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    If your company was being sued by a competitor because they found the way that you were hired to be illegal, but you and your boss both disagreed, and there was a pending appeal on the matter.. it would be unreasonable for anyone to assume you would quit your job prior to the resolution of the litigation. Otherwise, I'd sue my competitor every time they hired a well qualified applicant just to make sure I could stay ahead of the market pool. If I knew they'd throw in the towel and quit just because I threatened them, hands down the right move from a business standpoint. Of course, then they'd start doing that to my applicants, etc... dumb idea.

    Morally and legally I don't give a damn what my competitor thinks until a judge asks me to take action or we meet a middle ground and can reach a compromise or settlement.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingIsTrue View Post
    So I agree that decisions made since the hearing are definitely suspect, however to be reasonable these two are probably receiving direction from their boss to continue business as usual while the appeal is pending. That is normal procedure in many civil trials absent an injunction specified by the judge. The ones prior to the decision we have to assume were made in full good faith until such a time that the SCOTUS states otherwise. It is true that should the proper procedure have been followed, one or both may not have been confirmed, however I don't think that should alter whether or not they are eligible to be considered today.

    Realistically, the procedure that was followed was identical to all such appointments over the past 14 years, which means either all 3 presidents were breaking the law and we only called one of them on it, or the interpretation of the law just changed this time around. Either way that's pretty unacceptable, but it doesn't excuse any actions if any of those presidents knew the action to be illegal when doing so.

    Whomever is ultimately appointed will probably have to revisit all of the decisions again unless it is the same two people and no court throws out any of the decisions. Additionally, whomever is ultimately appointed will still be someone chosen by the President and will likely have a similar frame of reference in their operations, resulting in the reaffirmation of any and all decisions that are either invalidated or in question.

    The President's actions in this case are questionable, however the actions of the staff who are doing their job to the best of their ability in a very confusing environment I would have to pardon as long as there is no evidence that they are not operating in good faith. Assuming they should stop doing their job because someone not above them wants them to is like saying that Samsung should stop making phones because Apple wants them to, despite no one ever ordering that they cease production or sale. It's kind of a cart before the horse thing to say they should stop without any direction to do so, especially with pending litigation.
    I definitely think that they should have stopped after the ruling, the fact that they have continued even after the courts have said they were there illegally. It doesn't matter if it was their choice or the presidents direction the law was being broke. There also needs to be some type of sanction, or penalty for breaking that law. as there should have been for others in this same situation.

    This is the kind of constructive conversation that places like this are supposed to be like.
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    This was addressed in another post...

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    And let's not leave out Governor Walker's proposed unconstitutionally forced trans-[naughty word] ultrasounds on women in Wisconsin, too.

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    This is one of those topics that can get pretty hot really fast. Please do not take my comments as abusive, or insulting that is not my intention. I would prefer not to discuss the morality of abortion in this post. If people want that discussion then I suggest we start a desperate thread to keep this one from getting over ran.

    http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/01/us...tion.html?_r=0
    Utah: i want some more time with this one. However would you agree that the so called "back alley" and or "coat hanger" types of abortions are dangerous to the health of the mother and should not only be illegal, but the person performing them should be prosecuted? Roe v. Wade is the law I believe those that seek abortions for whatever reason should have them performed by a qualified person.

    With that being said, I have to wonder why she waited until she was 7 months pregnant before seeking the abortion, and why she didn't go to a clinic for the procedure. Since you are more vested in this issue than I am I hope you will shed some light on this?
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    Arizona law 'pregnancy starts 2 weeks before conception' - Portland Early Childhood Parenting | Examiner.com
    Arizona: How can anyone think that life begins before conception?

    I think the goal of this is to give the infant every chance possible to survive outside the womb which in of its self is an admirable goal. But this is not the proper way to go about achieving it.
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    http://www.nytimes.com/2012/03/04/op...use-women.html
    Texas: According to a linked article from the page you provided it states that doctors are required to offer patients a clear picture of the fetus and a chance to listen to its heartbeat. In the first trimester when most abortions take place, that requires the use of an internal probe, not the "jelly on the belly" abdominal scans that can be done later in the pregnancy when the baby is larger. Once the use of an abdominal ultrasound is feasible then it should be used to satisfy the need for informed consent required and necessary before any medical procedure.

    The article mentions that by forcing the woman to listen to the sound of the babies heartbeat and have the Dr. describe the organs is meant to shame the woman into not seeking an abortion, we only feel shame when we know we are doing something we feel is wrong. But once again I feel this allows for informed consent.
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    http://m.cbsnews.com/storysynopsis.r...catid=57464167
    Virginia: once again it comes to the issue of informed consent.

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    I am using this as a guideline for informed consent: informed consent - definition of informed consent in the Medical dictionary - by the Free Online Medical Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    Last January I broke 2 ribs, and as of October they still had not healed so I was referred to a trauma surgeon to have them surgically repaired. Prior to the surgery I underwent several xrays, an MRI scan. These are medical procedures that allowed me to provide informed consent. I realize this is not the same as having the probe pushed into your body. The closest I can come to that as a male is a Colonoscopy and in all honesty if my Dr. stated that I needed one to rule out colon cancer or for any other medical procedure then I would not hesitate.
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    In closing I once again want to state that nothing I have said is intended to be insulting or hurtful. With topics like this it is so easy to get on the defensive and I really would like to avoid that. Because if I put you on the defensive, even if it is unintentional your first impulse is going to be to attack.

    I am not trying to change anyone's mind or position about abortion, nor would I appreciate someone trying to change mine. But I also believe there are advantages to learning the points of the other persons opinion.
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    Pro forma sessions, whereby a single (GOP, in this case) Senator shows up daily during what is effectively a 3-5 week recess, bangs a gavel in an empty Senate chamber does not relieve the Senate of its Constitutional obligation to vote and confirm nominees. This is the crux of this hilarious non-issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Pro forma sessions, whereby a single (GOP, in this case) Senator shows up daily during what is effectively a 3-5 week recess, bangs a gavel in an empty Senate chamber does not relieve the Senate of its Constitutional obligation to vote and confirm nominees. This is the crux of this hilarious non-issue.

    pro forma session - From the Latin, meaning as a matter of form, a pro forma session is a brief meeting of the Senate (sometimes only a few minutes in duration).

    U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Glossary > pro forma session
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    Obama’s Imaginary Senate Recess | RedState

    Update: House Democrats seem to disagree with Obama. They held a press conference calling on Republicans to come back to Washington and join them in working on the conference committee for the extenders package. Thats some recess going on there.


    Also see: http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...B%20P%20%20%0A
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    Obama’s Imaginary Senate Recess | RedState

    Update: House Democrats seem to disagree with Obama. They held a press conference calling on Republicans to come back to Washington and join them in working on the conference committee for the extenders package. Thats some recess going on there.


    Also see: http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...B%20P%20%20%0A
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    pro forma session - From the Latin, meaning as a matter of form, a pro forma session is a brief meeting of the Senate (sometimes only a few minutes in duration).

    U.S. Senate: Reference Home > Glossary > pro forma session
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    There is NO room for argument here, his recess appointments are unconstitutional.
    a pro forma session is a brief meeting of the Senate.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Obamas Imaginary Senate Recess | RedState

    Update: House Democrats seem to disagree with Obama. They held a press conference calling on Republicans to come back to Washington and join them in working on the conference committee for the extenders package. Thats some recess going on there.
    Mixing apples and oranges.

    CRS does not exist to provide legal precedent nor define, in legal terms, the issue at hand.

    Would you have anything to say at all if copy/paste were not available to you?
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    Live2Ride883, that was a very reasonable response. I feel we will never see eye to eye on several issues but can discuss them in a rational and reasonable manner.

    Utah... I agree, I don't know why she would wait until seven months to try to terminate, I do NOT agree with late term abortions unless the mother is in physical danger. After 23 weeks the fetus can be viable albeit with risks of damage to several organ systems but they can survive. However, early termination especially before 6 weeks is less traumatic on the mother physically. The embryo has a rudimentary brain stem and cardiac muscle tissue but in reality, there is no evidence of consciousness present. This is usually around the time most spontaneous miscarriages occur, often without the mother's knowledge, however a strict interpretation of Utah law would deem this a felony murder if miscarriage would occur.

    Arizona... this law is just plain ridiculous. You can't be pregnant before you're pregnant.

    Virginia, Texas and now Wisconsin... Once a woman has crossed the threshold of deciding on termination, it's her decision. Informed consent means you are aware of the limits and risks of the procedure. Believe me, if you went for a colonoscopy I guarantee they didn't show you a video of a colonoscopy in progress or the prep before the procedure. An explanation would be sufficient. A woman knows that its an embryo and is alive.

    It all comes down to beliefs. I believe the soul and personality transcends the body and physical brain, if a soul is to be born it will find a suitable vehicle (body), if the chosen one is no longer available, it will choose another. I realize not many see it this way, and that is fine. Just don't try to convince me to follow your beliefs (not you specifically, but rather people in general) just because you think it's the truth although it may be your truth, it is not mine.

    As an addendum... men could not understand the violation and degradation a woman feels during the trans l ultrasound...a colonoscopy is really no comparison since you are sedated. A woman is wide awake and having a stranger shove a hard uncomfortable device into a private sensitive area while making the most difficult decision of her life. No comparison.

    Good discussion.

    Another addendum... If you have ever been catheterized you have a semblance of the procedure...

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    There is NO room for argument here, his recess appointments are unconstitutional.
    a pro forma session is a brief meeting of the Senate.
    It's a brief meeting according to a broad guideline reference. In these cases, it is exactly as I described. Will you continue to spread the same minutia when the SCOTUS reverses the lower court's ruling? Yes or No.

    You're almost as humorous as droidmyme.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    It's a brief meeting according to a broad guideline reference. In these cases, it is exactly as I described. Will you continue to spread the same minutia when the SCOTUS reverses the lower court's ruling? Yes or No.

    You're almost as humorous as droidmyme.
    As it stands the recess appointments are unconstitutional, the administration has not submitted an appeal.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    As it stands the recess appointments are unconstitutional, the administration has not submitted an appeal.
    No. As it stands, there is a lower court ruling. This does not exhaust the judicial process. Or are you still claiming the ACA is "unconstitutional" as well due to a poor circuit court's ruling?
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    From a previous post.

    The lower court I mentioned is the court of appeals for the D.C. circuit, which is one step down from SCOTUS.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    From a previous post.

    The lower court I mentioned is the court of appeals for the D.C. circuit, which is one step down from SCOTUS.
    Good for you. That, indeed, is the pecking order.
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    I'm not totally buying it. Assuming you and your boss think you were hired legally, you're saying you would quit your job if a competitor threatened to file suit against your boss regarding some aspect of your employment? Before any judge orders any such action? While there is pending litigation?
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    These two nominees are in a sticky place. Until litigation is complete or settled: They can either resign or refuse to work, in which case legally they are both correct and incorrect and morally, assuming this goes against their conscience, they are wrong, as this is a betrayal of their oath of office. Or they can remain in the position, in which case legally they are both correct and incorrect and morally, under the same assumption, they are doing what they must do in good faith in order to fulfill their oath of office.

    Were it me, if I believed I was doing the right thing, there is no way I would ever resign without a court order to do so and no way I would refuse to work unless there was an injunction stating to cease further efforts pending trail outcome. Doing either betrays their conscience and thus betrays us, as there is no legal cause for them to cease production.

    Again, this all assumes that they believe they are doing the right thing. Your opposition disagreeing with you doesn't make them right or you wrong just by virtue of the disagreement. Obviously there is a disagreement or there wouldn't be litigation at all.
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    President Harrison J. Bounel

    Who is Harrison J. Bounel? According to the 2009 tax return submitted by President Barack Obama, hes the President of the United States. All nine U.S. Supreme Court Justices are scheduled to discuss this anomaly today, 2/15.13
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    The case in question is Edward Noonan, et al v. Deborah Bowen, California Secretary of State, and the Justices are finally looking at it thanks to the dogged determination of Orly Taitz. The case calls into question many of the documents Obama (Bounel, Soetoro, Soebarkah, etc.) has used and/or released as authentic since he came on the national scene. The case contends that the documents birth certificate, Social Security number, Selective Service registration, etc. are fakes or forgeries. If thats the case, Obama should not have been on the California ballot in 2008 and, therefore, should not have received the States electoral votes.
    Four of the nine Justices must vote to move the case forward. Well see.

    Meantime, on Feb. 4, Kathleen OLeary, presiding judge of the 4th District Court of Appeal, reinstated the appeal of Taitz v. Obama et al filed by Taitz when she ran for Senate. That case involves evidence of 1.5 million invalid voter registrations in the State of California. The appeal also involves Obamas lack of legitimacy to hold the office of President based on his forged IDs, stolen Connecticut Social Security number, the fact the last name hes using is not legally his and his fraudulent claim to be the U.S. citizen.

    Evidence in the case includes:
    A certified copy of the passport records of Obamas mother, Stanley Ann Dunham, showing her sons legal last name to be Soebarkah, not Obama.

    Obamas school records from Indonesia, showing his citizenship to be Indonesian.

    Sworn affidavits of top law enforcement experts and investigators, showing Obamas birth certificate and Selective Service certificate are forgeries and that the Social Security number used by Obama on his 2009 tax returns as posted on WhiteHouse.gov was fraudulent. (The SSN failed when checked through both E-Verify and the Social Security Number Verification Service.)

    On another legal front, Obama defaulted in the case of Grinols et al v. Obama et al on Jan. 30 when he failed to file a response within 21 days of being served notice of the suit. This case also involves Obamas phony SSN.

    The suit states:
    [I]nvestigator Albert Hendershot found in the database ofhttp://www.acxiom.com/identity-solutions/acxiom-identity-batch-solutions/ the name of the individual whose Social Security Obama is using. Acxciom-batch-solutions showed (Exhibit 1) that Harry J Bounel with the same Social Security number xxx-xx-4425 at 5046 S Greenwood Ave in Chicago, home address of Barack Obama, Database shows Bounel with the same address and Social Security number as Barack Obama himself. According to the databases last changes to the information on Harrison (Harry) J Bounel were made in and around November 2009 by Michelle Obama, who is listed as Bounels relative. Database changes can involve entering the information or deletion of information. It appears that changes made by relative Michelle Obama included deletion of information, which was done at a time when Taitz brought to Federal court in the Central District of California before Judge David O. Carter a case of election challenge by her client, former U.S. ambassador Dr. Alan Keyes and 40 state Representatives and high ranked members of the U.S. Military.

    Recently obtained results of the 1940 census, Exhibit 2, provided the last missing link, link (sic) between Harry J. Bounel and the date of birth of 1890. Exhibit 2 shows the printout of the U.S. census, showing Harry J Bounel, immigrant from Russia, residing at 915 Daly Ave, Bronx, NY, age 50 during the 1940 census, meaning he was born in 1890, as shown in the affidavit of Investigators Daniels and Sankey.

    There is a pattern of Obstruction of Justice and tampering with the official records and falsification/forgery of the official records related to Obama. This happens in particular when [George W.] Bush employees leave their positions and are replaced by Obama appointees.

    Taitz has asked for expedited default judgment and post judgment discovery in this case out of fear that any records on hand at the Social Security office will be destroyed when George W. Bush-appointed Commissioner Michael Astrue leaves office in February. Records that might have proven Obamas Selective Service registration was a forgery were destroyed in 2009 after Bush-appointed Selective Service Director William Chatfield resigned, Taitz alleges.

    The decision of the Supreme Court will be released on Tuesday.

    Source: The decision of the Supreme Court will be released on Tuesday | Dr. Orly Taitz, Esquire
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    A few questions:

    1. How much of this do you believe to be factual information? Perhaps not only the specific words, but the context the words convey.
    2. Do things like, "The articles posted represent only the opinion of the writers, do not necessarily represent the opinion of Dr. Taitz, Esq.
    Dr. Taitz, Esq. has no means of checking the veracity of all the claims and allegations in the articles
    ." and "World's Leading Obama Eligibility Challenge Web Site" imply that this person supports accurate information?
    3. It is widely believed that all of the birther, other, etc. theorist movements are largely money making schemes and fear mongering aimed at mobilizing a substantial portion of the poorly educated. Why does a multi-millionaire need donations from poor people?
    4. Orly Taitz has been repeatedly laughed out of court rooms, fined, sanctioned and was nearly disbarred. This is happening because she does not use facts, does not follow legal procedures and because her theories and legal arguments are insane. Can we trust anything a lunatic says?

    Look, I'm not saying whether or not the President is eligible or not, because I don't know. I suspect he is, because there is a ridiculously thorough vetting process, but it's not impossible for something to slip through the cracks. The bottom line is that this is a credibility issue. If a sane news organization was writing about a sane attorney filing suit based on evidence, yes relevant... otherwise this is the same lunatic fringe stuff that makes it really hard to hear the sane conservative positions. The 11% of the fringe that speak so loudly that they drown out the rest of the party need to be ignored, their positions debunked for the lunacy that they are, so that we can move on to actually important and productive dialogue.
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    I was just relaying the information as it came out. I offered no opinion, there was no bashing etc.

    As ,to what I believe as far as the truth behind this I think there is too much information that he has hidden on everything from his past. I do not believe he has been properly vetted. That's what this is about. Getting to the information, trying to find out why its all been hidden away from the public. I have a healthy distrust of any government official that hides so much of his life from the people he serves.

    I just think the truth needs to come out, once and for all so either way it ends.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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