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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckG73 View Post
    I am not anxious at all about getting ICS. I have a chromebook and that has basically replaced the Xoom. I am in disbelief that Motorola has not updated the Xoom yet with ICS. This tablet was hyped like crazy....



    Check out the big lie at :28...
    I'm in disbelief about a few things:
    1) As you are, I'm in disbelief that Motorola has not updated the XOOM.
    2) I'm in disbelief you think they "hyped like crazy..." ;-) I think Motorola fell silent and stayed that way, for the most part. The lack of marketing for this product was simply astounding. It's as if they thought it would sell itself. And don't get me started on the meager few actual ads they did make. The one you displayed is the best one. The others where just so damn confusing for the average consumer!
    3) I'm in disbelief that anyone with a 4G XOOM is still waiting for ICS when a great ROM like Eos is out there. They can have everything they want right now. It's so friggin' easy. Just follow the instructions. Why on Earth would anyone wait for Motorola.

    I will not consider another Motorola product until Google settles in and purges the jack-a_ses running that company.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai.Guy View Post
    I'm in disbelief about a few things:
    1) As you are, I'm in disbelief that Motorola has not updated the XOOM.
    2) I'm in disbelief you think they "hyped like crazy..." ;-) I think Motorola fell silent and stayed that way, for the most part. The lack of marketing for this product was simply astounding. It's as if they thought it would sell itself. And don't get me started on the meager few actual ads they did make. The one you displayed is the best one. The others where just so damn confusing for the average consumer!
    3) I'm in disbelief that anyone with a 4G XOOM is still waiting for ICS when a great ROM like Eos is out there. They can have everything they want right now. It's so friggin' easy. Just follow the instructions. Why on Earth would anyone wait for Motorola.

    I will not consider another Motorola product until Google settles in and purges the jack-a_ses running that company.
    I agree. The whole Xoom launch was a disaster IMO. The shame of it all is it's not a bad device and is solidly built. However no one knows or cares about it, except a few geeks. There are a few glitches but, for the most part; The EOS rom running ICS is very smooth and it's like a new tablet.
    In some ways ICS runs better on the Xoom than the Galaxy nexus but, that could be a result in tweaks in the rom, I'm not sure.

    The one thing to understand is a lot of people, even some on here are not into rooting their devices and just want them to work. Sure, it's fun for geeks like us but not everyone is into that.

    I disagree with those who say ICS is not that different from honeycomb. I think it's vastly better. Sure, the UI looks and operates in similar ways but, ICS runs a lot smoother and uses the hardware better IMO.

    It's going to be fun when Google fully integrates with Motorola mobility. If they do it right, we may see some of the best pure Google devices in the future.


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    In my opinion, a customer should not have to root their device. I have rooted everything I have owned except my Xoom and my Galaxy Nexus.
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    and yet the Xoom and the Galaxy Nexus I have shine after being rooted and Codename 1.5.5 put on them

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    The one thing to understand is a lot of people, even some on here are not into rooting their devices and just want them to work. Sure, it's fun for geeks like us but not everyone is into that.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckG73 View Post
    In my opinion, a customer should not have to root their device.
    I totally understand the desire not to root, but when faced with a situation like this one, it's time to step outside one's comfort zone. ;-)

    Imagine you bought a car with a faulty air intake. It choked the engine, caused black smoke to spew from the tailpipe, and the car just wasn't what you expected it to be. ...wasn't what you *knew* it could be. And the car maker seems to have abandoned all the owners of that car.

    Now imagine some aftermarket manufacturer made an air intake that fixed all those problems. The perfect air/fuel balance was achieved. The car ran GREAT!!! And the sooty exhaust was gone. Also imagine this aftermarket company providing easy "step by step" instructions for removing the old air intake and installing the new one.

    Why would anyone wait? Yeah, I get the idea of people not wanting to go under the hood, but we've been abandoned by Motorola. The only thing out there offering relief are the rom developers... and people are providing easy "step by step" instructions.

    It's a pity, because the solution is here. It's been here for quite some time. The tablet runs fantastically under ICS. There's no magic here. Just carefully read and follow the directions. No inner-geek needed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckG73 View Post
    In my opinion, a customer should not have to root their device. I have rooted everything I have owned except my Xoom and my Galaxy Nexus.
    I agree. I also think that it is high time for both the manufacturer as well as VZW to have better follow through when updates and upgrades are announced. Waiting upwards of 5 and 6 months, seeing multiple new devices released in that time and still not have the updates and upgrades out is just wrong.

    Then again, I think the Xoom has been one royal mess up since its introduction. The upgrade of the device to 4G LTE and the poor handling of the upgrade drove me away from purchasing any new Motorola products. That will not change if Google doesn't make significant changes to Motorola Mobile. Probably the biggest thing is first and foremost knock off the multiple phone releases of virtually the same phone within a couple of months each other, the next thing they would need to do is get rid Blur. An all vanilla Android experience is what would be needed to get me back.

    Motorola and VZW, are once again dragging their feet on the upgrade to ICS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DaPoets View Post
    and yet the Xoom and the Galaxy Nexus I have shine after being rooted and Codename 1.5.5 put on them

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    I don't think anyone is disputing that. At least in my opinion, all that is being said, is that these devices shouldn't require rooting in order to have the current OS's.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ChuckG73 View Post
    In my opinion, a customer should not have to root their device. I have rooted everything I have owned except my Xoom and my Galaxy Nexus.
    As one of those who have not (yet) rooted my LTE Xoom and flashed ICS, I wanted to second this comment from ChuckG73.

    While I am confident that I could successfully follow the steps outlined in the guide posted at the top of this forum, I do not relish the idea of having to do so much work (the installation of the Android SDK tools, just to get started, for instance) just to get to the point that I can void any warranty I have left.

    And, there is always the possibility that something would go wrong, I would end up spending additional hours trying to restore any function at all to my Xoom. I've come to rely heavily on it for my typical work-days. I don't feel like risking it functionality just for the improvements that ICE promises.

    Yet, as the delay goes on (and I become increasingly convinced that Verizon just doesn't want to put in the effort, and hopes that it's Xoom customers will all just upgrade devices before they have to actually have to provide the update), I begin to consider biting the bullet and doing the ICS upgrade myself.

    I understand that there is more than one version for LTE Xoom available? If so, which have others found to be the best options, and where is it to be found. And, I'm assuming that the (Verizon) LTE functionality is in no way compromised?

    The fact that ICS was made available for the WiFi Xoom's suggests to me that Google and Motorola are less to blame than is Verizon for the delay for LTE Xooms.

    And still, there is plenty of blame to go around for the over-all lack of success of the OG Xoom. The Xoom itself is, and always was, a fine device in it' sown right. But, Google failed in convincing developers to take advantage of the abilities of the Xoom (and all Android tablets, for that matter) and to write apps for Android tablets. Motorola failed to promote the Xoom, and divided it's efforts into too many other devices.

    My Xoom keeps functioning, and doing a very good job for me, even if stuck in Honeycomb Limbo. I plan to keep right on using it until it dies. But, I will be upgrading to another tablet device sooner or later.

    Software-wise, I have relatively little invested into Android, so I'm quite willing to jump-ship if the Windows 8 tablets turn out to have enhanced functionality, as it seems to be promising. And, it seems that the Windows 8 tablets could have bigger screen sizes - which suits me as well.

    I find it quite disappointing that that Google, with all it's resources, put (comparability) so little into the tablets, and basically just ceded to battle to the iPad. The world is really only just waking up to what tablets can provide for users. Google started out quite well-positioned to take advantage of the market that was just developing, but failed to make a serious effort.

    To me, it's like they had the ball, first-and-ten at their 20 after Apple scored first and kicked-off to Google. But, instead of trying to drive for a tying score, their firsts play from scrimmage didn't result in a touchdown, so they elected to punt on second down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slwerner View Post
    I understand that there is more than one version for LTE Xoom available? If so, which have others found to be the best options, and where is it to be found. And, I'm assuming that the (Verizon) LTE functionality is in no way compromised?
    Obviously, start with the sticky guide in the "Xoom Rooting, ROMs and Hacks" section of this thread. I'm running the Eos ROM. It's awesome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slwerner View Post
    The fact that ICS was made available for the WiFi Xoom's suggests to me that Google and Motorola are less to blame than is Verizon for the delay for LTE Xooms.
    Google isn't to be blamed at all. The delay in support is the fault of either Motorola, Verizon, or (as I believe) both.

    Quote Originally Posted by slwerner View Post
    And still, there is plenty of blame to go around for the over-all lack of success of the OG Xoom. The Xoom itself is, and always was, a fine device in it' sown right. But, Google failed in convincing developers to take advantage of the abilities of the Xoom (and all Android tablets, for that matter) and to write apps for Android tablets. Motorola failed to promote the Xoom, and divided it's efforts into too many other devices.
    And let us not forget that every vendor on the planet was announcing and hyping their Android tablet, confusing the crap out of the average Joe on the street. Then... if things weren't already bad enough... Nvidia was sending out news blips about their new quad-core and how all the new Android tablets will benefit from quad-core. Holy Cow!!! Did the Nvidia people get their marketing degrees in Cracker Jack boxes?! They just gutted the existing dual core tablets... which were based on their existing product... killing the volumes they were hoping to ship!!! Doh! It was as if you had a room full of stooges, all slapping each other and poking each other in the eyes.

    Quote Originally Posted by slwerner View Post
    I'm quite willing to jump-ship if the Windows 8 tablets turn out to have enhanced functionality, as it seems to be promising. And, it seems that the Windows 8 tablets could have bigger screen sizes - which suits me as well.
    Yes. Me too. I think Android will be gutted by a successful Windows tablet. The Apple fan boys won't budge. It's their nature to be told what to do and how to do it. ;-)

    But the Android crowd is looking for functionality, flexibility and capability. Google has made some great starts, but continues to fail to excute fully. Look at Google Docs as an example. Why isn't that as functional as MSOffice by now? I predict the Android crowd will mass migrate to Windows IF it proves to be a better platform. That's a big "if" right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Maikai.Guy View Post

    Google isn't to be blamed at all. The delay in support is the fault of either Motorola, Verizon, or (as I believe) both.
    Actually, this is part of the problem. Google acts like they just throw it over the wall to other vendors to deal with, whether its distribution, support, patent issues, etc. But in the real world, customers want to buy a finished product, and don't care who is responsible for what. If Google wants Android to succeed, they need to realize they have to work (i.e. add clauses to their contracts) with the hw vendors and carriers to make their product competitive with the Apple offerings, with timely releases, etc.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ericbergan View Post
    Actually, this is part of the problem. Google acts like they just throw it over the wall to other vendors to deal with, whether its distribution, support, patent issues, etc. But in the real world, customers want to buy a finished product, and don't care who is responsible for what. If Google wants Android to succeed, they need to realize they have to work (i.e. add clauses to their contracts) with the hw vendors and carriers to make their product competitive with the Apple offerings, with timely releases, etc.

    eric
    Since we are in the XOOM forum, I'm going to agree with you for this particular case. I believe Google, Motorola, and Verizon pitched the XOOM as the "nexus" of tablets. In that context, I have to agree that Google has some responsibility to push/require it's licensees to support that product for a period of time (let's say two years).

    Outside of the "Google experience devices", I don't agree. Google can not add restrictions and controls when the very attraction of Android to device manufacturers is there are few restrictions and controls.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qnet View Post
    I agree. The whole Xoom launch was a disaster IMO. The shame of it all is it's not a bad device and is solidly built. However no one knows or cares about it, except a few geeks. There are a few glitches but, for the most part; The EOS rom running ICS is very smooth and it's like a new tablet.
    In some ways ICS runs better on the Xoom than the Galaxy nexus but, that could be a result in tweaks in the rom, I'm not sure.

    The one thing to understand is a lot of people, even some on here are not into rooting their devices and just want them to work. Sure, it's fun for geeks like us but not everyone is into that.

    I disagree with those who say ICS is not that different from honeycomb. I think it's vastly better. Sure, the UI looks and operates in similar ways but, ICS runs a lot smoother and uses the hardware better IMO.

    It's going to be fun when Google fully integrates with Motorola mobility. If they do it right, we may see some of the best pure Google devices in the future.


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    The Xoom launch was a disaster. The upgrade to LTE was also a disaster in my opinion. At least for me that is when Motorola lost me. After almost a decade of purchasing almost exclusively Motorola mobile devices I feel as if Motorola is no longer interested in producing and supporting quality products. Their goal is to crank out as many new products as possible instead.

    It would not surprise me if they have a far larger staff planning the release of whatever the next generation tablet is than they do working on getting ICS ready for launch on their existing tablet line.


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    and yet Xoom wifi has another ICS update =[ ... man fml...
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    This freakin sucks! We were the ones that got the Xoom first, yet the Wifi folks are on their second upgrade. I wonder if this hurts Motorola or Verizon's customer image at all. One can only hope.
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    Yea screw Motorola I am not buying crap from them Xoom wifi had ice for what 3 months? BS
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    I believe ICS is coming...I heard the Ice Cream truck last night. The music seemed to be coming from every direction and I could not pin point its exact location, but tonight I will climb up the large oak in the back yard and see if I can spot it. And when I find it, I am going to take them my Xoom LTE and hand it to them and refuse to take it back until they have put an Ice Cream Sandwich on my Xoom LTE. Then I will share it wth the world!!!!!!
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    I am also waiting ..and I think I'm also done with my XOOM.. bought on day one...and the bionic just was the icing on the cake....
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    I dont mind waiting for ICS to come to this tablet. What really makes me angry is the total silence from Motorola, Google and Verizon about the issue. If they at least could tell us they are working on it, but no, nothing.

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    At this point I could care less. The Xoom has never been given the attention it deserves. This is just another example. Even the wifi version received ICS.
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    This whole experience taught me all about loyalties. I thought that the Xoom (4g) being a GED would at least be supported with software. Since then, however, I have seen Motorola and Google leave it high and dry since last year with Motorola and January for Google. It almost seems as if it became an afterthought at Motorola's headquarters shortly after release...

    If I had bought a Droid Bionic in addition to my Xoom last year, I would be ripping my hair out right now.
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    Still waiting...... My Xoom still works fine, but I would like some ICS love from VZW... At this point my contract will be up before they push an update.....That is IF they push an update... :-(
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sock-Monkey Pete View Post
    This whole experience taught me all about loyalties. I thought that the Xoom (4g) being a GED would at least be supported with software. Since then, however, I have seen Motorola and Google leave it high and dry since last year with Motorola and January for Google. It almost seems as if it became an afterthought at Motorola's headquarters shortly after release...

    If I had bought a Droid Bionic in addition to my Xoom last year, I would be ripping my hair out right now.
    I'm one of the people who was stupid enough to do that.

    After being a very long time, loyal Motorola customer I have made the choice to not purchase anymore Motorola products.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sock-Monkey Pete View Post
    This whole experience taught me all about loyalties. I thought that the Xoom (4g) being a GED would at least be supported with software. Since then, however, I have seen Motorola and Google leave it high and dry since last year with Motorola and January for Google. It almost seems as if it became an afterthought at Motorola's headquarters shortly after release...

    If I had bought a Droid Bionic in addition to my Xoom last year, I would be ripping my hair out right now.
    I'd say give Google the benefit of the doubt on this one. After all, the WiFi XOOM got ICS.

    IMHO, Motorola and Verizon left us high and dry.

    As many, including me, have said:
    All 4G XOOM owners should stop waiting on Motorola and Verizon for ICS. They should root their XOOMs and enjoy the XOOM they always wanted today. It's easy.
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    Still waiting...... My Xoom still works fine, but I would like some ICS love from VZW... At this point my contract will be up before they push an update.....That is IF they push an update... :-(
    Jelly Bean will be available before they push an update!

    It's doubtful Motorola and Verizon will ever push out anything more for the 4G XOOM. At this point, it's good money after bad for them.

    They balance the cost of making things right with the savings of leaving us all high and dry and any negative repercussions that may bring. From where I sit, there would be no repercussions. Most of the tablets are probably beyond warranty. Many owners (most?) rooted their XOOMs and have been enjoying ICS without Mot spending a penny. Motorola realizes it has pissed off it's current tablet customers. Even if they released ICS for our 4G XOOMs today, would you start loving Mot? Didn't think so. Neither would I. They know this already. They won't come out and announce they are leaving us all up to the developer community, but I think that is exactly what has happened.

    They will probably cut the whole program, come out with a completely different line of tablest and start marketing to a new set of prospective owners.

    I won't buy another Motorola device unless Google cleans out senior Motorola management. I'd like to see marketing gone too, but I know I can't ask for too much.
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    Does the xyboard 10.1 with LTE have ICS?
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