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    Default Re: Joe Biden tips for self-defense: get a shotgun

    An ar-15 is not military grade (select fire) hardware, it is the civilian version of the m4 carbine. The ar-15 is semi-automatic which fires one round for each pull of the trigger.

    The m4 is selective fire, which means it can be semi automatic as described above, it can fire a 3 round burst, or it can be fully automatic.

    In the first link below pay particular attention to the second paragraph concerning the ar-15. (The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.)


    These additional links are to show source information for the definitions used.
    M4 Carbine:
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    Nope, cause landmines in your yard is not legal nor or RPG's.

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    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    Lol wait, I thought you wanted unrestricted choice of weapons? You said "I can choose whatever I want to defend myself!"

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    Nope not unrestricted. That would be insane.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    As was pointed out in another thread a member of the military cannot use their own personal weapons in place of the one issued to them.

    Also I was not ordered to surrender my personal firearms.
    Not the question asked. Try again?
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    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    It's isn't true to say "Because of the 2nd Amendment, I have the right to choose any weapon I desire to defend myself."

    You have the right to defend yourself and bear arms, but that right is not extended to ANY weapon. The principle is that you can have a weapon, but not just any weapon.

    The reason for Mr. Biden's point.


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    Never said "any weapon" at all. The lies about the guns these days is the problem. Semi-automatic guns still only shoot 1 bullet per trigger pull.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cschaepe View Post
    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Military assault weapons??

    See? The lies and misinformation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    I don't want someone making the choice for ME
    As a citizen in a civil society, that choice is, has, and always will be made for you.

    The fear mongering and lies about AR-15's is just stupid.
    This simply isn't happening.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cschaepe View Post
    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Assault weapons (select fire) have not been available (legally) for civilians to purchase new since the mid 80's. Select fire assault weapons manufactured prior to 86 I think was the year are still available for purchase by civilians. However they require an extensive background check by the FBI/ATF, local law enforcement also has to sign off and be advised in advance of anytime you transport the weapon. There are also significant fee's and taxes not to mention the constantly rising price of these weapons as there are fewer available every year.

    If droidmemy decides a shotgun is fine for defense of his home then I have no problem with that, if he chooses not to own any weapon for self defense that is his choice as well. However if I decide that my home and property need a weapon that has sufficient stopping power, ease of use, and accuracy for protection then that is my choice.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rexxman View Post
    No disrespect Kelly. We are discussing self defense. I think that means, in most cases, the danger is a lot closer then we want it to be.

    Not arguing your choice of armament.

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    That's a good point. Despite the protests of Live2Ride, the fact is, the M4 carbine is intended to be a long range weapon. And self defense is about protecting your life. It doesn't require long-range stopping power.

    I don't see how a rifle barrel for long range is necessary for self defense. Sorry. I also have a choice of weapons to defend myself. And I fail to see the need for an assault rifle. In fact, I don't even carry a weapon.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    Nope, cause landmines in your yard is not legal nor or RPG's.
    And that choice/decision of legality was not made by you.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rexxman View Post
    No disrespect Kelly. We are discussing self defense. I think that means, in most cases, the danger is a lot closer then we want it to be.

    Not arguing your choice of armament.

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    I do not want my target to have to be right in front of me either.

    Also a shotgun is not good when I go out and CCW.

    There is a reason the Clinton ban was not renewed.

    First, most things that clasify something as an assault weapon, is cosmetic. Second very few assault weapons were used in crimes,it is generally handguns.

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    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    That's a good point. Despite the protests of Live2Ride, the fact is, the M4 carbine is intended to be a long range weapon. And self defense is about protecting your life. It doesn't require long-range stopping power.

    I don't see how a rifle barrel for long range is necessary for self defense. Sorry. I also have a choice of weapons to defend myself. And I fail to see the need for an assault rifle. In fact, I don't even carry a weapon.

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    An M4 Carbine is a select fire military weapon. An ar-15 is the semi-automatic CIVILIAN version of that weapon.

    Once again talk to the shop owners that successfully defended their stores during the LA riots with........ ar-15's
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    And that choice of legality was not made by you.
    What??

    Ummm...they represent us or they are SUPPOSED to. "We the People" not We the Government.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    Never said "any weapon" at all. The lies about the guns these days is the problem. Semi-automatic guns still only shoot 1 bullet per trigger pull.

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    Well you did but I will let that slide. Now that we have agreed that there should restrictions the question is what restrictions. The current proposal revolves around mag size and physical configuration. I haven't heard any lies about the ar15 I know what it can do without having to fire one.

    30000 guns deaths a year and people think the problem is not enough guns.

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    Default Re: Joe Biden tips for self-defense: get a shotgun

    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    I do not want my target to have to be right in front of me either.

    Also a shotgun is not good when I go out and CCW.

    There is a reason the Clinton ban was not renewed.

    First, most things that clasify something as an assault weapon, is cosmetic. Second very few assault weapons were used in crimes,it is generally handguns.
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    Talk to the shop owners that successfully drove off robbers with handguns?

    C'mon, this tit for tat is kind of silly.

    *edit* oh, and you didn't refute the fact that the M4 is a long range weapon? You're a military guy, you know that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    What??

    Ummm...they represent us or they are SUPPOSED to. "We the People" not We the Government.
    Can't come to terms that you have your choices made for you in a civil society? Bummer, huh?
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    Default Re: Joe Biden tips for self-defense: get a shotgun

    Quote Originally Posted by droidmyme View Post
    Talk to the shop owners that successfully drove off robbers with handguns?

    C'mon, this tit for tat is kind of silly.
    What does one expect from the intellectually unarmed?
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    Quote Originally Posted by cschaepe View Post
    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Military grade weapons can be owned by citizens. It is a big deal and a lot of money to own one. A semi-automatic rifle is NOT a military grade weapon.

    An AR-15 is a high powered .22 and a semi-auto handgun is not military grade. You seem to think these are automatic machine guns.

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    Default Re: Joe Biden tips for self-defense: get a shotgun

    No one ... and I mean no one ... is making this about an AR-15 except the gun nutters. Remind them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    Military grade weapons can be owned by citizens. It is a big deal and a lot of money to own one. A semi-automatic rifle is NOT a military grade weapon.

    An AR-15 is a high powered .22 and a semi-auto handgun is not military grade. You seem to think these are automatic machine guns.

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    I never did say the word automatic did I? That would seem to be your lie or at least a misrepresentation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Can't come to terms that you have your choices made for you in a civil society? Bummer, huh?
    Not when they violate the 2nd Amendment . Guess what? The law is not what keeps me from robbing, killing, etc.

    Laws don't stop anyone. They only serve to be able to punish. If laws stopped people then there would be no crime. We don't punish people here for what others do, or we aren't supposed to. I'm not into punishing law abiders for the actions of criminals.

    OK, done with this, not wasting my time with people that aren't even talking facts and truth but rather myth put out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kelly Kearns View Post
    Not when they violate the 2nd Amendment
    And you have never had a say in how the 2nd amendment is defined or carried out in society, therefore your peanut-gallery claim of 'violate' is laughable. Nor should you, as mob-mentality is quite prevalent and overly easy to ignite. Yet, you live with the limitations imposed that have defined it. And you will continue to. Funny how that works, isn't it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Tell it to this guy: [Miami Police Chief John Timoney (pictured in 2007) says assault weapons were used in about 4 percent of all homicides in 2004 in Miami as the ban expired. Now, Timoney says, the number is about 21 percent.

    He may just be more intellectually honest, experienced, and knowledgeable than all the 2nd amendment chickenhawks - combined.

    A fact that your own link fails to mention is that the specific bushmaster ar-15 used in Colorado is known to jam when you attempt to fire it at a rate above 12-15 rounds per minute. This is a known issue with this weapon.

    More information on automatic weapons..

    The Gun Control Act of 1968 ceased the import of foreign-manufactured fully automatic firearms for civilian sales and possession. The ATF enforced a provision banning importation of small arms from Communist Bloc nations without a trade agreement with the United States. This ban is still enforced with the former Soviet Union republics and post-Communist Eastern European nations without USA trade agreements. A few Communist nations e.g. China and the former Yugoslavia have trade agreements with the United States.

    In 1986, an amendment called the Firearm Owners Protection Act stopped all domestic manufacturing of fully automatic weapons for civilian use. Fully automatic weapons are still manufactured in the US for military and law enforcement use. However, automatic firearms manufactured domestically prior to 1986 or imported prior to 1968 may be transferred between civilians in accordance with federal, state and local law. A number of Soviet and PRC rifles were brought into the U.S. during the mid-1960s, when returning Vietnam veterans brought them home after capture from enemy troops. Some of these were properly registered during the amnesty period under the 1968 NFA law.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cschaepe View Post
    Well you did but I will let that slide. Now that we have agreed that there should restrictions the question is what restrictions. The current proposal revolves around mag size and physical configuration. I haven't heard any lies about the ar15 I know what it can do without having to fire one.

    30000 guns deaths a year and people think the problem is not enough guns.

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    How many of those 30000 you mentioned were by rifle, shotgun. I believe that according to FBI stats there were more gun deaths committed with shotguns than rifles.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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