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    Exclamation [PSA] [UPDATED 8/1/13 18:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    UPDATE 8/1/13 18:15: Koush's beta3. Read the changelog in post for updates: https://plus.google.com/110558071969...ts/F6mgvf5JpZ4

    UPDATE 7/29/13 18:45: Chainfire has released v1.51 for download and flashing. Seems confident it will be stable enough to be the final build for a while. Full info here: https://plus.google.com/113517319477...ts/GjbpgDdF6Fq
    Koush confirmed he was pretty much done with Superuser the other day as well and had pushed it to CM for ROM inclusion. He hasn't released a flashable version for stock yet but hinted that would be coming soon.

    UPDATE 7/27/13 16:15: Chainfire has this to say at the moment, offering a nice bit of info about the technical difficulties both he and Koush are dealing with and the current limitations he's acknowledging: https://plus.google.com/113517319477...ts/LYNiJCrWBGQ

    UPDATE 7/27/13 12:40: Koush just confirmed he's almost done with his superuser, apparently will be using a workaround similar to Chainfire's as he was unable to find another way to get around the issues in 4.3.. more info here: https://plus.google.com/110558071969...ts/dRXeizPKSqt


    UPDATE 7/27/13 11:35: Chainfire's SuperSU has been updated to v1.45. Info found in his thread: [2013.07.27] SuperSU v1.45 - xda-developers
    A few bugs have been worked on. Personally I will throw in that I've been using stock Android 4.3 on my Nexus 7 to test things out and I can confirm SuperSU seems to be working as far as I can tell for root.. However, as others have reported and Chainfire has acknowledged, you shouldn't expect it to be bug free. I'm definitely seeing the OS consume battery much more than it should and this is one of the issues with Chainfire's workaround we were told to expect. But if you need root and cannot wait for a better solution you should be ok using SuperSU for now as long as you are aware of these issues.

    [ORIGINAL POST]
    Because of security changes to Android introduced in 4.3, as of right now the traditional root methods are broken. For a more technical description please see Koush's post here: https://plus.google.com/u/0/11055807...ts/LtttyekSUoi

    Koush is working on a permanent solution for this, but his superuser app is currently not working in Android's newest version. Some users instead use Chainfire's SuperSU app and exploit for root control, and this has been modified by Chainfire with a workaround that is working for the time being, albeit buggy and not 100% reliable. Those users in need of root access ASAP may want to search for Chainfire's SuperSU thread on XDA, where he has provided a flashable zip of the package. I'd also recommend reading at least the last few pages of the thread when you get there (as we do with custom ROM threads) to get an idea of any issues users are currently experiencing and see what developments are being made to fix the issue.

    It's worth noting that once custom ROMs built from the 4.3 source arrive, the ROM devs can easily just revert the changes to restore root access like it used to be done, so for now this problem will likely only affect stock 4.3 users who want root access.

    I'll be keeping tabs on the developments and updating anything newsworthy here for you guys. I wouldn't sweat it much, as I'm sure a more solid/permanent solution will be found by the smart guys looking into it... but for now we may want to sit tight and wait for that to happen.

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    Default Re: [PSA] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Do I gather correctly that eventually a new superuser.zip file path will be posted in the rooting instructions once Koushik comes up with a solution?
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    Default Re: [PSA] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Chainfire's SuperSU v1.45 was updated just this morning. App is available in the Play Store or a flash-able zip file can be downloaded from the link below.

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    Default Re: [PSA] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by pjc123 View Post
    Do I gather correctly that eventually a new superuser.zip file path will be posted in the rooting instructions once Koushik comes up with a solution?
    Yep, just waiting on Koush to get on it.

    Quote Originally Posted by edab View Post
    Chainfire's SuperSU v1.45 was updated just this morning. App is available in the Play Store or a flash-able zip file can be downloaded from the link below.

    SuperSU Download
    Was just on my way to update the thread with that info
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 11:35] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Thanks for this 2defmouze.

    Bottom line if your one who likes to run custom ROMs and needs reliable root you may want to stay on 4.2.2 until the root packages fixed and working reliably.



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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 11:35] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Another update from Koush added to OP
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 12:40] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    He didn't mention that I noticed, but I'm guessing Kush's su will have the same battery problem as Chainfire's then?


    On the bright side, this wait means I've got longer before I have to flash a factory image and spend an age reintegrating my data and setting everything back up!

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 12:40] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzylumpkin View Post
    He didn't mention that I noticed, but I'm guessing Kush's su will have the same battery problem as Chainfire's then?


    On the bright side, this wait means I've got longer before I have to flash a factory image and spend an age reintegrating my data and setting everything back up!

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    I was wondering the same thing to be honest.. Having no intimate knowledge of exactly how these things work, I would speculate that it would foolish to assume it will be perfect in the first couple iterations. It's probably safe to say they may need a little time and a couple versions to squash bugs, but that's to be expected and not a big deal. Chainfire did supposedly get rid of part of the battery drain problem his original hack introduced, but I can definitely confirm it's not gone yet. I'm looking forward to Koush finalizing his implementation and hopefully it won't cause any major issues.

    Also worth repeating: The big ROM players who build from source (CM, AOKP, etc) will NOT have problems with su when they start pushing out their ROMs to the masses, because they can just modify the source code and implement su in a more natural way, reverting the problems 4.3 introduced. The "hack-around" superuser and SuperSU binaries only exist for and need to be used by people running stock 4.3.
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 12:40] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    I'm guessing the extra drain may come from the daemon kush mentioned having to implement. if so, it'll probably never go away completely, but will maybe improve.

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 12:40] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by fuzzylumpkin View Post
    I'm guessing the extra drain may come from the daemon kush mentioned having to implement. if so, it'll probably never go away completely, but will maybe improve.

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    Well yeah that's the root of it (no pun intended, lol)... having to in a sense set up a backdoor hack to enable root permissions through a daemon is a PITA I'm sure, and introduces a ton of new variables and potential problems. That's why I expect it'll take some time to perfect it, as best as can be done. Thankfully smarter people than me are at work on that
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 12:40] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Updated with new info from Chainfire
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Just a note for those interested in technical things.. The last post from Koush I linked in the OP has a great discussion in the comments, JBQ chiming in as well..

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Koush is done with the initial 4.3 superuser.. To be baked into CM and, when ready I guess, flashable for 4.3 stock. Just linking to his post here for info as I'm away from the computer right now: https://plus.google.com/110558071969...ts/4RRRUedDssF

    Nothing available for direct flashing for stock users yet so I'll just leave the update here.

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    I have no idea how to root since going to 4.3. I am trying to follow 2defmouze's method which has always worked for me, but when I try to do "fastboot boot recovery.img" all i get is a blank screen. Never boots into the custom recovery so I can't flash the superuser.
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by mzanette View Post
    I have no idea how to root since going to 4.3. I am trying to follow 2defmouze's method which has always worked for me, but when I try to do "fastboot boot recovery.img" all i get is a blank screen. Never boots into the custom recovery so I can't flash the superuser.
    Try using fastboot flash recovery recovery.img, then scroll to recovery using the volume keys and hit power.

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Also please make sure you use Chainfire's latest SuperSU, v1.5 just released. Check his g+ for the link to the flashable zip.

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by 2defmouze View Post
    Try using fastboot flash recovery recovery.img, then scroll to recovery using the volume keys and hit power.

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    5 minutes after I post and I get a reply. Did I ever tell you how incredibly awesome you are 2defmouze? Thanks man!

    (Might want to update your Root tab for others getting the "blank screen" when trying to boot into recovery. This worked flawlessly for me.)
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Thread updated, today's update from Chainfire.
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Koush released superuser for 4.3, beta2: https://plus.google.com/110558071969...ts/bpXwTcHafo1

    As its a beta there may be bugs, flash at your own risk. That's also why I'm going to leave it here instead of the OP for now. When something stable is released the OP will be updated.

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Ah I'm guessing (and I wish I'd checked android central before upgrading) this is why I'm getting the problem I have here ... Restarts post lock screen after update ...

    I think it might be OTA rootkeeper that's the problem as I found someone else with the same issue and they use it too (Help! Infinite bootloop with 4.3)

    So looking a the above should I try to switch to chainfire's SU ... only problem is I can't change the SU on my phone as I can't get past the lock screen (and when plugged into the computer although it recognises my N4 it doesn't seem to display anything inside it when opened) ... unless I can do it via the play store..

    Is there anyway to get myself out of this mess with my appdata intact? Should I uninstall OTA Rootkeeper or SuperSU via the play store (on my PC) and see if that lets me get past the lockscreen? It's odd because everything is working fine I still see the notifications when I get emails and things - I just can't get to them to see them (other than obviously separately on my PC)...
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Quote Originally Posted by NabeShogun View Post
    Ah I'm guessing (and I wish I'd checked android central before upgrading) this is why I'm getting the problem I have here ... Restarts post lock screen after update ...

    I think it might be OTA rootkeeper that's the problem as I found someone else with the same issue and they use it too (Help! Infinite bootloop with 4.3)

    So looking a the above should I try to switch to chainfire's SU ... only problem is I can't change the SU on my phone as I can't get past the lock screen (and when plugged into the computer although it recognises my N4 it doesn't seem to display anything inside it when opened) ... unless I can do it via the play store..

    Is there anyway to get myself out of this mess with my appdata intact? Should I uninstall OTA Rootkeeper or SuperSU via the play store (on my PC) and see if that lets me get past the lockscreen? It's odd because everything is working fine I still see the notifications when I get emails and things - I just can't get to them to see them (other than obviously separately on my PC)...
    I can't say for sure.. But I lean towards thinking you might just need to do a factory image restore. Hopefully you have your app data backed up with TiBu or something off of the device.. If not you would lose it.

    Definitely ask around tho as its possible there's another solution out there. I personally always update my TiBu backups and back them up to Dropbox before going through any procedure I'm not sure of.. That way no matter what I know I can restore it all after an image restore in the worst case scenario.

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/29/13 18:45] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Thanks for the warning !

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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Unfortunately not, I never have enough free space to make a backup with titanium (even though I had it installed) ... never figured out a way to hook it up to my computer and directly dump a backup there rather than on my phone first ...

    Looking at it OTA rootkeeper is no longer listed as a compatible app ... I seem to remember before I could uninstall (as well as install) stuff on my phone via my PC when looking at the play store and signed in ... am I going crazy or is that no longer there? I'm hoping if I can get rid of that (and maybe superSU too) maybe I'll get past the lockscreen... (though if they are the problem I'm not sure why booting in safemode doesn't work)

    Factory image will be a last last resort ... sigh ...
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 7/27/13 16:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Has anyone rooted the 4.3 update using Koush's spuerusre-4.3-beta2.zip via flashing with his recovery-clockworkmod-touch-6.0.3.5-mako?? If so, is all working well, i.e. TiBu.
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    Default Re: [PSA] [UPDATED 8/1/13 18:15] Warning for Root users regarding Android 4.3...

    Looks like I'm stuck without root on 4.3. No custom recovery and I'm having a very difficult time figuring out how to flash the SuperSu for root. I'm still pretty new when it comes to manually flashing.
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