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    Quote Originally Posted by nrm5110 View Post
    A focus on mental health would be a massive deterrent. Remove the stigma, educate people on the signs and how to get them help, make getting help easier. Of course I'm being unrealistic in my hopes I've been through that the system is no good as it stands depression is tough and a lot of people feel like they have to fight it on their own.

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    No one should have to go thru depression alone, and I don't think medication is always the answer either. Sometimes just a friend or stranger reaching out and showing they care is enough. The stigma with depression or mental health issues is staggering.

    I want to put the focus where it can and would do the most good. I believe that starts with the person intent on committing this or any other type of crime.

    I am sorry it's not flashy, and doesn't draw headlines but it's the truth.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    That's another of those hypothetical questions that really have no simple answer.

    I will say this, I would lay down my life to defend the constitution that my oath of enlistment has no expiration date. If we come to a second American revolution not only will I fight and defend the side in which I believe to be right, but I will also recruit others that think the same way I do. In much the same way as I protect and defend my home from criminals.
    Who determines this nebulous definition of what is "constitutional" in this every-man-for-himself world? You? The fringe, extremist bloggers you frequently refer to as "sources"? Who?
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    Let's hold the people in government responsible and not vote them back in office when all they want to do is what sounds good and not what fixes the problem.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Who determines this nebulous definition of what is "constitutional" in this every-man-for-himself world? You? The fringe, extremist bloggers you frequently refer to as "sources"? Who?
    Ted Nugent
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Who determines this nebulous definition of what is "constitutional" in this every-man-for-himself world? You? The fringe, extremist bloggers you frequently refer to as "sources"? Who?
    You're a prime example of why our political system is fatally flawed. You exacerbate posters, manipulate talk points, and skirt around the issue with nonsensical questions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    You're a prime example of why our political system is fatally flawed. You exacerbate posters, manipulate talk points, and skirt around the issue with nonsensical questions.
    Why is it nonsensical to ask who determines "constitutionality" in his patriotic quest to "take back his country"? He could easily say SCOTUS, but that is up to ride, not you. If you do not want a discussion, stay out of it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Ted Nugent
    And here I expected so much more from such a distinguished, respectful, principled patriot.
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    In all seriousness, how many here could literally survive off the grid.

    Could you provide for the needs of yourself and your family if there was a collapse of services like power and water?
    Could you maintain the discipline necessary not to steal from your neighbors or friends?
    Or would you forget society as a whole by becoming something that I would need to protect my family from?



    What if martial law were declared, could you stand on your own or would you march off to the FEMA camp like good little sheep?
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Since my attempt at humor was obviously lost, I'll give that question some consideration and get back to you.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    In all seriousness, how many here could literally survive off the grid.

    Could you provide for the needs of yourself and your family if there was a collapse of services like power and water?
    Could you maintain the discipline necessary not to steal from your neighbors or friends?
    Or would you forget society as a whole by becoming something that I would need to protect my family from?



    What if martial law were declared, could you stand on your own or would you march off to the FEMA camp like good little sheep?
    I bet carolinadroid will be the first in line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Since my attempt at humor was obviously lost, I'll give that question some consideration and get back to you.
    I'm sure you will. In your own words, please.
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    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    Here is a story, actually its a continuing story about the veteran who was asked to leave the city council meeting while legally carrying a concealed weapon. This story made national news a few weeks ago, this is what happened next.

    Armed citizens force officials to back down - National Conservative | Examiner.com
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    Tonight I have been considering several things that have been stated in various posts not only from others but by myself as well. First of all in several posts I have referred to myself as a patriot and stated that I will continue to support and defend the Constitution with my life if necessary.

    My love of this country is NOT up for debate, or to be questioned by anyone either here or in the real world. I participate in Patriot Guard escorts for our fallen veterans, I participate in welcome home parades for returning soldiers. In the last year I put approx 7500 miles on my bike and the largest portion of that was for patriot guards. I rode 450 miles one way for a WWII vet that had passed away. One of the first things I did when my wife and I bought this house was put a flag pole up. My flag gets raised and lowered everyday, veterans day, memorial day parades I am there in one way or another. I organize toy runs for the children's wards of local hospitals. My wife will bake on the weekends and take cookies and cakes to the closest VA hospital which is well over 100 miles away. This past thanksgiving I brought 3 wounded servicemen home for a meal with my family.

    I do not expect any thing in return for these acts, actually it is my honor to give back to a country that has given so much to me. What I do not think I should have to tolerate is someone using the word patriot in any sort of insult, or disparaging comment. Myself and others like me that have served and are still serving today deserve your respect and gratitude.

    How about the next time you see an elderly gentleman wearing a Vietnam Veteran hat, or even a WWII hat you simply walk up to him, shake his hand and say, sir I want to thank you for your service to our country in its time of need, for having the courage to lay your life on the line for the principles our country was founded on.

    I cannot imagine what it must have been like for the returning Vietnam Veteran, coming home from an unpopular war. Having celebrities and our current secretary of state call you a ******, baby killer, and a murderer. They did not get the parades like WWI/II vets received, or the welcome that today's vets get.


    I am proud of the history and the journey this country has taken, yet myself and others that truly know what it means to serve are expected to stand by while a few with louder voices tear away at the rights we laid our lives on the line to protect. We are called "cold dead hands...nutters" our information is coming from fringe sources so it must all be unreliable.

    /end rant/

    Mods: I am sorry if this post got out of hand or crossed any lines, broke any rules. But there's only so much a man can take, and sometimes things just have to be said.
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    I truly believe this nation is the worlds best hope for long lasting peace and prosperity, we should not be looking to countries like England, for how to get a hold of the crisis our nation is in. Other nations should be looking to us, America has always been a nation that has stood by her citizens and her principles. But how can we hold those principles up as a shining example to the rest of the world when our leaders want to take away our most basic rights, which are guaranteed in our Constitution.

    How can anyone read a newspaper, or watch a news broadcast and not see the trouble this country is heading for?
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    I have been accused of taking the simpletons approach to the second amendment, and maybe that's true. But just maybe part of the reason we are in this much trouble as a nation is because everyone wants to complicate the truth to benefit themselves.

    Why does this have to be complicated?

    We the People of the United States, in Order to form a more perfect Union, establish Justice, insure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, promote the general Welfare, and secure the Blessings of Liberty to ourselves and our Posterity, do ordain and establish this Constitution for the United States of America.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by metz65 View Post
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    I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.
    I'm getting there.....

    It would be a lot easier if the government wasn't buying up all the ammunition. I got a call from a buddy that runs the sporting goods counter at walmart around 3:00 am and all they got in was 15 boxes of .223, so guess where I went.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    I'm more concerned with the vehicular deaths that far outnumber the gun deaths and also the deaths by the medical community which far eclipses either. Guns are protected by the constitution and the bill of rights. Cars and doctors are not. Where is your outrage against the other items just discussed, hmmmm?
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    Since it appears that this dysfunctional thread has now turned into a personal journal, there are some gross mischaracterizations which beg to be corrected.

    Patriot, as used by some, has been worded in such a way as to demonstrate that if one were truly patriotic, you would stand against policies/actions of this President, in direct disregard for standing law and civility. I categorically refute that this, in any way, defines patriotism.

    Having grown up with a father who was a career Marine, serving multiple tours in the south Pacific, Korea, and Vietnam, and a father who had the capacity to comprehend the difference between the patriotism of wrapping oneself in the flag and honorably serving a call to duty, I learned at a very young age, many years ago, what being an American looked like.

    • Patriotism takes solemn pride in its quiet reverence.
    • Patriotism knows that our imperfect system of checks and balances works.
    • Patriotism knows that, for this great nation, the sun will always rise tomorrow.
    • Patriotism is wise enough not to call attention to itself.

    Before the first bombs fell in Iraq on the night of March 19, 2003, my dad recognized the drumbeat for war by an out-of-control administration. He did everything in his power, at home and in DC, to educate groups as to how unwise, costly, and genuinely foolish it would be to engage in war against Iraq. The can of worms unleashed around the globe would never be worth the cost in American lives. He was among those who were demonized by that administration, and their rank and file lackies, as unAmerican ... traitors ... and much, much worse. Quite unfortunate at the time, sensible Republicans sat on their hands and gave quiet support to that administration and their misuse of baseless intelligence (all of which was based upon a single Iraqi dissident who was ultimately found to have created a web of myths about Iraq's WMD), while simultaneously allowing sensible Democrats to lead the charge against the policies and actions which carried us to war. A great political maneuver ... in a time of war. It was at this time that I began to clearly realize that even when American lives literally hung in the balance, there were those who did not care enough to be wise and leave politics dormant. Their truly depraved indifference to this great nation's highest ideals and standards, when the blood of our armed forces spilt, was nothing short of maniacal.

    The costs of unprecedented tax-cutting during war, coupled with funding 2 hot wars on a Chinese credit card (in addition to all other international efforts to insure terrorism did not land on our shores) was an easy political task for an 8-year administration. When directly asked, what did that administration say citizens should do? "Go shopping!" At no time were the American people asked to dig deep and sacrifice for the cause of war. As such, that administration was keenly aware that the bill for their deficits would not show up in the form of staggering unemployment or necessary bailouts to continue an operational government and society on their watch. Think every man, woman, and child are not still paying for Reagan's deficit spending? Think again. The rest of the world has taught many of us that austerity measures are more taxing and caustic on a society's economy than deliberately, carefully stepping on the gas, in calculated ways, to eventually pull this nation out of the grave it found itself in 2007-2008 and which lingers today. If this were a Republican or Libertarian President today, making the same wise, pragmatic decisions to recover our economic footing again -measures which have been employed in the past proportional to the economic needs of the times - I would applaud their efforts as well. We once had conservative leadership who had the dignity to be honest about the long-term pain required to pay for our economic mistakes. The current party in which most conservatives, and those who provide quiet support for them, find themselves are derelict of duty to our nation.

    I claim no unique ownership to the term patriot or patriotism, yet when used improperly and for self-interest, its misuse defines itself as foolish as perfectly exemplified in many thread titles in this forum. Is it patriotic to bring unsubstantiated, unsustainable charges against this President? Is it patriotic to bring low-brow, unsustainable smear campaigns against this President? Is it honorable to cling to being part of the problem rather than (metaphorically) picking up a hammer and sweating to build a better future for even those with whom you disagree?

    The time has come to rise above partisan pettiness and build a bridge. If not now, under our current set of national circumstances, when? It is a choice ... And the choice is yours.
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    I think you'll find that patriot can mean to defend against a harmful government.
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    A patriot loves and fights for their country and the principles it stands for.

    It has nothing to do with loving a government that is destroying your country.

    I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    I think you'll find that patriot can mean to defend against a harmful government.
    US history is replete with this type of false patriotism.

    Samuel Johnson on False Patriotism

    Politically speaking, tribal nationalism [patriotism] always insists that its own people are surrounded by a world of enemies - one against all - and that a fundamental difference exists between this people and all others. It claims its people to be unique, individual, incompatible with all others, and denies theoretically the very possibility of a common mankind long before it is used to destroy the humanity of man. - Hannah Arendt, The Origins of Totalitarianism, p.227

    This disgrace to civilization should be done away with at once. Heroism on command, senseless violence and all the loathsome nonsense that goes by the name of patriotism. - Albert Einstein

    "Sic Semper Tyrannis" ("Thus Be To Tyrants") - John Wilkes Booth immediately after pulling the trigger, assassinating Abraham Lincoln.
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    I never said anything about patriotism. I gave you the three definitions of a patriot. Patriotism coincides with the first definition of a patriot.
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