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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by rexxman View Post
    Was I not clear in my post? I interpreted the original statement as JWB was a false patriot.

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    I intended to my post to be directed towards CD looking for clarification.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Default Re: How Many Firearm Deaths In The US Since Sandy Hook Elementary School?

    Total killed via firearm as of 2/8/2013 = 1,686

    Updated total includes those murdered between 2/6/13 and 2/8/2013:

    Name / Location / Age


    Erick Perez / Denver, CO / 2 years old

    Nevaeh Morales / Denver, CO / 6 years old

    Joshua Price / Johnstown, PA / Age Not Reported

    Thomas Eugene Schadowsky / Jacksonville, FL / 46

    Trevor Wakefield / El Dorado, KS / 24

    Name Unreleased / Wilmington, PA / 53

    Maurice Taylor / Cleveland, OH / 22

    Leopold Azplazu / Lake Worth, FL / 32

    Gabriel Ferrarotti / Lake Worth, FL / 37

    Adrian Adams / Harvey, LA / 48

    Name Unreleased / New York, NY / Age Not Reported

    Mayra Perez / Denver, CO / 22

    Jason Noroian / St. Louis, MO / 32

    Danny Marlin Bowman / Caldwell Cty, NC / Age Not Reported

    Sergio Mora / Chicago, IL / 19

    Name Unreleased / Phoenix, AZ / Age Not Reported

    Name Unreleased / Houston, TX / Age Not Reported

    Name Unreleased / Lawton, OK / Age Not Reported

    Name Unreleased / Riverside, CA / Age Not Reported

    Jennifer Zacarias / Cleveland, OH / 16

    Tuan Tu / Houston, TX / 47

    Anthony Brown / Springfield, MA / 27

    Felipe Rodriguez / Salt Lake City, UT / 37

    Julie Treadwell / Springfield, MA / 26

    Iris Rodriguez / Salt Lake City, UT / 32
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    I intended to my post to be directed towards CD looking for clarification.
    Sorry. My bad.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by rexxman View Post
    Sorry. My bad.

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    I have to accept responsibility as well, I should have been clearer..
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by rexxman View Post
    Two "seems" and one SHEEPLE. Fail.

    (I understand the criticism. No opinion as to accuracy)

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    I must claim responsibility too, I have failed haha, for not being politically correct.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    I must claim responsibility too, I have failed haha, for not being politically correct.
    Good for you!

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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    'Cause untrained people with AK-47s can beat the entire US military that has tanks, planes, bombs, etc.
    I am for the 2nd amendment, but saying we need it for protection from tyranny is a little hopeful.
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irate Iguana View Post
    'Cause untrained people with AK-47s can beat the entire US military that has tanks, planes, bombs, etc.
    I am for the 2nd amendment, but saying we need it for protection from tyranny is a little hopeful.
    Just because the US military is part is the government doesn't mean they agree with all the choices.

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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by Irate Iguana View Post
    'Cause untrained people with AK-47s can beat the entire US military that has tanks, planes, bombs, etc.
    I am for the 2nd amendment, but saying we need it for protection from tyranny is a little hopeful.
    Hmmm I see people in Iraq and Afghanistan doing just fine without tanks and planes and a bombs are simple enough to make, just flip on the news, IEDs all over it. And history is full of the underdog winning. Russian revolution is a good example, they were outclassed in every way and the reds still won, and I would guess some military would join giving some supply and training...and don't forget about us ex-military who remember how it all works.

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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    I seem to remember the Afghanistan warriors chasing the Russians out of their country.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    An interesting article on the constitution, and the attacks on it that many see on it today.

    Articles: Somebody Needs to Make the Case For the Constitution
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    An interesting article on the constitution, and the attacks on it that many see on it today.

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    Sorry. No reasonable person will make it past the second paragraph which states:
    Somebody should argue, firstly, that if our government can do whatever it wants, however it wants, to whomever it wants, then we as individuals are enslaved by it. It matters not who is favored by it today. The Constitution is the governor of government, and where government cares not to be governed by it, we have subjective, authoritarian rule, the mark of tyranny, and the antithesis of the American founding.
    As should have been learned by now, faulty, deceitful foundations make for absurdity.
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    I want to get back to the subject.... why are people that are upset over the 2nd Amendment. Saying NOTHING about the gutting of the 4th and 6th amendment by the Patriot Act???

    Fourth Amendment Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Sixth Amendment Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Here is what is really crazy..... the Patriot Act is a reality. And nary a peep from the conservative population that is obsessed with protecting their 2nd amendment rights.

    I have asked myself over and over how conservatives view Obama in light of what his predecessor did:

    Bengahzi vs Iraq
    Gun Control vs 4th & 6th Amendment & The Patriot Act
    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) vs Medicare Part D

    After much consideration I have found the answer:

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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    I have asked myself over and over how conservatives view Obama in light of what his predecessor did:

    Bengahzi vs Iraq
    Gun Control vs 4th & 6th Amendment & The Patriot Act
    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) vs Medicare Part D
    Besides the fact that only Congress can dismantle the Patriot Act/FISA and that the President is bound by its existing law ..... the main differences? .....

    We now have a Kenyan, Marxist, Socialist, Communist, Liberal-Extremist Document Forger (who is actually none of these things, for the uninitiated) with a D behind his name elected to lead the Executive Branch ... of course.

    The interweb forum posts of those who now, conveniently, say that they opposed Bush are conspicuously absent. I wonder why ......
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    I want to get back to the subject.... why are people that are upset over the 2nd Amendment. Saying NOTHING about the gutting of the 4th and 6th amendment by the Patriot Act???

    Fourth Amendment Protection from unreasonable search and seizure.
    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    Sixth Amendment Trial by jury and rights of the accused; Confrontation Clause, speedy trial, public trial, right to counsel
    In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right to a speedy and public trial, by an impartial jury of the State and district wherein the crime shall have been committed, which district shall have been previously ascertained by law, and to be informed of the nature and cause of the accusation; to be confronted with the witnesses against him; to have compulsory process for obtaining witnesses in his favor, and to have the Assistance of Counsel for his defence.

    Here is what is really crazy..... the Patriot Act is a reality. And nary a peep from the conservative population that is obsessed with protecting their 2nd amendment rights.

    I have asked myself over and over how conservatives view Obama in light of what his predecessor did:

    Bengahzi vs Iraq
    Gun Control vs 4th & 6th Amendment & The Patriot Act
    The Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act (PPACA) vs Medicare Part D

    After much consideration I have found the answer:

    http://crayfisher.files.wordpress.co...n-spagnola.jpg
    Although very unpopular Bush did everything he did legally. He went to congress before deploying troops to Iraq. Congress did not declare war but the enacted instead the Iraq War Resolution in 2002 which approved and FUNDED the Iraq invasion. This was done 100% legally and with support from congress from both parties.

    As far as I know Bengahzi was not approved or funded by congress.

    Mr. Obama does what he wants and does not care if its legal or not and gets praised for it. Bush did everything legally and although not popular is a more honorable man to me.

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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdicesare2002 View Post
    Mr. Obama does what he wants and does not care if its legal or not and gets praised for it. Bush did everything legally and although not popular is a more honorable man to me
    Who, in your young lifetime, suspended Habeas Corpus rights, including those of Americans?

    HINT: The guy you find "honorable" ... And the actions of whom retained the sole authority [via the Protect America Act] to determine what could be defined as "legal". An action Nixon could only fantasize about.

    Who, in your young lifetime, has restored Habeas Corpus rights, including those of Americans?

    HINT: The guy you find less than honorable.

    These are facts not in dispute.
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdicesare2002 View Post
    Although very unpopular Bush did everything he did legally. He went to congress before deploying troops to Iraq. Congress did not declare war but the enacted instead the Iraq War Resolution in 2002 which approved and FUNDED the Iraq invasion. This was done 100% legally and with support from congress from both parties.

    As far as I know Bengahzi was not approved or funded by congress.

    Mr. Obama does what he wants and does not care if its legal or not and gets praised for it. Bush did everything legally and although not popular is a more honorable man to me.

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    Tell me what he (Obama) has done that is illegal..... please. The house republicans have been in power since he first took office in 2008... if he is doing illegal things, THEN WHY HAVENT THEY CHARGED HIM????

    The Resolution in 2002 was NEVER funded... he put it on the nation's credit card... as he, along with a republican congress, did with Medicare Part D. BTW... Medicare Part D (which was never paid for and put on the the nation's credit card) dwarfs... thats right, dwarfs Obama Care in costs.

    Where are the WMD's???? But this is war... and there is nothing that gets our patriotic dander up than a kick *** war. If you question the reason of going to war... well that's unpatriotic. Churchill warned us, "an exaggerated code of honor leading to the performance of utterly vain and unreasonable deeds should not be defended however fine it might look.

    The buck stops with the Commander in Chief.... I for one, will never let Bush off the hook for championing a war based on false intelligence.
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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Who, in your young lifetime, suspended Habeas Corpus rights, including those of Americans?

    HINT: The guy you find "honorable" ... And the actions of whom retained the sole authority [via the Protect America Act] to determine what could be defined as "legal". An action Nixon could only fantasize about.

    Who, in your young lifetime, has restored Habeas Corpus rights, including those of Americans?

    HINT: The guy you find less than honorable.

    These are facts not in dispute.
    On 29 September 2006, the U.S. House and Senate approved the Military Commissions Act of 2006, a bill which suspended habeas corpus for any alien determined to be an "unlawful enemy combatant engaged in hostilities or having supported hostilities against the United States" Sounds to me congress did this not the President.

    However in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (2004) the U.S. Supreme Court re-confirmed the right of every American citizen to access habeas corpus even when declared to be an enemy combatant. The Court affirmed the basic principle that habeas corpus could not be revoked in the case of a citizen. That says re-confirm not reinstate.

    So it would appear in my "young life" I learned how to research and read better then you. I wait your next argument .


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    Default Re: Why no uproar over the 4th & 6th Amendment?

    Quote Originally Posted by cdicesare2002 View Post
    So it would appear in my "young life" I learned how to research and read better then you. I wait your next argument
    I'm still waiting for you to directly address my statement, as your response is nothing but a knee-jerk misdirection. And this time, please try to use your own words?

    The indisputable facts of which I stated are not partisan. They are simply true.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    Tell me what he (Obama) has done that is illegal..... please. The house republicans have been in power since he first took office in 2008... if he is doing illegal things, THEN WHY HAVENT THEY CHARGED HIM????

    The Resolution in 2002 was NEVER funded... he put it on the nation's credit card... as he, along with a republican congress, did with Medicare Part D. BTW... Medicare Part D (which was never paid for and put on the the nation's credit card) dwarfs... thats right, dwarfs Obama Care in costs.

    Where are the WMD's???? But this is war... and there is nothing that gets our patriotic dander up than a kick *** war. If you question the reason of going to war... well that's unpatriotic. Churchill warned us, "an exaggerated code of honor leading to the performance of utterly vain and unreasonable deeds should not be defended however fine it might look.

    The buck stops with the Commander in Chief.... I for one, will never let Bush off the hook for championing a war based on false intelligence.
    Hmm I do remember congress in June 2008 signing the 161.8 billion in new funds to continue fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the following year, without timetables for withdrawing combat troops. I remember everyone being so upset there was no mention of bring troops home.

    Unfortunately no one told Congress they were not funding in, maybe you should have emailed them in 2008 so they would not publicly pass the fund and your statements would have been correct today.



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    Quote Originally Posted by cdicesare2002 View Post
    On 29 September 2006, the U.S. House and Senate approved the Military Commissions Act of 2006, a bill which suspended habeas corpus for any alien determined to be an "unlawful enemy combatant engaged in hostilities or having supported hostilities against the United States" Sounds to me congress did this not the President.

    However in Hamdi v. Rumsfeld (2004) the U.S. Supreme Court re-confirmed the right of every American citizen to access habeas corpus even when declared to be an enemy combatant. The Court affirmed the basic principle that habeas corpus could not be revoked in the case of a citizen. That says re-confirm not reinstate.

    So it would appear in my "young life" I learned how to research and read better then you. I wait your next argument .


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    Boumediene v. Bush, 553 U.S. 723 (2008), On June 12, 2008, Justice Kennedy delivered the opinion for the 5-4 majority holding that the prisoners had a right to the habeas corpus under the United States Constitution and that the Military Commissions Act of 2006 was an unconstitutional suspension of that right.

    Bush signed the 2006 MCA... so much for defending the constitution of the United States.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdicesare2002 View Post
    Hmm I do remember congress in June 2008 signing the 161.8 billion in new funds to continue fighting the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan for the following year, without timetables for withdrawing combat troops. I remember everyone being so upset there was no mention of bring troops home.

    Unfortunately no one told Congress they were not funding in, maybe you should have emailed them in 2008 so they would not publicly pass the fund and your statements would have been correct today.



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    I can fund my new TV purchase with a credit card...... I still have to pay the bill. Funding isnt the same as paying the bill.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    I can fund my new TV purchase with a credit card...... I still have to pay the bill. Funding isnt the same as paying the bill.
    That is a valid point my friend I was under the impression that it was to fund to continue I will do some research real quick. If you are indeed correct I will retract my statement on that issue on this thread crediting you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kilofox View Post
    I can fund my new TV purchase with a credit card...... I still have to pay the bill. Funding isnt the same as paying the bill.
    Ok after reading the details and restrictions on the funding buy congress I think its safe to say it was not to pay off a bill.

    1st: Congress made it clear that they would not vote for more funding and that this would be Bush's last funding in office and that it was enough money to last past his term in office. (If this was to pay for his "charge card" it wouldn't have to last that long it would all go out at once, to pay for already bought things.

    2nd: the money was not to be used to fund permanent bases in either Iraq or Afghanistan. (This tells me the money was "free" to spend except for a permanent base. So not already spent money.)

    3rd: Baghdad to match, dollar-for-dollar, U.S. reconstruction aid. ( so the money had to also repair the damage still being inflicted on the city.)

    Also in 2008 the Senate and the House were both majority Democratic who approved this funding. So no the Republican party did not push it through.


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