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    Quote Originally Posted by cdmjlt369 View Post
    Bases and munitions depots are excellent targets for raids. (Theoretically). And don't think that some people haven't acquired other skills and useful knowledge.
    Bases and munition depots are excellent targets, but they would be defended. We shouldn't expect anyone to give them up without a fight.

    Acquired skills and useful knowledge can give a tactical advantage in theory. I like what you're thinking. Which ones do you have in mind?
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexlam24 View Post
    Who needs guns when just one nuclear bomb from the Soviet Union can destroy a whole country?

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    Or any nuclear bomb from any country

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    Russia still has 240 nuclear bombs missing from the 90s

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott7217 View Post
    Bases and munition depots are excellent targets, but they would be defended. We shouldn't expect anyone to give them up without a fight.

    Acquired skills and useful knowledge can give a tactical advantage in theory. I like what you're thinking. Which ones do you have in mind?
    This country is full of computer hacks, ex-military experienced personnel and chemists just to name a few of potential problems.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairclough View Post
    Its possible to put the genie in the bottle. We were in the exact same spot. The difference is we changed our view of what gun use is acceptable for, what we can obtain it for and limited access to weapons which fire rapidly and those which did for cattle farmers limited the rounds.


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    Your country has a completely different history and is only 10℅ the size of the US. What works there would never work in America.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alexlam24 View Post
    Russia still has 240 nuclear bombs missing from the 90s
    What's even worse is that there are probably a lot of ex-Soviet engineers and scientists involved in their weapons program who are out of work ever since the end of the Cold War. I could easily see some rich oil-producing country hiring them to jump start another weapons program.
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    10% of the populatuon, almost the same geographical size to patrol the boarders and were doing fine.
    Then again, Japan about half the size of your population is doing significantly better even with universal health care.
    Seems any system which works outside of America, is viewed as "wont work here"
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    10% of the populatuon, almost the same geographical size to patrol the boarders and were doing fine.
    Then again, Japan about half the size of your population is doing significantly better even with universal health care.
    Seems any system which works outside of America, is viewed as "wont work here"
    That is pretty typical for us in the states. We have some very wealthy entities that spend a lot of money on a lot of misconceptions propaganda. "Socialized medicine like in Europe and our neighbors in Canada? Won't work here, we're not socialists here!", "Gun control that actually makes sense? Won't work here, we're a freedom loving country". It's actually kind of sad really. One of our bigger strengths can be our national pride, but it's also one of our biggest problems and is one of the reason we can be somewhat isolationists and hated by a lot of the world (which is actually perfectly fine by a lot of my countrymen).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fairclough View Post
    10% of the populatuon, almost the same geographical size to patrol the boarders and were doing fine.
    Then again, Japan about half the size of your population is doing significantly better even with universal health care.
    Seems any system which works outside of America, is viewed as "wont work here"
    So water locked borders equal borders that essentially a fence... Right...
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    There's a reason why so many people come to the U.S. and people can hang on to the notions that misconceptions are being thrown around about gun control, government healthcare. There's plenty of evidence to go around that these aren't misconceptions.

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    There's a reason why so many people come to the U.S. and people can hang on to the notions that misconceptions are being thrown around about gun control, government healthcare. There's plenty of evidence to go around that these aren't misconceptions.

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    I'm all ears err eyes. A couple of misconceptions that you could possibly clear up for me; if we are required to be licensed, maintain insurance, and annually register our vehicles, why can't we require the same for guns? How is a more strict background check an infringement of someone's rights? How does limiting how many rounds a magazine can hold an infringement as well?

    As far as government provided healthcare goes, we have government provide us with policing and fire protection. If we were to turn our police departments and fire departments over to the private sector, what would happen if we were late on a payment to one of those departments? Would they not be required to intervene if we were victims of a crime? If our house was on fire and we hadn't paid our dues for that month, would the fire department be obligated to put out a fire?

    We entrust these entities to the public sector for the commonwealth of the community. If we entrust these types of entities to the private sector where profit is the main motive, what corners can we expect to be cut in an attempt to save money? The same should hold true for healthcare as far as I'm concerned. I don't want my health to be part of some equation on some insurance company's ledger. We're already seeing how "altruistic" the private sector can be when it comes to healthcare. Take all the crying over birth control. People claim that their morality dictates that it shouldn't be provided for by an employers healthcare provider because it violates their "moral code". Yet you don't hear the same argument being made for denying Viagra. To me Viagra, Cialis, and the other ED drugs are more indicative of a person's intentions to have recreational sex than birth control, especially when the birth control is being prescribed to someone that has heavy menstrual cycles and the birth control is a way of minimizing the symptoms. A man that's seeking Viagra is generally an elderly man who has no intentions of procreating, they just want a "good time". But since we live in a distorted society, no one questions why people believe birth control dispensing is a moral issue, but ED drug dispensing, that's a god send. And before any man claims "Well a marriage needs physical intimacy and sometimes that's not possible", you can't insist that one form of recreational sex is acceptable and another form isn't.

    Feel free to take your time. I threw a lot out there and the coffee is wearing off so I won't be proofreading....
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    I'm all ears err eyes. A couple of misconceptions that you could possibly clear up for me; if we are required to be licensed, maintain insurance, and annually register our vehicles, why can't we require the same for guns? How is a more strict background check an infringement of someone's rights? How does limiting how many rounds a magazine can hold an infringement as well?
    The reason those auto laws exist is because you have to drive on government owned roads. You can drive whatever you want however you want with no restrictions or requirements on private property if you choose. Just not public roads.

    I could get behind universal background checks(as long as some sort of private sale and gun show provisions are made) and a few other of the "common sense" gun control proposals if it were not for the fact that it would never stop there. We would never have a law for JUST background checks. It would be a law with 100-1000 other garbage requirements. The largest thing holding up any kind of gun legislation are the people trying to get it passed. Nothing is ever enough. And at a time when trust in the government is at an all time low...


    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    We entrust these entities to the public sector for the commonwealth of the community. If we entrust these types of entities to the private sector where profit is the main motive, what corners can we expect to be cut in an attempt to save money? The same should hold true for healthcare as far as I'm concerned. I don't want my health to be part of some equation on some insurance company's ledger. We're already seeing how "altruistic" the private sector can be when it comes to healthcare. Take all the crying over birth control. People claim that their morality dictates that it shouldn't be provided for by an employers healthcare provider because it violates their "moral code". Yet you don't hear the same argument being made for denying Viagra. To me Viagra, Cialis, and the other ED drugs are more indicative of a person's intentions to have recreational sex than birth control, especially when the birth control is being prescribed to someone that has heavy menstrual cycles and the birth control is a way of minimizing the symptoms. A man that's seeking Viagra is generally an elderly man who has no intentions of procreating, they just want a "good time". But since we live in a distorted society, no one questions why people believe birth control dispensing is a moral issue, but ED drug dispensing, that's a god send. And before any man claims "Well a marriage needs physical intimacy and sometimes that's not possible", you can't insist that one form of recreational sex is acceptable and another form isn't.
    I will never understand why birth control or viagra is a "healthcare" concern. If you need it, muster up the money for it. Dont require the tax payer or employer to pay for your sex habits that, last time i checked, had little to do with general health.

    On top of that, some religious groups do not believe in birth control. Requiring them to pay for it infringes on their rights whether you believe that the tax payer should pick it up or not.
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    The reason those auto laws exist is because you have to drive on government owned roads. You can drive whatever you want however you want with no restrictions or requirements on private property if you choose. Just not public roads.

    I could get behind universal background checks(as long as some sort of private sale and gun show provisions are made) and a few other of the "common sense" gun control proposals if it were not for the fact that it would never stop there. We would never have a law for JUST background checks. It would be a law with 100-1000 other garbage requirements. The largest thing holding up any kind of gun legislation are the people trying to get it passed. Nothing is ever enough. And at a time when trust in the government is at an all time low...
    The only problem that I can see with the provisions is those tend to turn into loopholes. When you consider a lot of the mass shootings take place in public locations, you can make an argument that a lot of the guns out there are introduced into public sector and thus should be subject to registration like vehicles. What gets me about the gun lobby is they don't even want to have any discussions.




    Quote Originally Posted by NoYankees44 View Post
    I will never understand why birth control or viagra is a "healthcare" concern. If you need it, muster up the money for it. Dont require the tax payer or employer to pay for your sex habits that, last time i checked, had little to do with general health.

    On top of that, some religious groups do not believe in birth control. Requiring them to pay for it infringes on their rights whether you believe that the tax payer should pick it up or not.
    I actually knew a woman that would have such horrible menstrual symptoms that she was rendered incapacitated for the most part because of her periods. Her doctor would prescribe birth control to help her cope with the symptoms. I'm not sure how easy it would be for a drug company to relabel those prescriptions something other than "birth-control", but I have a feeling that the fight over birth control is more about an employer being forced to cover their employee and not really about their 'moral belief'. I also think that sexual health should be something that's covered. What would happen if an employee contracted an STD? Could the employer fire the employee and strip them of their healthcare because the employee engaged in recreational sex? I'd personally hate to be subjected to my employer's moral code. There's just something tyrannical about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    The only problem that I can see with the provisions is those tend to turn into loopholes. When you consider a lot of the mass shootings take place in public locations, you can make an argument that a lot of the guns out there are introduced into public sector and thus should be subject to registration like vehicles. What gets me about the gun lobby is they don't even want to have any discussions.
    Every state has restrictions about carrying weapons in public already...

    Any restriction implemented will NEVER be reverted. One miss step and a ban or regulation goes through that could cost gun owners significant rights and freedoms. It is more logical and safer at this point to flat out avoid the issue. Especially when the anti-gun complex is working to ban weapons completely. The trust is not there to compromise at the moment.


    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    I actually knew a woman that would have such horrible menstrual symptoms that she was rendered incapacitated for the most part because of her periods.
    I am VERY close to someone with this exact same issue, and i am fine with insurance covering the cost in this minority example as long as a doctor signs off on it. This has nothing to do with birth control being generally covered.


    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    Her doctor would prescribe birth control to help her cope with the symptoms. I'm not sure how easy it would be for a drug company to relabel those prescriptions something other than "birth-control", but I have a feeling that the fight over birth control is more about an employer being forced to cover their employee and not really about their 'moral belief'.
    Catholics have been against birth control forever. It is not an issue they are just now inventing.


    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    I also think that sexual health should be something that's covered. What would happen if an employee contracted an STD? Could the employer fire the employee and strip them of their healthcare because the employee engaged in recreational sex? I'd personally hate to be subjected to my employer's moral code. There's just something tyrannical about it.
    Forcing employer to provide a substance that they do not believe in has NOTHING to do with an employer firing someone over an employee doing something in their free time that they don't believe in. 2 completely separate topics.

    And if you generally do not trust your employer to do right by you in extreme circumstances, I suggest you find a new employer.
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    This country is full of computer hacks, ex-military experienced personnel and chemists just to name a few of potential problems.
    If the hackers, ex-military personnel, and chemists can match the US military, I would be impressed. I'm not sure if they would pose a significant threat, though. Do you have more details on what you have in mind?
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    If the hackers, ex-military personnel, and chemists can match the US military, I would be impressed. I'm not sure if they would pose a significant threat, though. Do you have more details on what you have in mind?
    Yeah the details are paranoia( or hope) the US government can destroy the country rather easily. Do you seriously think that the ex militias and scientists have the same level of access or can acquire the same level stuff as the real military or the Government?

    Maybe they could have a good rebellion I guess but they still don't stand a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott7217 View Post
    If the hackers, ex-military personnel, and chemists can match the US military, I would be impressed. I'm not sure if they would pose a significant threat, though. Do you have more details on what you have in mind?
    Hackers alone could cause significant problems. U.S. military is extremely computer/technology codependent. Thus a large portion of a supposed advantage. And a few skirmish wins here or there would lead to civilians obtaining better weaponry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TXGTOU View Post
    I'm all ears err eyes. A couple of misconceptions that you could possibly clear up for me; if we are required to be licensed, maintain insurance, and annually register our vehicles, why can't we require the same for guns? How is a more strict background check an infringement of someone's rights? How does limiting how many rounds a magazine can hold an infringement as well?

    As far as government provided healthcare goes, we have government provide us with policing and fire protection. If we were to turn our police departments and fire departments over to the private sector, what would happen if we were late on a payment to one of those departments? Would they not be required to intervene if we were victims of a crime? If our house was on fire and we hadn't paid our dues for that month, would the fire department be obligated to put out a fire?

    We entrust these entities to the public sector for the commonwealth of the community. If we entrust these types of entities to the private sector where profit is the main motive, what corners can we expect to be cut in an attempt to save money? The same should hold true for healthcare as far as I'm concerned. I don't want my health to be part of some equation on some insurance company's ledger. We're already seeing how "altruistic" the private sector can be when it comes to healthcare. Take all the crying over birth control. People claim that their morality dictates that it shouldn't be provided for by an employers healthcare provider because it violates their "moral code". Yet you don't hear the same argument being made for denying Viagra. To me Viagra, Cialis, and the other ED drugs are more indicative of a person's intentions to have recreational sex than birth control, especially when the birth control is being prescribed to someone that has heavy menstrual cycles and the birth control is a way of minimizing the symptoms. A man that's seeking Viagra is generally an elderly man who has no intentions of procreating, they just want a "good time". But since we live in a distorted society, no one questions why people believe birth control dispensing is a moral issue, but ED drug dispensing, that's a god send. And before any man claims "Well a marriage needs physical intimacy and sometimes that's not possible", you can't insist that one form of recreational sex is acceptable and another form isn't.

    Feel free to take your time. I threw a lot out there and the coffee is wearing off so I won't be proofreading....
    For one thing, you are talking of privileges when speaking of driving.

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    Americans take on military and loose are you serious?

    1st off a large portion of our men and women in uniform would go home to help defend their families. Most would bring with them anything that would be helpful including weapons and Intel. The vast majority of the militaries weapons are designed and made by civilian companies. They will have or know the means to incapacitate in a large part plus produce their own. So the military will basically be a shell of what it is today.

    We all know what two idiots in Boston did and the ensuing shut down of that city. Now that was just two idiots. So the remaining shell of a military does a few strikes and storm troopers through the streets. After a few skirmishes and photos of American citizen blown across a city street they just got another 100,000 enemies.

    Everyone wanting to fight the government lining up somewhere taking on the military is idiotic and might be some G.I. Joe wannabes dream for death. I believe it was Kennedy that had a study done on how many Americans fighting would it take to take down the Government and military I believe it was less than 7% of the population.

    Some perspective
    Afghanistan has approximately 1,000,000 guns in private hands. The government forces have approximately 52,000 and the police 70,000. The estimated total number of guns (both licit and illicit) held by civilians in the United States is 270,000,0001 to 310,000,000 The defense forces of the United States are reported to have 2,700,000 firearms. Now add in the numbers of backyard shops turning out millions of homemade bombs and rocket propelled grenades and ammo is mind boggling. No military U.S or other would ever believe they could beat the American citizens in this way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by alexlam24 View Post
    Who needs guns when just one nuclear bomb from the Soviet Union can destroy a whole country?
    Who needs a nuclear bomb when a bullet from a sniper can take out any politician you like?

    I'm not advocating it, I'm just making a point.
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    FYI this is probably not the appropriate venue to fantasize about murdering innocent people. Not sure if you made the connection, but the soldiers and police officers, etc that you're so eager to gun down in the streets are citizens also, and more importantly, they're human. What's the point in lying about supporting the troops while dreaming up ways to ensure they themselves never do make it home to their families? The government isn't a faceless inhuman entity, but it's We The People.

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