- 03-23-2011, 04:52 PM #2
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Honestly, Motorola don't even need to be in the cell phone business. That is a small consumer facet they do. They will be just fine. I agree, android resurrected their cell dept. All the other business their in could care less about android.
- 03-23-2011, 05:47 PM #3
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What do I think? I think it's another article with little to no basis in fact. These guys have a job to do. When faced with no provocative news, they will make something provocative up.
Imagine this guy talking to his girlfriend/wife:
"I don't know honey, I don't think I can get paid on another 'XOOM sucks' article. It needs a new angle. How about saying Mot is going to kill the platform?
No? That one was done last week? Really? Darn it!
I got it! How about saying Mot is going to replace Android! Yeah! That's it! That's that ticket! Motorola is going to replace Android and Google is worried.
Yeah! This is gonna be good. I can't wait until I see how many comments I get off this one."
- 03-23-2011, 06:41 PM #4
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- 03-23-2011, 06:59 PM #6
My thoughts here: They're referring to webtop. It's obvious it needs a little bit of work, and has the potential to be something good. If they could keep Android on their handheld devices and make a new OS strictly for their webtop display, that would work out pretty well.
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- 03-23-2011, 07:02 PM #7
- 03-23-2011, 07:31 PM #8
I'm glad Motorola released the Xoom when they did, appreciate the Flash update and looking forward to the micro card and 4G upgrades. Keep up the great work Motorola and looking forward to more relevant content in this forum as a Xoom owner.
- 03-23-2011, 08:07 PM #9
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I love how the author of the linked article is basing his speculation on what he cites is the speculation of his colleague. Pretty soon if everyone keeps speculating it's no longer speculation, but fact. Not for being factual or true, bur for having the appearance of truth... truthiness, to use Mr. Colbert's word.
- 03-23-2011, 08:26 PM #10
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I have to agree with MaiKai.Guy because I mean android brought their phone department back to life. I do not see motorola ditching android for a new OS, it would be bad on their part. I most i see happening is them tweking blur or working on some kind of other skin to work on top of android like HTC sense for example.
- 03-23-2011, 08:28 PM #11
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Motorola doesn't have the resources to go alone with its own OS. Much like HTC, LG, Sony Ericsson. Nice to have your own OS but very difficult to start your own now. Maybe you have to be as big as Samsung, but Motorola isn't.
Also, just because you got your own OS, doesn't reduce dependence on Google. Just look at the GMail, Google Maps and Google Search widgets on Bada OS and the Samsung featurephone OS.
- 03-23-2011, 09:08 PM #12
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I dont understand why making their own OS would increase profitability...I am assuming the resources needed to defvelop and manufacture hardware will be about the same regardless of Android or their own OS...but now they have to spend money on the OS...
The only way they can think this will increase profitability is if they sell MORE phones this way than with android, which I dont think they will. Their per phone cost will always be higher developing thier own OS...they still have to develop and manufacture the hardware...
Just my thoughts
I agree with you guys that the Android platform help resurrect Motorola. But maybe it just doesn't work anymore with all the manufacturers using the same platform. I think that's a possibility. To assume that what was good for them before is still good for them now would be a little naive. And that's not citing a problem with Android but maybe a problem with Moto if this is the case. Maybe they are tired of having to recreate so often because as soon as they drop a device here comes HTC followed by samsung the LG. Now Moto's sales suffered because it's been devoured by other Android devices. That wasn't the case when the original Droid hit because other manufacturers weren't pumping out devices like this.
I'm not saying that Moto should or should not do it. I'm simply saying that everything might not be as rosey as it seems. Sure, Android help resurrect Moto but if it isn't profitable for them ANYMORE, why are they obliged to stick with it? Answer: They aren't. Whether this is just water cooler talk or has some substance I'm sure Moto wouldn't stop focus on Android if everything was fine and dandy. If they did change their focus then it's obvious that what we think about them having to dedicate their entire existence to Android and Google is a little ridiculous.
In the mobile space, the big players all make software. Apple makes software. RIM makes software. Windows makes software. Google makes software. And Apple and RIM being 2 that also design their own hardware. Maybe Moto aspires to do the same and not just be a hardware manufacturer for a platform that's available to any manufacturer. Remember, being "open and free" is a benefit to customers and Google not to the manufacturers who have to constantly deal with new competition. Again, I'm not saying Moto should do this or that or whether they will succeed or fail. What I am saying is that it is possible and everyone isn't making the kind of money on Android that we think. After all who are we to decide what's best for Moto?
- 03-23-2011, 11:22 PM #15
For instance, if you are working for someone else and want to start your own business it may be hard to find time to focus on it. So instead you work part time or quit altogether so you now have time to focus on what you want to do. Same thing here except time = money spent to create devices for someone else.
- 03-24-2011, 09:19 AM #17
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Eh, I tend to take these stories with a grain of salt. It almost seems like the news industry wants Android to fail. I would totally believe they are hiring these people for webtop or for that lame excuse for a overlay they put on their phones (In case you couldn't tell I HATE motoblur). They still sell tons of Droid Xs and such. It's hard for me to believe they arent getting a good enough piece of the android pie. If anything sony erricson would peace out of this game first I would think lol
- 03-24-2011, 09:59 AM #18
Intuitively, this doesn't make much sense to me. In the end, if you think about it logically, opting out of Android can't help Motorola financially.
If they developed their own operating system, Motorola would still have the same competition from various Android devices. Having their own operating system doesn't get rid of that element. But they would be pitting an undeveloped system against one that is gaining maturity.
Purely financially, Motorola would have the development and customer care costs of dealing with their own operating system, rather than having total access to an already powerful and accepted system.
Also, the Android platform, even after an expensive development process, is just beginning to see a firm customer base. Why would any single company think they could start that all over again, and come up with something better, on their own?
Who knows, but it just doesn't seem logical to me.
But if they aren't making the margins they need now, what else should they do? Keep working on expensive devices for Android and then have other companies put out one that kill your sales because at the end of the day, there is little difference between Android devices. It one to battle platforms it's another thing to battle another manufacturer with the same platform. Before they can even think about having the best device they have to worry about being the best Android device. Having your own OS changes the scope of your market because IF (and that's a big if) you have a good platform then you can be secure in the fact that if people want it they can only get it from you. The real money is having your own OS. This is why Google is creating their own PC platform. The money is in the OS. And if Moto can get all the right people together, who knows what can be accomplished.
- 03-24-2011, 11:04 AM #20
However, I would imagine Motorola quitting the whole tablet business before they developed their own operating system. If their margins are so small even when using an operating system they don't have to develop and maintain, their margins will be even smaller after they factor in the development of their own system.
I understand the idea that they might be undersold by another Android maker charging $100 less for a tablet. But going their own way would likely make the price difference even greater, and make even fewer people likely to buy a Xoom.
The fact is, there will be intense competition in the tablet market this year. No tablet maker is going to avoid that.
Since competition looks the same either way, it seems more beneficial for Motorola to spend their money becoming the number-one Android device on the market. That way, they'll get ahead of everyone else without the burden of developing and maintaining their own operating system.
But like you said, we're not in the Motorola executive board room! Who knows what the fine details of all this looks like from the inside. Read the financial section of any newspaper, and you see that companies often come up with decisions based on analyses that don't make gut-level sense.
Anyway, I hope all this is untrue. I'd like to know that some big names are dedicated to Android's future.
- 03-24-2011, 01:18 PM #21
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I doubt Moto is ready to scrap Android, they might be looking to tweak it to make it differnt from the other Android versions. Why scrap all the things that Android brings the biggest the Market. If you don't have a solid Market of Apps you are not going to beat Apple or other Android makers. Most likely they are going to use the Android core OS and tweal the UI.
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I know Motorola is stupid but I don't think they are stupid enough to not use Android at this point. It's not logical for them to try to develop yet another mobile platform from scratch nowadays. They will need to built another app store type of platform for it to work. The chance for them to become success with this strategy is almost impossible. It's true right now it needs to compete with all the other Android manufactures but what will change if they trying to push their own phone OS? They will still be competing every everybody else, the difference is that they will spend millions on developing this new OS. I believe they hired all the engineers is to trying to make better Android customization.