Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

**kilofoxtrot** · 01-27-2013, 12:48 PM

I am not trying to diminish the 2nd Amendment, but am asking why some are absolutely non-compromising and vocal over 2nd Amendment and yet seem ambivalent about the Patriot Act and the 4th & 6th Amendment?

Those fervent supporters of the 2nd Amendment, like most people, only care if it personally affects them?

**sledge007** · 01-27-2013, 01:23 PM

Why is there a politics Forum on a Tech website? Who cares? This isn't a USA only site.

**mhans311** · 01-27-2013, 01:38 PM

Originally Posted by sledge007

Why is there a politics Forum on a Tech website? Who cares? This isn't a USA only site.

That's why this forum isn't called "USA politics". Why do you care anyway? Just don't go into the politics forum if you don't like it.

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**sledge007** · 01-27-2013, 01:43 PM

It's on the front page....not like I came looking for it on purpose.

**metz65** · 01-27-2013, 02:00 PM

But you did click on it, enter the thread and post in it. Interesting.

I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.

**rkeenan** · 01-27-2013, 02:14 PM

Originally Posted by kilofox

I am not trying to diminish the 2nd Amendment, but am asking why some are absolutely non-compromising and vocal over 2nd Amendment and yet seem ambivalent about the Patriot Act and the 8th Amendment?

Those fervent supporters of the 2nd Amendment, like most people, only care if it personally affects them?

People shouldn't have to justify exercising their rights. I am not a fan of either party. I voted for Gary Johnson for President. I am against the Patriot Act and indefinite detention. Do not assume pigeon hole anyone until you know their actual stance. The reason most people don't care about the Patriot Act is because they do not know what it entails or they believe that they are not doing anything wrong. It is a breach of privacy but most people just give you a glassy eyed look when discussing it. I am for increasing background checks but I am against the banning of any weapons. I also think we need a better grasp of psychological disorders and how they are can worsen with SSRI use. A gun doesn't kill a person, it is the deranged person who is pulling the trigger. Cure the mental illness and these mass shootings will not happen as often.

**rkeenan** · 01-27-2013, 02:18 PM

And the 8th amendment is about abolishing slavery, so idk what the OP is referring to.

**kilofoxtrot** · 01-27-2013, 02:23 PM

Originally Posted by rkeenan

People shouldn't have to justify exercising their rights. I am not a fan of either party. I voted for Gary Johnson for President. I am against the Patriot Act and indefinite detention. Do not assume pigeon hole anyone until you know their actual stance. The reason most people don't care about the Patriot Act is because they do not know what it entails or they believe that they are not doing anything wrong. It is a breach of privacy but most people just give you a glassy eyed look when discussing it. I am for increasing background checks but I am against the banning of any weapons. I also think we need a better grasp of psychological disorders and how they are can worsen with SSRI use. A gun doesn't kill a person, it is the deranged person who is pulling the trigger. Cure the mental illness and these mass shootings will not happen as often.

rkeenan... I said "some"... so I am not pigeon holing everyone exercising rights concerning the 2nd amendment. I am just going based on what I have encountered personally via discussion with co-workers, friends and my Facebook Feed.

I dont think I'm alone in this experience. However, I could be wrong.

You are spot on about the lack of knowledge about the Patriot Act.

**kilofoxtrot** · 01-27-2013, 02:24 PM

Originally Posted by rkeenan

And the 8th amendment is about abolishing slavery, so idk what the OP is referring to.

Sorry... 4th Amendment.

**rexxman** · 01-27-2013, 03:53 PM

Originally Posted by rkeenan

And the 8th amendment is about abolishing slavery, so idk what the OP is referring to.

Nope. The 13th amendment abolished slavery.

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**rkeenan** · 01-27-2013, 04:46 PM

Originally Posted by rexxman

Nope. The 13th amendment abolished slavery.

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My bad, was getting ed at by the gf when typing. 8th amendment is Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Thank you for the correction.

**Retinella** · 01-27-2013, 05:02 PM

It's because the people of this country have messed-up priorities. Don't you remember? It's only about the three "G's:" guns, god, and gays.

**rexxman** · 01-27-2013, 07:39 PM

Originally Posted by rkeenan

My bad, was getting ed at by the gf when typing. 8th amendment is Cruel and Unusual Punishment. Thank you for the correction.

Your'e welcome. :-)

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**Bratigan** · 02-01-2013, 08:53 AM

As a supporter of the Second Amendment, I also support all of the amendments as they were added legally to the constitution. I don't like the constitution
being attacked at all, especially if its being attacked by people who take an oath to uphold its tenets. It was conceived by people who were much more contemplative than
we are today and far less reactive. I site Mario Cuomo's son Andrew and his knee jerk reaction in New York State. Kilofox is correct that we should all protect and preserve
the constitution if that is in fact his message. I certainly do and I also am patient enough to go through the proper procedures to change it if the people will it.
What we have is very special and very much misunderstood because the schools don't teach its significance in the classroom. In the end what will be will be.

**Topgonzo** · 02-01-2013, 09:14 AM

Why are there topics like this? Go to another forum or website in getting tired of seeing political agendas in a place I really enjoy like my cell phone and gadgets

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**Live2ride883** · 02-01-2013, 10:24 AM

Originally Posted by Topgonzo

Why are there topics like this? Go to another forum or website in getting tired of seeing political agendas in a place I really enjoy like my cell phone and gadgets

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This topic along with others in the Politics section are in the Lounge or off topic area. This area is for those of us that wish to discuss the politics of our(or any) nation. A few nights ago there was a rather lively discussion on another thread in the political section and since it was fairly late and a weekend it caused this to be on the hot board.

As for why we have this discussion here well for one that's what this section is for, and speaking for myself only AC is one of my favorite forums. I value the opinions of other members here as well even though at times we disagree.

We are not impacting anyone's use of the other sections of AC in any way shape or form.

**metz65** · 02-01-2013, 10:42 AM

People just like to whine. Bottom line is even if the subject shows nobody is forced to open the thread and read it. Nothing but more liberal "I don't like it it shouldn't exist bs".

I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.

**rkeenan** · 02-01-2013, 11:20 AM

Originally Posted by Topgonzo

Why are there topics like this? Go to another forum or website in getting tired of seeing political agendas in a place I really enjoy like my cell phone and gadgets

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Or else you could go to another forum that doesn't include android and politics. If you don't want to be apart of the politics forum, then don't be in it. No one invited you in here. Do you go into forums of Android devices that you don't own and tell people they don't deserve to be talking about it because you don't own the device? Seriously, if you don't want to be in here, then leave. Your opinion has little value.

**cdicesare2002** · 02-03-2013, 09:16 AM

Also it is easier for the average folks to protect the constitution and amendments if we can overthrow the government if they go to far. Lose the second amendment and I would have to buy the guns from the thug down the street if we had to have another government change like in 1776.

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**Irate Iguana** · 02-09-2013, 08:12 PM

'Cause untrained people with AK-47s can beat the entire US military that has tanks, planes, bombs, etc.
I am for the 2nd amendment, but saying we need it for protection from tyranny is a little hopeful.

**Nate456** · 02-09-2013, 08:31 PM

Originally Posted by Irate Iguana

'Cause untrained people with AK-47s can beat the entire US military that has tanks, planes, bombs, etc.
I am for the 2nd amendment, but saying we need it for protection from tyranny is a little hopeful.

Just because the US military is part is the government doesn't mean they agree with all the choices.

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**cdicesare2002** · 02-09-2013, 09:04 PM

Originally Posted by Irate Iguana

'Cause untrained people with AK-47s can beat the entire US military that has tanks, planes, bombs, etc.
I am for the 2nd amendment, but saying we need it for protection from tyranny is a little hopeful.

Hmmm I see people in Iraq and Afghanistan doing just fine without tanks and planes and a bombs are simple enough to make, just flip on the news, IEDs all over it. And history is full of the underdog winning. Russian revolution is a good example, they were outclassed in every way and the reds still won, and I would guess some military would join giving some supply and training...and don't forget about us ex-military who remember how it all works.

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**Live2ride883** · 02-09-2013, 10:10 PM

I seem to remember the Afghanistan warriors chasing the Russians out of their country.

**kilofoxtrot** · 02-10-2013, 08:41 AM

I want to get back to the subject.... why are people that are upset over the 2nd Amendment. Saying NOTHING about the gutting of the 4th and 6th amendment by the Patriot Act???

Fourth Amendment – Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

Sixth Amendment – Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

Here is what is really crazy..... the Patriot Act is a reality. And nary a peep from the conservative population that is obsessed with protecting their 2nd amendment rights.

I have asked myself over and over how conservatives view Obama in light of what his predecessor did:

Bengahzi vs Iraq
Gun Control vs 4th & 6th Amendment & The Patriot Act
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) vs Medicare Part D

After much consideration I have found the answer:

**backbeat** · 02-10-2013, 12:53 PM

Originally Posted by kilofox

I have asked myself over and over how conservatives view Obama in light of what his predecessor did:

Bengahzi vs Iraq
Gun Control vs 4th & 6th Amendment & The Patriot Act
The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) vs Medicare Part D

Besides the fact that only Congress can dismantle the Patriot Act/FISA and that the President is bound by its existing law ..... the main differences? .....

We now have a Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Liberal-Extremist Document Forger (who is actually none of these things, for the uninitiated) with a D behind his name elected to lead the Executive Branch ... of course.

The interweb forum posts of those who now, conveniently, say that they opposed Bush are conspicuously absent. I wonder why ......