[SellnCLT85]

Hey guys/girls. While doing my daily round of searching techie websites, I keep hearing more and more about how big Windows 8 will be & how the newer windows phone will be dominant.

I understand that the big goal is to provide desktop features for mobile devices. I don't plan on leaving Android anytime soon, just wanted to hear the forums opinion.

[Bellmonte]

Windows Phone is locked down like iOS, so I don't like it, and I've invested too much in apps on the Android Market to start over.

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[cckgz4]

I don't think it'll "take over" but I think that it will start building up more credibility now, especially next year

[Androoid]

I don't think so, but it will be a very nice alternative to open source OS' like Android and webOS.

[Small_law]

I've never seen one being used in public. Not once. Still, they'll eventually gain market share. It's going to end up being a three horse race among Apple, Google, and Microsoft. RIM announced its QNX phones won't be ready until this time next year, and that will likely doom them in the consumer space. RIM will only last as long as it can maintain its enterprise marketshare, which is eroding less quickly. I actually see Microsoft parlaying its Nokia partnership and a RIM aquisition to become the third horse. I also see Google and Samsung becoming buddies the way Microsoft and Intel were during the '90's, with Moto departing the mobile space and HTC being a sort of wild card more on its own. Apple will of course be Apple.

[cckgz4]

I've seen some people with Samsung Focus

[patrixl]

Hey guys/girls. While doing my daily round of searching techie websites, I keep hearing more and more about how big Windows 8 will be & how the newer windows phone will be dominant.

I don't know how old you are, so I don't know if you were into computers back in the 80s and 90s.. But this has ALWAYS been Microsoft's strategy.

They are always talking up what's coming next as the big thing, how it will dominate everything, how it will destroy everything... They used to call that "vapor" (where "vaporware" came from), because the product isn't real yet, isn't out, can't be used, but the company still talks about it in hopes that potential users/customers will hold off on buying something now so that they can buy theirs instead.

And once the new one is out (and fails to impress or fails to live up to the hype), then they talk up their next version... Over and over and over. Windows 95.. 98.. ME.. XP.. Vista.. 7.. now 8...

[Trixz_D]

Never there i said it

[aximtreo]

I think WP7 will take more market share from Apple than Google. Apple phones and apps have been around so long without anything earthshaking being brought forward in quite a while.

Apple is locked hardware and sotware wise. Windows is more locket hardware wise. Proof is the WP7 system can be upgraded to any of their new software systems. Apple has done this from the 3G upwards. It's interesting that a lot of 2 - 3 year old Android hardware cannot run ICS because of the openess of it's system. I think the next 2 years will bring a few surprises in the Smartphone world.

[ChromeJob]

I don't know how old you are, so I don't know if you were into computers back in the 80s and 90s.. But this has ALWAYS been Microsoft's strategy....

And once the new one is out (and fails to impress or fails to live up to the hype), then they talk up their next version... Over and over and over. Windows 95.. 98.. ME.. XP.. Vista.. 7.. now 8...

OY, vey, the memories. "Chicago" ... Windows 4.0 ... and then we got (drumroll) ... Windows 95. Blech. I waited for NT 4.0 at least that held me until Win 2000, and then I finally bought a laptop with XP pro. I'm still on that.

Microsoft apparently has, as often they do, a pleasant user experience and some neat integration with their enterprise and home stuff. I loved my Casio E125 PocketPC because it was literally like taking Outlook with me, along with cool games. But I don't think Windows Mobile devices will sell as briskly in the marketplace as they will to the corporate world that is sucking obsessively on the Win/Office/Exchange/Sql Server teat. Just my two cents based on 20 years watching Microsoft steamrolling around the square.

[jpinsl]

No way.

[gordol]

I think Windows Phone will be a serious contender and for one primary reason: Windows 8. IIRC, MS had stated that Windows 8 is being developed so that it will be natively cross-compatible with traditional desktops, tablets and phones, auto-scaling to the hardware and form factor.

While I don't think they'll take many of the current users of Android or iOS, I do think they'll pick up market share from NEW users, especially from those who would go Android. It'll never gain traction from those using Macs, however, as Mac users tend to worship at the altar of Steve Jobs.

[Mellimel22]

Hell naw they aint taking over anyyyyytime soon I used wm7 on a focus and the phone itself is awesome the ui is kinda whack

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[dwaynewilliams#WN]

I am starting to see more people using Windows phones. I think that there is room in the smartphone space for a third player. Microsoft seems to be releasing more handsets on more carriers. And once the Surface is released, if it is a hit, people will buy the phones too.


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[Mellimel22]

Yeah its a nice os better than ios just not for me love the freedom of Android but wp is definitely gonna take rims spot at 3rd place

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[GMJeff]

As a few here have said, Windows Phone will not take over in the sense of popularity. They may take over is some segments of the mobile community, like business, due to the Outlook/Exchange and Office integration.

Some of the plusses of Windows Phone to me including the integration of Office (mentioned above), Xbox, Zune, Skydrive and Exchange.

A lot of Pocket PC users probably are not jumping on the bandwagon yet due to other issues like handwriting recognition/input, as when I had one, that was what I liked about it as well. The ability to take handwritten notes was a major plus for quick notes or reminders. That must be why I like my Galaxy Note so much.

Microsoft stuck with single core processors and lower spec hardware at first for a few reasons. One was cost, to keep the prices of the phones down. Also, it was a way for developers to write apps for the devices that would work across multiple carriers and devices with a minimal set of hardware specs. In other words, if the app works on this device, it would work on all devices. Developers could also unlock and use their own devices for testing.

With Windows 8 coming, Microsoft needs to be thinking about boosting their hardware specs to keep people interested in the devices. I have heard rumors of them going to dual core processors for 1080p video, and to help with processing functionality. This being said, Microsoft has said that their OS works extremely well on a single core CPU, so who knows what we will see until they release it for the masses.

[DEman19901]

I think that windows 8 will get Microsoft over the hump. It will bring tablets, phones, and PC's together. How can you not get excited about this?

[trivor]

As a few here have said, Windows Phone will not take over in the sense of popularity. They may take over is some segments of the mobile community, like business, due to the Outlook/Exchange and Office integration.

Some of the plusses of Windows Phone to me including the integration of Office (mentioned above), Xbox, Zune, Skydrive and Exchange.

A lot of Pocket PC users probably are not jumping on the bandwagon yet due to other issues like handwriting recognition/input, as when I had one, that was what I liked about it as well. The ability to take handwritten notes was a major plus for quick notes or reminders. That must be why I like my Galaxy Note so much.

Microsoft stuck with single core processors and lower spec hardware at first for a few reasons. One was cost, to keep the prices of the phones down. Also, it was a way for developers to write apps for the devices that would work across multiple carriers and devices with a minimal set of hardware specs. In other words, if the app works on this device, it would work on all devices. Developers could also unlock and use their own devices for testing.

With Windows 8 coming, Microsoft needs to be thinking about boosting their hardware specs to keep people interested in the devices. I have heard rumors of them going to dual core processors for 1080p video, and to help with processing functionality. This being said, Microsoft has said that their OS works extremely well on a single core CPU, so who knows what we will see until they release it for the masses.

While MS will stick with it (like XBox) to eventually gain some presence in the market it is not going to be quick (they are two years in and still only have about 2.0%). As for some of the pluses they have allowed Android to actually become a fairly polished operating system (I would liken it to Windows 95 vs Mac OS - ICS is about the polish of Win 95). Don't discount the idea of the status quo - once you have learned something (I remember how many people picked MS-DOS over Mac because of cost and Lotus 123) it is not easy for someone to switch unless the current system is unusable). As for some of the other things - there are apps for Skydrive integration on iOS and Android, rumor of Office on iOS and Android (plus there are a number of free and paid office replacements), there is an XBox companion app for iOS and Android and there are plenty of alternatives to Zune. While I'm sure WP8 will be competitive it will take quite a while to get people to switch (if at all) from iOS or Android. While I (and most AC forum people) don't think much of iOS I have yet to run into a SINGLE person (not one) who doesn't LOVE their iPhone (can't necessarily say the same about Android given the wide range of phone hardware/quality). I think WP8 will have a long road to even 10% market share (let alone something higher).

[bitek]

personally my second choice is android. I like google way more than microsoft. for multibillion dollar company google does not feel as evil as microsoft. so in short microsoft will not jump google in phone sales.

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[Mellimel22]

Might kill rim though

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[jerryjerryjerry]

I don't know how old you are, so I don't know if you were into computers back in the 80s and 90s.. But this has ALWAYS been Microsoft's strategy.

They are always talking up what's coming next as the big thing, how it will dominate everything, how it will destroy everything... They used to call that "vapor" (where "vaporware" came from), because the product isn't real yet, isn't out, can't be used, but the company still talks about it in hopes that potential users/customers will hold off on buying something now so that they can buy theirs instead.

And once the new one is out (and fails to impress or fails to live up to the hype), then they talk up their next version... Over and over and over. Windows 95.. 98.. ME.. XP.. Vista.. 7.. now 8...

Um.. every version of Windows you listed does "dominate" everything. They have something like 90% of the desktop OS market. How much does Google Chrome OS have again?

And that isn't called vaporware. Vaporware is something that never gets released, or that gets released so long after it was announced that everyone forgets about it and no one cares because the hype died out so long ago, like the Notion Adam, for example.

[jerryjerryjerry]

personally my second choice is android. I like google way more than microsoft. for multibillion dollar company google does not feel as evil as microsoft. so in short microsoft will not jump google in phone sales.

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Google doesn't feel as evil as Microsoft? Really?

Google is just much better at being sneaky. They give away free junk in exchange for running their tentacles up inside every orifice of your online life so they can profile you, sell your information and help other companies target market to you.

At least Microsoft is honest enough to ask for money for their product up front and then leave you alone.

Microsoft also managed to somehow miraculously come up with an original smartphone OS that doesn't look or act anything like the iPhone. Notice how they have no problems with Apple lawsuits over Windows Phone?

Google's whole "Don't be evil" mantra is a joke. They are as evil as any of the other companies. They don't truly support open-source, Android is pseudo-open source. Eric Schmidt sat on Apple's board for years just biding his time to steal ideas, then magically Android goes from looking like a reskinned Blackberry to looking just like an iPhone overnight.

People thing Google is this wonderful altruistic force for freedom, it's hilarious. They invent very little. They make all their money by gathering content created by other people's hard work and redistributing it to people, tracking every little thing you look at on the Internet to target ads at you, and now gathering up things that other companies invent and repackaging them as their own product.

[dwaynewilliams#WN]

^^^some valid points.


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[LegalAmerican]

Google doesn't feel as evil as Microsoft? Really?

Google is just much better at being sneaky. They give away free junk in exchange for running their tentacles up inside every orifice of your online life so they can profile you, sell your information and help other companies target market to you.

At least Microsoft is honest enough to ask for money for their product up front and then leave you alone.

Microsoft also managed to somehow miraculously come up with an original smartphone OS that doesn't look or act anything like the iPhone. Notice how they have no problems with Apple lawsuits over Windows Phone?

Google's whole "Don't be evil" mantra is a joke. They are as evil as any of the other companies. They don't truly support open-source, Android is pseudo-open source. Eric Schmidt sat on Apple's board for years just biding his time to steal ideas, then magically Android goes from looking like a reskinned Blackberry to looking just like an iPhone overnight.

People thing Google is this wonderful altruistic force for freedom, it's hilarious. They invent very little. They make all their money by gathering content created by other people's hard work and redistributing it to people, tracking every little thing you look at on the Internet to target ads at you, and now gathering up things that other companies invent and repackaging them as their own product.

Please. Take a breath and sit down. Sure Google has some shady tactics like anyone else, but stop trying to demonize them by regurgitating Steve Jobs' complaints. Apple pretends like they invented the wheel and everyone knows they swiped ideas to build their foundation too. At least Google takes an idea and elevates it into something logical and effective! Apple steals ideas and then sues the company they stole it from!

Everyone just needs to put their best product on the market and move forward. Let the chips fall where they may.

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[TechFitGJ]

No way. They will definitely grow but they will not "take over". It's a nice OS though, used the Lumia 900 for about a month but it just can't compete and it's locked down.