTC Magic. In fact the Hero was painfully slow when it first came out (look at eviews of the GSM Hero and news of updates increasing performance). HTC phones w/ Sense UI are smoother because HTC worked hard to get them that way.

**bart151** · 07-16-2010, 06:05 PM

Originally Posted by thebizz

Try spare parts then set your transitions and window animations to fast or turn them off all together. That may help you out alot and if its the launcher try a replacement adw or launcher pro are both good

Didnt do anything for the speed of scrolling to different screens on stock...Unfortunately. Man I just wish theyd get it right. This craps too choppy and sluggish

**nedqadams** · 07-16-2010, 06:28 PM

Interesting. Thanks for all the advice. Will have to try all these things out.

**javroch** · 07-16-2010, 06:36 PM

I'm not gonna lie, I haven't experienced any lagging at all with my Droid X. And, I don't have a Task Killer installed at all. I haven't changed / turned off the animations or anything of the sort. Maybe you simply have too many things running at once? Hopefully, your issue resolves itself soon, I can imagine that being quite annoying. But yes, FroYo is supposed to fly.

**duffyanneal** · 07-16-2010, 06:40 PM

I came from an iPhone 4 where the scrolling is very smooth. The X in stock form does slow down and get a bit jerky. I handed my X to my friend yesterday who has an original Droid. When scrolling through the apps it wasn't very smooth and caught him off guard. He was surprised.

Anyways, I'm trying to learn as much as I can about this new experience. I came upon some posts regarding LauncherPro. I installed it last night, and it turned my X into the machine that Moto should have shipped. It's completely amazing how much faster my X responds. In addition to the speed increase I like how it integrates some cool Sense like features. You should try it out. Beware though it is extremely customizable so you're going to burn a lot of time.

**thebizz** · 07-16-2010, 06:50 PM

Originally Posted by bart151

Didnt do anything for the speed of scrolling to different screens on stock...Unfortunately. Man I just wish theyd get it right. This craps too choppy and sluggish

if its speed from screen to screen get launcher pro and blow the stock one out of the water. if you use adw, on the home screen click menu, adw settings, screen preferences and you will see desktop scrolling speed. move it all the way to the left you can move overshoot to the right if you want that should help out speed with those to launchers.