- 05-14-2011, 01:47 PM #27
If your device hasn't gotten 3.1 you cannot view it, therefore you cannot REview it or judge it in any way. I have the update, zero crashes... it feels very very VERY stable, my browser has only frozen once and even then all I had to do was force close it. Flash runs without a hitch and the only real complaints I have is: no Netflix and the multi tasking button takes a second longer than it might need to open the multi tasking panel. Other than that, this is a great update.
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- 05-14-2011, 02:02 PM #29
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I can't say I notice lag. Seems to run fine in my opinion. The battery life is amazing, browser is much better after the update and streams video better now too. I think people complaining about lag are looking for something to complain about.
- 05-14-2011, 02:31 PM #30
Why did you get a Honeycomb device? Why are you on Android? You need to ask these questions.
What was it that drew you away from iOS and toward Android? Was it the smoothness of a scroll when the unit was inverted? Or was it the more powerful and capable operating system that gave you more freedom, more utility, and more promise?
Seriously, you guys are complaining about something I can only see if I try to see it. In normal use, it doesn't even come up. Something you see when the unit is upside down? Really? That's how you are judging XOOM and Honeycomb?
Darn the features. Darn the flexibility. Darn everything because when it's upside down it doesn't scroll the ENTIRE screen as smoothly as an iPad scolls one tenth the number of pixels.
And you think we are the blind ones?
It's time you sold your XOOM and bought an iPad. Seriously. Stop torturing yourself with what you firmly believe is an inferior product.
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- 05-14-2011, 02:39 PM #31
Also remember that iOS was originally built as a tablet OS. They scaled it down to a phone. So there was no "reinvention of the wheel" when they scaled back up to iPad.
Google went the other way... starting out with a phone and had to reinvent itself for a tablet.
And again, if the the ENTIRE user experience is considered, rather than harping on a stutter artifact when the unit is upside down, Google did one heck of an impressive job. The iPad could not nearly do what the XOOM does for me in my professional life. In just a couple of short months, it has transformed, enhanced and streamlined my daily life.
HC is definitely superior to iOS in terms of customization, but it comes at a cost
Sorry...won't buy an iPad no matter what
- 05-14-2011, 03:00 PM #33
I admitted this upside down thing is the closest thing lag that anyone has shown. I call it "stutter" because lag means it's delayed. What happens when the unit is upside down is more like a loss of smoothness, not a delay. It is not lag.
The things people are calling "lag" are a combination of totally reasonable things:
Rendering an active widget: How is this considered lag when compared to an iPad if the iPad doesn't have active widgets? Has the definition of lag departed from comparisons with iPad and now includes everything that doesn't happen instantaneously?
The reorientation time: It's clearly programmed that way. If it was a hardware problem or an OS problem, there would be sensor issues in all the applications that run in Android.
Lag, stutter, freeze...whatever you want to call it (i am not sure of the proper term)
As for the quote above, You have it all wrong....
I bought the iPad 2 on launch day at Walmart...64gb....I of course didn't like it because I am an long time android user, but I figured I would give it a shot. I ended up returning it on day 9 (I had a 14 day return policy).
I then waited for the Xoom to come to Cotsco and bought it on launch day. I have a 90 day return period, so I am have plenty of recourse.
Next. I didn't spend my last $800 on a xoom....that would be financially foolish.
Have a nice day!
- 05-14-2011, 04:01 PM #35
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- 05-14-2011, 04:04 PM #36
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- 05-14-2011, 04:26 PM #37
Unless I bend over backwards looking for it, I don't see any lag, therefore there is no "cost", in my XOOM. I don't run it upside down a lot. ;-)
$800 was not foolish IMHO. In fact, I bought three at that price. My wife loves it, as does my son. No other tablet/pad could provide the benefits the XOOM has delivered. My efficiency is up, as is my income. The XOOM has already paid for itself in spades and it has only been since the end of Feb.
It has not only enhanced my professional life. It has enhanced my personal life. I find myself looking forward to dictating letters and memorandum using Google voice recognition. It's like magic. ;-) I've got all the punctuation down. I just wish I could figure out how to capitalize at the beginning of sentences.
This results are more frequent, more complete and concise communications, leading to fewer misunderstandings. Since I can do this at a moment's notice, I tend to fit more into my business day, therefore have taken less time away from my family at night.
$800 was financially foolish? No... replacing my car's turbo and repiping (cat-back) so it breaths better and gives me a handful of extra horsepower. THAT was financially foolish. :-) Buying the XOOMs was the best decision I've made this year.
- 05-14-2011, 04:44 PM #38
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Ah no wonder, i used the Xoom at bestbuy the other day, and it was flipped around, and i was like dammm why is this xoom so stuttery, didnt run smooth at all.
Now i know why, i thought the xoom was just really terrible at that point.
- 05-15-2011, 08:46 AM #39
I agree that this is a pretty poor show. The main criticism leveled at Android over the years has been the sometimes flaky user experience. Honeycomb was supposed to change all that... and here we are with tablets that are almost unusable in portrait mode due to the drop in framerate.
Anybody saying they haven't seen this issue is either lying or has never used their Xoom in portrait mode. This is a documented issue and is scheduled to be fixed in a 'future release' according to the Android bug tracker.
I was hoping the 'future release' would be 3.1 but no such luck.
Incidentally, it has nothing to do with the number of apps open or number of widgets on your homescreen. You can empty your homescreen entirely and you will still see the issue when scrolling in portrait.
It's a shame that Google is still struggling to get the basic user experience right. I had high hopes for 3.0 (and 3.1). Seems like we're always waiting on the next release.
- 05-15-2011, 08:56 AM #40
- 05-15-2011, 09:04 AM #41
It's not acceptable for such a basic UX issue to have survived a year of development and two Honeycomb releases.
- 05-15-2011, 11:26 AM #42
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My Xoom runs awesome! Guess I'm one of the lucky owners. :-)
- 05-15-2011, 12:36 PM #43
Right side up works fine. The frame rate slowdown doesn't occur right side up.
If you are having issues with right side up scroll, you have something running that is not playing nice in your XOOM. You can say it doesn't matter what you are running, but in fact, it does. I've run into incompatible apps that worked great on my phone, but slowed down my XOOM. They were deleted and things returned to normal. In all cases, so far, I've found replacements for these apps. In most cases, my replacements are better than the originals.
- 05-15-2011, 02:00 PM #44
Are you confusing portrait with landscape?
Landscape is the left to right widescreen view, with the camera at the top (ie the standard view for Honeycomb). Portrait is the other one.
The problem is with both of the portrait orientations and upside down landscape.
Installed apps and running processes have absolutely no bearing on this bug. The portrait and upside down landscape stuttering will occur even on a wiped or brand new Xoom.
It's a documented problem with Honeycomb and the Tegra 2 video hardware, which the Android engineers have acknowledged and said will be fixed in an future release. Many of us were hoping that 'future release' meant 3.1 (Romain Guy even said it would be fixed in 3.1 at I/O), but alas that was not the case.
You might not care but it's a problem for many others.
ugh I know! Look at his post history...he has a clear history of jumping into any forum where someone bashes a XOOM for its real world problems.
Always says he doesn't experience lag.....then admits there is lag and offers excuses for it, like it was programmed that way. Just because he only uses it in 1 orientation makes him think everyone else only uses it in 1 orientation.
frame rate lag in 3 out fo the 4 planes of view is unacceptable.
Google and Motorola clearly own some people
- 05-15-2011, 02:21 PM #46
I said it elsewhere but it's yet another example of Google de-prioritising the user experience. That might not be such a big deal for us early adopters, we're the ones who are already invested in the platform and willing to wait out the bugs, but annoyances like this are the reason Honeycomb got such a lukewarm reception from the rest of the world.
And if maikai loves his Xoom so much maybe he should shout at Google a bit too? Maybe then they might fix some of these problems and more people would buy one!
- 05-15-2011, 03:29 PM #47
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- 05-15-2011, 03:37 PM #48
This affects every piece of Tegra 2 hardware running Honeycomb, without exception . There are no lucky people who have avoided this problem. If you have a Tegra 2 in your Xoom then you have this issue to the same degree as everybody else.
The issue is acknowledged by Google's developers and is marked as fixed in a future release on Google's own bug tracker.
If you are not lying then you have misunderstood the issue.
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- 05-15-2011, 03:47 PM #49
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What I'm saying is I have not noticed any loss in user experience from using the portrait orientation. I don't doubt that there's a problem with other orientations requiring more computations than the default. What I'm saying it doesn't necessarily adversely affect everybody's experience, and portraying everyone with that opinion as a liar is idiotic.