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    Have evangelicals hurt the republican party???.... I think it has.

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    There was even a time the Republicans were pro-union, pro-labor. Those days were lost years ago. Now they just represent the rich and could care less about the working class.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    Have evangelicals hurt the republican party???.... I think it has.

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    There was even a time the Republicans were pro-union, pro-labor. Those days were lost years ago. Now they just represent the rich and could care less about the working class.
    There was a time when Liberals cared about civil liberties. Now that Obama is president, then things like Gitmo, the Patriot Act and NDAA idenfinite detention are fine since a Republican president is not signing them. I do not align myself with the Left or the Right but I love pointing this out to show how hypocritical Democrats are. This isn't an attempt to start a flame war, because I have better things to do with my time...but yes, both parties have went to crap. Barry Goldwater was my favorite Republican Presidential candidate and my favorite President was Kennedy. The early 60s wer3 the golden era of American politics minus that scumbag LBJ. I liked Reagan's rhetoric but he was a moderate. His increase in federal spending cannot be called conservative. I am a libertarian and both parties pretty much disgust me. They are shell of what they used to be.
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    That disastrous potential has been met.

    Although Ike could barely spur economic job growth during his 8 years, he was in a unique position to deliver the wisdom of his fears for this nation.
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    Fox News has hurt the GOP.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolittdroid View Post
    Fox News has hurt the GOP.

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    I think they did to an extent. IMO Roger Ailes, O'Reilly and Hannity hurt the GOP. America needed a conservative network but Fox News really messed that up by pandering to the Christian right. Fox Business has a few good programs like Stossel. Reason TV online is another one to checkout. I don't like Huckabee or Glenn Beck either.
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    The issue I see with the republican party is that they are a coalition party made up with groups that take a no-compromise view of what the party should be, namely the Christian Right and the Tea Party.

    I voted republican most of my adult life. I always scoffed when I heard the term, neo-conservative. But in the past decade, I have come to realize that the republican party is NOT the party of Goldwater or even Reagan for that matter. Its morphed into a party that believes that: corporations are people, believes that women who use birth control are sluts, educated people are snobs, gay americans are abominations, the poor deserve to be poor, union workers are socialist thugs, the unemployed are parasites, latinos are illegal immigrants until proven otherwise, the bible trumps our constitution, global warming is a hoax and so on and so on.

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    The last shot for a Goldwater was Ron Paul and he was defeated by that snake Romney.
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    I'm pretty moderate but if the GOP ever wants to take office again they need to stop picking and choosing what issues they're religious and conservative about.

    A true conservative wants less govt involvement, right? So less gun control, regulation, funding etc.. So why are they heck bent on supporting Israel? Because they hate and fear Muslims. Why are they heck bent against equal access to birth control? Because they don't realize abstinence doesn't work. Why are they against gay marriage? Because they're homophobic and are pro-gender roles.

    They refuse to move with the times. Literal biblism is relatively new.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Revisionist history at its finest.
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    Revisionist history at its finest.
    No. Just history of which today's GOP would prefer you weren't aware. Unfortunately for your point and today's GOP, both Rachel and I know of that which we speak.

    Republican Party Platforms: Republican Party Platform of 1956

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    No. Just history of which today's GOP would prefer you weren't aware. Unfortunately for your point and today's GOP, both Rachel and I know of that which we speak.

    Republican Party Platforms: Republican Party Platform of 1956

    http://forward-now.com/wp-content/up...Eisenhower.jpg
    Like I said, revisionist history. The loopholes in the 91% income tax were so huge, that no one paid that tax rate. Here is an article to help you out. Also, Eisenhower would have been against the NDAA Indefinite Dentention, Gitmo and the Partiot Act. Liberals loved to bash Bush about Gitmo and Patriot Act but it is fine for Obama to do it? Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.
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    And this is from your article under the heading Taxation and Fiscal policy

    "In order to progress further in correcting the unfortunate results of unwise financial management during 20 years of Democrat Administrations, we pledge to pursue the following objectives:

    Further reductions in Government spending as recommended in the Hoover Commission Report, without weakening the support of a superior defense program or depreciating the quality of essential services of government to our people.

    Continued balancing of the budget, to assure the financial strength of the country which is so vital to the struggle of the free world in its battle against Communism; and to maintain the purchasing power of a sound dollar, and the value of savings, pensions and insurance.

    Gradual reduction of the national debt."

    None of those are platforms of the Democratic party.
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    Here is JFK's stand on income tax cuts. I support liberal libertarians like the Kennedy brothers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkeenan View Post
    Like I said, revisionist history. The loopholes in the 91% income tax were so huge, that no one paid that tax rate. Here is an article to help you out. Also, Eisenhower would have been against the NDAA Indefinite Dentention, Gitmo and the Partiot Act. Liberals loved to bash Bush about Gitmo and Patriot Act but it is fine for Obama to do it? Liberal hypocrisy at its finest.
    Your point only proves that you're not actually listening to liberals if you continue to believe they aren't pressing Obama over those very issues. And those liberals are yesterday's conservatives. The millions who were in the streets in the mid-2000s had greatly subsided before Bush was finally shown the door. Is that unfortunate? Yes, extremely so? Is it hypocrisy? Absolutely not.

    Nice of you to point out only one tangential issue that covered 8 years of conservative history. Are there other inconsistencies between today's liberal and Eisenhower? Of course, as was admitted up front. Yet, your point also underscores the historical fact that Obama is not a liberal. Your point also reluctantly admits that today's GOP has defined Obama as a liberal to those inclined to believe their marketing lies.
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    I am neither a supporter of GOP or DNC. I have been registered a Demo since I was old enough to vote. Two years ago I switched to Independent. I voted for Obama for his first term but he did not carry out what he campaigned on. He did not withdraw troops from overseas, Patriot act, close Gitmo, etc. Obama would be a progressive like FDR which is a form of liberalism. I criticized Bush when he was in office and now I am criticizing Obama for the same thing because I stand on principle, not on party platforms.

    I am done arguing my point. If you feel that liberalism is conservatism from years ago, I won't be able to change your mind. Conservatives are supposed to be about small government and low taxes. I do not understand how you can find that in modern liberalism. Look at the recent tax increase and large deficit if you need an example.

    When I start criticizing the Left, I am immediately pegged as neoconservative. I am a libertarian and I dislike both parties.

    Neocons, Roger Ailes, and the Christian Right have destroyed the GOP. Reagan had great rhetoric but was an awful President because his policies did not reflect his rhetoric. I do not see our country moving in a direction that I want to be apart of. I will be voting with my feet as soon as I finish my BA. I am still deciding on Russia or Norway. This country will be moving towards modern liberalism or modern conservatism. I am not a fan of either ideology, so I am completely at peace with leaving.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rkeenan View Post
    If you feel that liberalism is conservatism from years ago, I won't be able to change your mind. Conservatives are supposed to be about small government and low taxes. I do not understand how you can find that in modern liberalism.
    Pragmatic centrists, like Obama, are yesterday's conservatives. One has to appreciate the context of what yesterday's moderate conservative generally represented. The GOP of only 20 years ago is completely foreign (and completely unacceptable) to what passes for it today.

    This oft-repeated bumper-sticker about "small government/low taxes" is only a slogan. Unless this nation is prepared to become truly isolationist, in pre-WW1 terms whereby we extract our economic, humanitarian, and military re$ource$ from Israel and every other nation, the US tax payer is funding the world. Not even today's rabid excuse-for-conservatives have the spine to confront this reality. Instead, they propose to place more burden upon the poor and middle-class through sequester and austerity. Measures, both of which the rest of the civilized world has proven, are caustic to economic growth. It is my opinion that US military resources (international) and aid which is earmarked for the military defense of other nations be the first scaled back.
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    Sad part is there a lot of stuff Obama has done wrong that I do not agree with and same for the democrates. Just the GOP has gone so far ultra concervative that I can not bring myself to vote for them at all.

    It would be great if I could vote for the better candidate instead of the smaller of 2 huge piles of Crap because no matter who you vote for you are still voting in a huge piled of crap.
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