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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
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    Why didn't you just come out and say that your only purpose in these threads is to propagandize the issue and not to bother having a responsible, adult discussion free of partisan pettiness? Absolutists define themselves so clearly. Just an observation.
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    Anyone else notice the pro-gun control crowd always tells a lie then the truth on this issue?

    "no one wants to ban guns, we believe in the second amendment." <<<the lie

    "we just want to ban 'assault weapons' (despite the fact that there is no such thing) <<<the truth>>> because they are killing lots of people <<<another lie>>>



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    I agree with this very much. If we are to keep the constitution whole we must abide by the intent of the founders. Its pretty evident that a class system is currently
    closer to the surface. The political class is already afforded luxuries that the constituent is not eligible for and yet must pay for. I don't see that in the constitution or for that matter any of the documents that founded our nation. I would support this measure.
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    I absolutely hate the fact that Representatives, and Senators that only serve 1 four year term yet get their full salary as retirement for the rest of their life.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Here is a well thought out article from 2 women explaining why they have chosen an AR-15 for home defense. At its heart and overall I think this will answer a lot of the questions about why an AR-15 is desirable for protection.

    Now personally, I own several of these weapons and they are among the easiest to shoot.

    Here is a video of a young girl shooting an AR-15.

    Insert Sarcasm: "Weird, it's almost like she had to pull the trigger once, separately, for each individual round that she wanted to propel towards the target. It's almost like there is nothing military grade about this weapon, it being semi-automatic, and not even possessing a selector to switch to burst or full-auto mode. Could it be that the only difference between this and a Remington semi-auto, magazine fed .22 Rifle as sold by Walmart is the cosmetic design of the weapon? Oh noes, propaganda! You've misled me again! "Assault style weapon" doesn't have anything to do with assault rifles, such as the ACTUAL M16 or AK-47? Dare I suggest that it's incredibly difficult for Joe Schmoe to get a hold of either of those without being an active member of a military that is issuing said weapon? This is all just political and media spin to scare people? WHEN DID WE START DOING THAT? *End Sarcasm*

    Look folks. Lets be honest. This weapon is no more or less dangerous than a Clint Eastwood style Magnum 44 pistol or a .22 LR "pea shooter". It only looks menacing to people who don't know anything about the use of these weapons. If you want to make an argument that any weapon should be "banned", it should be pistols, because of the ability to conceal it and the numbers of pistols that are used in crimes and accidental shootings, as opposed to rifles. That being said, that argument was already lost long ago and it'd be a major fight to take it to the SCOTUS again. As everyone has stated, in the real world, banning these things make you exactly 0% more safe and because of the ineffectualness of the methodology, will force more drastic actions in the future following that failure. I agree we need to do something, but it needs to be based on logic and reason, not fear and hatred.
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    The Hustleman: I think I am gonna have to get a few of these soon to round out my collection.

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    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    My guess is that you are extremely book smart, but have no common sense. I'll bet that you are one of those people that regularly drive 60mph in the left lane of a 70mph interstate refusing to move over for faster traffic just because you can and that your personality is dryer than a popcorn fart. Please take your snobby arrogance and ignorance somewhere else. I was really hoping Jerry shut you up!

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    Quote Originally Posted by NothingIsTrue View Post
    If you want to make an argument that any weapon should be "banned", it should be pistols, because of the ability to conceal it and the numbers of pistols that are used in crimes and accidental shootings, as opposed to rifles.
    This is exactly the argument I made on 1/16. Then, fear-based propaganda set in.
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    If assault weapons are bad why does the DHS (Dept. of Homeland Security) want to buy 7,000 of them for personal defense. By the way these ones are select fire, which means they have the capacity for semi-automatic and automatic. They have also requested the 30 round high capacity magazines.

    If Assault Weapons Are BadWhy Does DHS Want to Buy 7,000 of Them for Personal Defense? | TheBlaze.com

    At the bottom of the page above there is also a link to an event where a home break in was thwarted by simply showing the AR-15. Here is that direct link as well.

    No Shots Fired: Home Intruders Decide Not to Stick Around After Seeing Their ‘Victim’ Holding an AR-15 | Video | TheBlaze.com
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    This is the type of person we need the media to report about nationwide instead of the villains.

    Gutsy grandma shoots at robber after attack | News - Home
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    This is the type of person we need the media to report about nationwide instead of the villains.

    Gutsy grandma shoots at robber after attack | News - Home
    A for effort, but REALLY need to work on her accuracy. This is a crowded, contained space and she apparently missed with every shot. This could have easily turned into a lot of bystanders getting hurt. I'm all for people protecting themselves, their families and their property as necessary, but if you're not trained with your weapon, it's more dangerous to you and everyone else than it is to the criminal. This lady had the guts, but apparently not the corresponding knowledge.
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    However I am glad she waited until he left the bus, yet I wonder why no one else on the bus got involved.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Even though this was not in the actual movie, you have to appreciate the pure simplistic approach.
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    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

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    Right. You just don't know what arms meant in 18th century English common law. Or militia. Or standing army.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    It's pretty straight forward. According to the context of the document, (the actual Constitution) the militia is any State organized and regulated military organization with Federal support in the way of providing provisions and arms.
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    Prior to the Bill of Rights, the Militia is only mentioned twice, in two subsequent bullets in Article 1: Section 8. Article 1 is devoted to enumerating the powers of Congress and Section 8 generally deals with their ability to legislate revenue and provide for the defense of the nation.

    The Congress shall have Power To lay and collect Taxes, Duties, Imposts and Excises, to pay the Debts and provide for the common Defence and general Welfare of the United States; but all Duties, Imposts and Excises shall be uniform throughout the United States;

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    To provide for calling forth the Militia to execute the Laws of the Union, suppress Insurrections and repel Invasions;

    To provide for organizing, arming, and disciplining, the Militia, and for governing such Part of them as may be employed in the Service of the United States, reserving to the States respectively, the Appointment of the Officers, and the Authority of training the Militia according to the discipline prescribed by Congress;


    Source: Transcript of the Constitution of the United States - Official Text

    The Bill of Rights, Amendment II then states:

    A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

    The capitalization of Militia indicates that this is an official organization, likely the one referenced in Art. 1 Sec. 8. Thus, if you are a member of the National Guard or other State sponsored and organized Militia, you are paid thusly by the Congress of the United States of America, who is also responsible for paying the bill for your Arms.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    While there have been many court interpretations of this statements, these 3 sentences, the original intent is pretty obvious. Then we arrive at the context. For the first 150 years of being a nation, the 2nd amendment was not thought of to be considered relevant to a person's right to own personal protection or hunting weapons and the supreme court affirmed this in 1939. It was generally understood that the states and local governments would regulate the ownership and use of weapons as they saw fit, which is precisely what happened. For examples, bans on firearms in the events that led up the the OK Corral. It was common sense that everyone could own reasonable weapons, and there were places where you could and could not have them.

    At the end of the 1960s this interpretation changed and eventually the SCOTUS made a decision that the right to bear arms was related to private citizens, and we've been arguing ever since. The bottom line is, that until about 50 years ago, it was COMMON SENSE that people could own weapons and that the local and state governments could regulate them. I'm not clear on how we got so confused on this, but with all the fear mongering, I thought it was time to clarify some of the context of the situation. The case law is fascinating, and I recommend reading it, not just the same 42 cases that get put up on specific websites, but really dig into it.
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    As a final thought. The 2nd amendment may not protect your rights in any way, however there is another concept that does. The federal government cannot restrict your ability to buy weapons in any way EXCEPT through their ability to regulate interstate commerce BECAUSE the constitution does not specifically enumerate that power to them. However, the States can, and I believe in some ways, such as automatic rifles, tanks, fighter jets, etc. they should. Lets lose the fear and the attitude and talk reasonably. We either follow the constitution, as written, without spin or we ignore it. Taking pieces of it and throwing out other pieces is a surefire way for us to spend eternity arguing about nothing.
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    Also, I am very aware of DC v Heller, and take it as binding until reversed, however I also believe that Jefferson would have beaten the tar out of those Justices before hanging them at a Philadelphia sunrise were he to have been privy to their arguments on this and many other cases.
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    Default Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    I am not trying to diminish the 2nd Amendment, but am asking why some are absolutely non-compromising and vocal over 2nd Amendment and yet seem ambivalent about the Patriot Act and the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Those fervent supporters of the 2nd Amendment, like most people, only care if it personally affects them?
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    I absolutely hate the fact that Representatives, and Senators that only serve 1 four year term yet get their full salary as retirement for the rest of their life.
    I believe your are mistaken here.

    http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...22%40%20%20%0A

    "Congressional pensions, like those of other federal employees, are financed through a
    combination of employee and employer contributions. All Members pay Social Security payroll
    taxes equal to 6.2% of the Social Security taxable wage base ($113,700 in 2013). Members
    enrolled in FERS and elected prior to 2013 also pay 1.3% of full salary to the Civil Service
    Retirement and Disability Fund (CSRDF). Members of Congress first elected after 2012 and
    enrolled in FERS contribute 3.1% of pay to the CSRDF in addition to their Social Security
    contributions. In 2013, Members covered by CSRS Offset pay 1.8% of the first $113,700 of
    salary, and 8.0% of salary above this amount, into the CSRDF.

    Under both CSRS and FERS, Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at the age of 62 if
    they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if
    they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The
    amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of
    salary. By law, the starting amount of a Members retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his
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    Quote Originally Posted by atomic_squid View Post
    We never are as powerful as we once were as a people.Eventually, the government has enough power and influence to do things like the PATRIOT Act, and, more recently, the indefinite detention clause of the NDAA. It's getting worse, and the citizens just don't seem to care.
    Do what you want.... just dont take our guns.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    I believe your are mistaken here.

    http://www.senate.gov/CRSReports/crs...22%40%20%20%0A

    "Congressional pensions, like those of other federal employees, are financed through a
    combination of employee and employer contributions. All Members pay Social Security payroll
    taxes equal to 6.2% of the Social Security taxable wage base ($113,700 in 2013). Members
    enrolled in FERS and elected prior to 2013 also pay 1.3% of full salary to the Civil Service
    Retirement and Disability Fund (CSRDF). Members of Congress first elected after 2012 and
    enrolled in FERS contribute 3.1% of pay to the CSRDF in addition to their Social Security
    contributions. In 2013, Members covered by CSRS Offset pay 1.8% of the first $113,700 of
    salary, and 8.0% of salary above this amount, into the CSRDF.

    Under both CSRS and FERS, Members of Congress are eligible for a pension at the age of 62 if
    they have completed at least five years of service. Members are eligible for a pension at age 50 if
    they have completed 20 years of service, or at any age after completing 25 years of service. The
    amount of the pension depends on years of service and the average of the highest three years of
    salary. By law, the starting amount of a Members retirement annuity may not exceed 80% of his
    or her final salary."
    Let's not allow the record of facts not in dispute get in the way of a daily, repetitive propaganda strategy.

    'Tis more "rude" to insult the intelligence of forum members by allowing conjured up tripe like the OP to exist than to hold propaganda accountable.
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 8th Amendment?

    Why is there a politics Forum on a Tech website? Who cares? This isn't a USA only site.
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 8th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by sledge007 View Post
    Why is there a politics Forum on a Tech website? Who cares? This isn't a USA only site.
    That's why this forum isn't called "USA politics". Why do you care anyway? Just don't go into the politics forum if you don't like it.

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