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    Quote Originally Posted by badbrad17 View Post
    Will Apple go the way of the dinosaur because of this update?
    No way in hell they could have flopped because of this update. They could have come out and said, "it's already perfect, quit whining. no update." and people would have eaten it alive That's not a mark against Apple, because you're 100% right that it IS a great experience for the majority of their customers.

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    Will they stay on top in the market?
    As WP and BB are no threat, Android and iOS will remain the top two for the forseeable future. Combined they control around 90% of global marketshare already. I'd love to see some new players, because the "rock the world" culture thrives more in a more competitive atmosphere. Clearly Google and Apple are both going to push their respective systems in different ways, but there are no real threats to either right now and I wouldn't expect any major market share changes during the next year or so, at least.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ICEmayne View Post
    I don't know if anyone is keeping up with what Apple is unveiling today, but they have rebuilt the UI from the ground up in iOS 7. Looks like they have also taken ideas and tweaks from the jailbreak community. Don't know if anyone cares, but thought I'd just let some know what was going down.

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    More like they just copied the look of Android. Very disappointing. I wonder if they'll at least add something of their own creation within the next few years cause it doesn't look like it this year so far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingIsTrue View Post
    No way in hell they could have flopped because of this update. They could have come out and said, "it's already perfect, quit whining. no update." and people would have eaten it alive That's not a mark against Apple, because you're 100% right that it IS a great experience for the majority of their customers.



    As WP and BB are no threat, Android and iOS will remain the top two for the forseeable future. Combined they control around 90% of global marketshare already. I'd love to see some new players, because the "rock the world" culture thrives more in a more competitive atmosphere. Clearly Google and Apple are both going to push their respective systems in different ways, but there are no real threats to either right now and I wouldn't expect any major market share changes during the next year or so, at least.
    Well BB is still just trying to solidify itself and get back some of it's old customers and maybe a few new ones. WP on the other hand is struggling I would say, they've been around for a few years and have little to show for it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by badbrad17 View Post
    I think there were some good updates in OS7. The notification stuff is great, the ability to turn on/off wifi, bluetooth etc. using Siri is excellent. The new look and other updates are all good.

    BUT!..... I would have to agree with NothingisTrue in that there is really nothing being introduced that Android (or Blackberry for that matter) doesn't already have in place. So I think that there are 2 ways that consumers will look at this update based on who they are.

    1. The low tech consumer think the Apple experience is an excellent one, and it is for many people. They are okay with simple updates and things that do what they are supposed to do based on how Apple wants people to use their OS and their phones. The apps and features available on the iPhone is more than they can use on a daily basis anyway.

    2. The high tech consumer will now think Apple is trailing Android and other devices by such a wide margin that almost any feature they add is already available for Android. This makes them look like the follower instead of the leader. Even if their lock screen notification center is better than Android it still seems like it is a copy cat experience. The addition of custom keyboards just looks like they stole the idea from Android. So when consumers are looking for the bleeding edge of technology who are they now looking at? It used to be Apple, but it isn't anymore.

    So regardless of who we are we still have choices and options in technology. This update is exactly what I expected. Nothing earth shattering, but also some changes that will help to make even legacy iPhones feel new again. Will Apple go the way of the dinosaur because of this update? Not a chance. Will they stay on top in the market? I doubt it.

    On that note I am off to go buy an iPhone for my youngest daughter for her birthday. That is 2 iPhones in our family in less than 2 months. I feel like I may have sold my technical soul.
    I disagree about staying on top of the market. I think this will just solidify the two horse race, and android and apple will be swapping places in the charts consistently from now on.

    Also, one thing to keep in mind is that apple usually keeps some features close to the vest until the next iPhone unveiling. There still is more to come from iOS 7.
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    Straight up on the thread title -

    Last chance for what? Apple, iOS, and iPhone aren't going anywhere anytime soon. Their only challenger in terms of OEMs is Samsung. Android is an open platform that anybody can use so of course it's going to get higher marketshare numbers. Last chance? lol.
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    I was seriously considering getting a HTC One next week, but after what Apple showed today, I may get the 5 and wait for iOS7. I liked the new swipe from the bottom tray, airdrop (I think that's what it's called), the new depth (or layers, or whatever you want to call it), and the new icons. I still don't like Siri, but it looks like they upgraded it a lot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSkullough View Post
    I was seriously considering getting a HTC One next week, but after what Apple showed today, I may get the 5 and wait for iOS7. I liked the new swipe from the bottom tray, airdrop (I think that's what it's called), the new depth (or layers, or whatever you want to call it), and the new icons. I still don't like Siri, but it looks like they upgraded it a lot.

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    Ehhh. The One would still be better for most, plus its going to be a long wait for 7. In my case I'll stick with what I have (One and S4) and see what apple brings to the table this Fall as far as hardware. I've got an iPad, so I'll get to use iOS 7 regardless.

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    I still believe Apple will turn things around. This was just a new UI they debuted. I'm interested in what they will do in the hardware department with the next iPhone.

    As far as the new UI goes, I think they did a good job. It shows that they can still think outside the box. That box being one of simple updates (ex: iOS 6). I feel that Apple gets stuck in the "innovation" box too often. They are known for innovation and everyone automatically thinks that every product/ software update is supposed to innovate. It is impossible to make every product and software iteration innovated (did that make sense, lol). The S3 was innovated IMO, but in my eyes, the S4 was, for lack of a better term, a simple update to the S3. Anyway, as scattered as my thoughts were, that's my two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ICEmayne View Post
    I still believe Apple will turn things around. This was just a new UI they debuted. I'm interested in what they will do in the hardware department with the next iPhone.

    As far as the new UI goes, I think they did a good job. It shows that they can still think outside the box. That box being one of simple updates (ex: iOS 6). I feel that Apple gets stuck in the "innovation" box too often. They are known for innovation and everyone automatically thinks that every product/ software update is supposed to innovate. It is impossible to make every product and software iteration innovated (did that make sense, lol). The S3 was innovated IMO, but in my eyes, the S4 was, for lack of a better term, a simple update to the S3. Anyway, as scattered as my thoughts were, that's my two cents.

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    Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much. Not many people have expected Apple to innovate for a while. Though, I have to say while the new UI is definitely nothing that we haven't seen before, it does look 100x better than it did before so that's something.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much. Not many people have expected Apple to innovate for a while. Though, I have to say while the new UI is definitely nothing that we haven't seen before, it does look 100x better than it did before so that's something.
    Hey, that new Mac Pro is freaking badass! I would definitely consider that innovating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    Oh I wouldn't worry about that too much. Not many people have expected Apple to innovate for a while. Though, I have to say while the new UI is definitely nothing that we haven't seen before, it does look 100x better than it did before so that's something.
    True. The turn around for them has to start somewhere.

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    Sad that iOS7 is still a year or two behind Android. Still no widgets, no NFC support, oh but wait, they have IRadio and transparent icons...woot woot!
    Color me impressed!

    As for the S4 being an updated S3, kinda. The hardware specs are much better, which makes it a little more than a "slight" update imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CR6 View Post
    Sad that iOS7 is still a year or two behind Android. Still no widgets, no NFC support, oh but wait, they have IRadio and transparent icons...woot woot!
    Color me impressed!

    As for the S4 being an updated S3, kinda. The hardware specs are much better, which makes it a little more than a "slight" update imo.

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    How do you know there is no NFC support? The new iPhone hasn't been unveiled yet which leaves the support for NFC a possibility.This was purely a software update.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CR6 View Post
    Sad that iOS7 is still a year or two behind Android. Still no widgets, no NFC support, oh but wait, they have IRadio and transparent icons...woot woot!
    Color me impressed!

    As for the S4 being an updated S3, kinda. The hardware specs are much better, which makes it a little more than a "slight" update imo.

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    Again, not having widgets isn't a downside for iOS. Android is the only mobile os that has them...

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    Quote Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    Well BB is still just trying to solidify itself and get back some of it's old customers and maybe a few new ones. WP on the other hand is struggling I would say, they've been around for a few years and have little to show for it.
    I was speaking to the guy I buy my phones from today and he is a BB fan. He has the Z10 and loves it. He told me the new Q10 has been selling really well. For the average person that wants a good typing machine with basic Internet I think it's a great device.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    I disagree about staying on top of the market. I think this will just solidify the two horse race, and android and apple will be swapping places in the charts consistently from now on.

    Also, one thing to keep in mind is that apple usually keeps some features close to the vest until the next iPhone unveiling. There still is more to come from iOS 7.
    That maybe true as far as the 2 horse race but in terms of software Android also has more things to offer and although the latest IOS7 updates are all good, they are not all that innovative. Google has been doing great things and adding major innovative features. Apple's aren't even as inventive as BB 10 imo. Plus companies like Samsung and HTC are also adding new innovation every year which makes Android as a whole appear to be coming out with new ideas at a much faster pace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McSkullough View Post
    I was seriously considering getting a HTC One next week, but after what Apple showed today, I may get the 5 and wait for iOS7. I liked the new swipe from the bottom tray, airdrop (I think that's what it's called), the new depth (or layers, or whatever you want to call it), and the new icons. I still don't like Siri, but it looks like they upgraded it a lot.

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    I've got a One and 2 iphone 5's in my house along with my Nexus 4. The One is such a sweet phone. With Nova launcher on it you get an amazing experience and a gorgeous screen. It's super fast and the touchscreen is so smooth I think it rivals ios. I think you would be bored stiff after using Android.

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    Quote Originally Posted by badbrad17 View Post
    That maybe true as far as the 2 horse race but in terms of software Android also has more things to offer and although the latest IOS7 updates are all good, they are not all that innovative. Google has been doing great things and adding major innovative features. Apple's aren't even as inventive as BB 10 imo. Plus companies like Samsung and HTC are also adding new innovation every year which makes Android as a whole appear to be coming out with new ideas at a much faster pace.

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    Google hasn't been innovating either. The last innovative thing from Google I can think of is expandable notifications, but that isn't even all that innovative. (More of a natural progression) Now would probably be the most innovative thing they've done recently.

    Neither has Samsung or HTC. All of the 'innovations' that Samsung introduced on the S4, for example, existed prior to being included in the S4.

    Also, you need to take into consideration the aims of each OS. That explains some of the differences, and it also explains why some of the things android has, like widgets, don't make android better than iOS.

    I'll say again what I've said in past threads like this: at this point in time, it is almost impossible to come up with anything new or truly innovative. Everything has been done already, and the only thing that can be done is refinement of those ideas. This is true of Samsung's eye tracking, the new features of iOS, and pretty much everything else.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    Again, not having widgets isn't a downside for iOS. Android is the only mobile os that has them...

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    Why do you always say this? Android is the only one that has this because it is their feature that they utilize and market. Just go to www.mycolorscreen.com and tell me that no one is using widgets.
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    I don't see the big deal. There are different markets for different people to find what they like in a smart phone. I commend apple for taking a step forward in development after 5 or six years, but i dont expect them to become like android. There is obviously a reason why people buy an iPhone over an android, and where's the fun in all of the OSes integrating to having the same features? That destroys the range of decision making for the consumer, and is not at all good for the market.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    Google hasn't been innovating either. The last innovative thing from Google I can think of is expandable notifications, but that isn't even all that innovative. (More of a natural progression) Now would probably be the most innovative thing they've done recently.

    Neither has Samsung or HTC. All of the 'innovations' that Samsung introduced on the S4, for example, existed prior to being included in the S4.

    Also, you need to take into consideration the aims of each OS. That explains some of the differences, and it also explains why some of the things android has, like widgets, don't make android better than iOS.

    I'll say again what I've said in past threads like this: at this point in time, it is almost impossible to come up with anything new or truly innovative. Everything has been done already, and the only thing that can be done is refinement of those ideas. This is true of Samsung's eye tracking, the new features of iOS, and pretty much everything else.
    I couldn't disagree more. To just casually mention Google Now as a throw in is laughable to say the least. It just won the best everyday utility award Google Now wins grand prize for 'best everyday utility' at 2013 UX awards | Android Central as well as innovation of the year on Popular science Popular Science picks Google Now as the Innovation of the Year | Android Central. These are major awards.

    The irony is that you don't think that widgets would make iOS better, but now that I have 2 iPhone 5's in my household I am on the direct receiving end of features that are lacking on these phones. The most important is a toggle widget. iOS6 has wifi problems so I have to constantly ask my kids to go in and turn off data. It's a major pain for a 13 year old to have to not only do this but to remember to do it all the time. So now that something like this has been added in iOS7 it is a big positive.

    Innovation is how your device allows you to better use the phone. Samsung chose to add in more gesture controls and hover commands etc. this is innovative. It may not be something for everyone, but neither is Siri or a camera for that matter. It's about how we are able to adapt to the broader uses that are available. A chainsaw can be used to cut down trees or to carve out something artistically amazing. But if Apple doesn't provide a chainsaw then there is no option. You have to agree that simple widgets like these open up tons of possibilities for innovative ideas and features to happen. Some are big, some are small. Things like Zooper widget, UCCW, Dashclock etc. are smart utilities that are all innovative in their own right that are only available because of Androids open environment. We are so used to seeing them on Android by the boatload that we don't put nearly as much weight on them as innovation. Apple comes out with something and hard codes it into the system and it's heralded as amazing when it doesn't even allow customization at all. I can add power toggles, data and wifi usage reports and many other things to my notification shade with a host of different options and make it exactly how I like it. Ironically I prefer to have a toggle widget on my main home screen instead of the notification shade. I removed it from there which allows more room for notifications. Apple puts in stock reports into the default notifications.... hmm really useful to 90% of the population.
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    Hmn, I have to say that I think it's a very nice update indeed. Let's put other operating systems aside for a minute, these new updates look great and add a lot of much needed new flexibility to iOS. It looks great too. It will no doubt make most of ios's loyal fans happy.

    Now, when we compare iOS7 to android then yes, apple haven't really added any new killer apps and services. One wonders how the maps will compare to Google, particularly as the new Google maps is rolling out now and Google now is getting really good at voice recognition and services.

    In many ways I think Jony Ive was on a bit of a hiding to nothing, and I personally think he has done a great job with an impossible task. IOS looks much better now, has better services and is looking far less staid.

    Is it a worthwhile upgrade? Absolutely.
    Will it cause a Mass migration from android? Absolutely not.

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    Why do you always say this? Android is the only one that has this because it is their feature that they utilize and market. Just go to www.mycolorscreen.com and tell me that no one is using widgets.
    All of the manufacturers have data to support the fact that most customers don't use them. Android is the only one that has it because other manufacturers have realized consumers don't care about it.

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    I couldn't disagree more. To just casually mention Google Now as a throw in is laughable to say the least. It just won the best everyday utility award Google Now wins grand prize for 'best everyday utility' at 2013 UX awards | Android Central as well as innovation of the year on Popular science Popular Science picks Google Now as the Innovation of the Year | Android Central. These are major awards.

    The irony is that you don't think that widgets would make iOS better, but now that I have 2 iPhone 5's in my household I am on the direct receiving end of features that are lacking on these phones. The most important is a toggle widget. iOS6 has wifi problems so I have to constantly ask my kids to go in and turn off data. It's a major pain for a 13 year old to have to not only do this but to remember to do it all the time. So now that something like this has been added in iOS7 it is a big positive.

    Innovation is how your device allows you to better use the phone. Samsung chose to add in more gesture controls and hover commands etc. this is innovative. It may not be something for everyone, but neither is Siri or a camera for that matter. It's about how we are able to adapt to the broader uses that are available. A chainsaw can be used to cut down trees or to carve out something artistically amazing. But if Apple doesn't provide a chainsaw then there is no option. You have to agree that simple widgets like these open up tons of possibilities for innovative ideas and features to happen. Some are big, some are small. Things like Zooper widget, UCCW, Dashclock etc. are smart utilities that are all innovative in their own right that are only available because of Androids open environment. We are so used to seeing them on Android by the boatload that we don't put nearly as much weight on them as innovation. Apple comes out with something and hard codes it into the system and it's heralded as amazing when it doesn't even allow customization at all. I can add power toggles, data and wifi usage reports and many other things to my notification shade with a host of different options and make it exactly how I like it. Ironically I prefer to have a toggle widget on my main home screen instead of the notification shade. I removed it from there which allows more room for notifications. Apple puts in stock reports into the default notifications.... hmm really useful to 90% of the population.
    To be frank, you don't really understand what innovation means. As I said, eye tracking and gestures such as that existed before samsung put them in the s4. They are not innovative. They are a repackaging of existing ideas. Everything else you list is not at all innovative either. They are all natural progressions of existing technology, which by their very nature means they aren't innovative.

    Google, like Apple, may have sparks of innovation here and then. (Like Now) But they haven't created anything truly innovative in the mobile space in quite some time, and won't for quite some time to come. As I said, it isn't their fault, though, because there is very little (at the moment) that is left to innovate.
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    All of the manufacturers have data to support the fact that most customers don't use them. Android is the only one that has it because other manufacturers have realized consumers don't care about it.

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    It may not be something everyone uses, but I will tell you this. Every single person I have seen with an Android phone has used some type of widget being used. They may not use them like a power user would, but after using their phone they start to utilize the opportunities available to them. It's about choice and opportunity. Android allows you to make many cakes because it supplies you with all the ingredients to do anything you like. Apple just gives you a cake. Some people may only decide to make one cake all the time with Android, but there are still lots of people who decide to be creative and make many interesting cakes.
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