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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Here is the danger in the perceived thought process:

    Team A:
    "We want to make things safer by reducing the availability of weapons to criminals, but have no way to do so without restricting the availability to law abiding citizens as well"
    Team B:
    "If you try to take our guns, we'll kill your law enforcement officers."
    Team A:
    "WTF? Who said take guns? You're planning to commit murders? That's crazy! Crazy people shouldn't have guns!"
    Team B:
    "Lock and Load; they're coming for our guns, get ready to kill 'em all."
    Team A:
    "Obviously these people are terrorist, talking about violent resistance to legislation."
    Drone:
    "Boom"

    You see how at no point does either side have any clue what the other team is talking about? The drone doesn't care. Both sides are dead wrong and escalating this for no reason at all other than irrational fears. An intelligent, non-defensive conversation would allow the philosophical approaches to be reconciled, but neither side is willing to listen or try to understand. Both sides are pushing for a war, the question is why?

    Magazine limits, assault weapon bans and other stupid ideas will not reduce criminal use of guns. They just won't. Background checks will reduce the legal sale of firearms to people who otherwise are ineligible to purchase them, under current laws. I'm not sure why there is a debate on any of those 3 points. Don't ban stuff for no reason and OF COURSE we want to prevent legal illegal sales. It's not like you're trading baseball cards here, the random person in the parking lot could be buying from you because the FFA dealer denied them because of a domestic assault issue. Use common sense in this and lets discuss facts and logic.

    If you come into this defensive, only wanting to highlight the talking points of the crazies of one side or the other, that's not a debate, that's baiting people to point out your ignorance. Comprehensive contextual understanding of the issues requires observing more information than what is fed to you by one side of an agenda. Especially true when both sides are wrong.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    I just realized my profile picture has my real name on it! I should change it before the crazies from one side or the other learn to use Google translate and hunt me down!
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    I'm enjoying this etcha-sketch demonstration of "conservative" firearm values ... the kind of which make Mitt Romney appear rock-solid stable.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    So tell me again why you think an ar15 should be banned, and why a 223 is a high powered bullet, and how with assault weapons gone the criminals will just go away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    So tell me again why you think an ar15 should be banned, and why a 223 is a high powered bullet, and how with assault weapons gone the criminals will just go away.
    Rose colored glasses.

    I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by metz65 View Post
    Rose colored glasses.

    I don't care what kind of phone you have, that's not how I judge someone's worth or intelligence.
    I would agree.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    So tell me again why you think an ar15 should be banned, and why a 223 is a high powered bullet, and how with assault weapons gone the criminals will just go away
    Demonstrate that those responsible for mass-death attacks have criminal backgrounds which preclude them from legally obtaining firearms. Go for it. I beg you.

    Would it matter anyway, considering the NRA's record of arming convicted felons through their "Relief" program?
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    Instance # 31(exaggerated number) where carolinadroid has completely avoided backing up her arguments with actual proof and instead tried to change the subject and call out the other person expecting them to do the same.

    *gets more popcorn*
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    http://johnrlott.blogspot.com/2012/1...in-eu.html?m=1


    Even taking away the guns completely, violent crime rate gets horrific. England is one of the worst.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdmjlt369 View Post
    John Lott's Website: UK has highest violent crime rate in EU, higher rate than US and even South Africa


    Even taking away the guns completely, violent crime rate gets horrific. England is one of the worst.

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    Cause guns aren't the problem, it's the people. This is why when they search a violent criminal's house/apartment/etc and happen to find a PS3 there and blame video games for him being so violent I wanna go and smack them in the face. He would have been the same way even if that wasn't there. Hell I find video games to be a good way of venting out my rage not making it worse. It's the same thing with guns, people are gonna kill people if they have a mental problem or violent temper whether or not they have access to a gun.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    Instance # 31(exaggerated number) where carolinadroid has completely avoided backing up her arguments with actual proof and instead tried to change the subject and call out the other person expecting them to do the same.
    Actually, no. What I posted ["Demonstrate that those responsible for mass-death attacks have/had criminal backgrounds which preclude(d) them from legally obtaining firearms"] aims between the eyes of this thread's subject and Markster's post (and he knows it). The parents of those who have had to bury their small children would appreciate it if a responsible person would directly address it. Step right up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Actually, no. What I posted ["Demonstrate that those responsible for mass-death attacks have/had criminal backgrounds which preclude(d) them from legally obtaining firearms"] aims between the eyes of this thread's subject and Markster's post (and he knows it). The parents of those who have had to bury their small children would appreciate it if a responsible person would directly address it. Step right up.
    Demonstrate that had these criminals not had access to these weapons they would have harmed no one. You can't.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    Demonstrate that had these criminals not had access to these weapons they would have harmed no one. You can't.
    The parents of those who have buried their small children are not satisfied with such a deflective, irresponsible reply. If you can't step up, please step aside.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Actually, no. What I posted ["Demonstrate that those responsible for mass-death attacks have/had criminal backgrounds which preclude(d) them from legally obtaining firearms"] aims between the eyes of this thread's subject and Markster's post (and he knows it). The parents of those who have had to bury their small children would appreciate it if a responsible person would directly address it. Step right up.
    Instance #4

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    The parents of those who have buried their small children are not satisfied with such a deflective, irresponsible reply. If you can't step up, please step aside.
    You've got your head stuck so far in the mud I'm surprised you haven't suffocated yourself yet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    The parents of those who have buried their small children are not satisfied with such a deflective, irresponsible reply. If you can't step up, please step aside.
    Hey I feel for the parents, they should never have to bury their children from something like that, but until we talk about what is really going to fix the issue instead of what will make YOU feel good, just thumbing your nose at gun owners is an insult and is counterproductive to a solution.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    Hey I feel for the parents, they should never have to bury their children from something like that, but until we talk about what is really going to fix the issue instead of what will make YOU feel good, just thumbing your nose at gun owners is an insult and is counterproductive to a solution.
    Asking you for something which is verifiable is a productive aspect of this bloody issue. And it still goes unaddressed. You'd prefer not to because it would prove inconvenient to your cause.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Don't get personal. No more warnings.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Proper gun control measures...


    Myrtle Beach robber tells woman "you're dead," runs off after victim pulls gun | WBTW

    Make sure you read it before commenting.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

    "You would not fear my weapon unless your intentions were to provoke my using it"
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Proper gun control measures...


    BREAKING: Armed Robber in SC Tells Woman, Youre Dead! Then Runs Off When She Pulls a Gun

    Make sure you read it before commenting.
    I laughed at that more than I should have.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by xlDeMoNiClx View Post
    I laughed at that more than I should have.



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    I changed the link to show the story directly from the CBS station that reported it.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Proper gun control measures
    TRANSLATION: Do not deviate from the status quo.

    The >1600 killed by firearm since Sandy Hook thank you for your deeply insightful, productive solutions.
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    Default Re: What do you think the best course of action is against mass shootings in schools?

    Alright I'm going to close this thread down again for a little while.

    In case you guys wonder how/why I make decisions that I do, imagine the conversation that's going on in this thread happening in a room full of people. Yeah, it's like that.
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    Default Re: How Many Firearm Deaths In The US Since Sandy Hook Elementary School?

    Total killed via firearm as of 2/14/2013 = 1,833

    Updated total includes those murdered between 2/9/13 and 2/14/2013:

    Name / Location / Age


    Braydion Scott Matlock / Paducah, KY / 3 years old

    Tyler Jamison / Oakland, CA / 17

    Name Unreported / Bronx, NY / 20

    Richard McCoy Jr. / Cleveland, OH / 41

    Sidney Bryant Johnson / Las Vegas, NV / 23

    Brandon Joseph / Kenner, LA / 24

    Name Unreported / Compton, CA / Age Unreported

    Chris Mass / Tyler, TX / 23

    Name Unreported, Montgomery, AL / Age Unreported

    Pauly Silva / Santa Cruz, CA / 32

    Name Unreported / Conroe, TX / 35

    Stoney E. Rawlinson / Dallas, TX / 40

    Otis Roberson / St. Louis, MO / 32

    Damien Robinson / Easton, PA / 33

    Justin Dore / Colorado Springs, CO / 29

    Brian Christopher Keys / Durham, NC / 24

    Kari Jean Tabor / Independence, MO / Age Unreported

    Jennifer Ann Scavone / Detroit, MI / 32

    Dominique Carter-Bryant / Louisville, KY / 30

    Pedro Zuniga III / Kerrville, TX / 20

    Jose Martinez / Conway, AR / 31

    Name Unreported / Valinda, CA / 18

    Moses West / Waxahachie, TX / 44

    Daniel K. Holt / Dayton, OH / 34

    Tyquinn James / Atlantic City, NJ / 25

    Patrick Price / Charleston, WV / 34

    Michael Cassel / Charleston, WV / 36

    Name Unreported / San Jose, CA / Age Unreported

    Davion Walker / Harrisburg, PA / 21

    Sixto Quezada / Fort Worth, TX / 22

    Daniel Rivera Jr. / Houston, TX / 25

    Name Unreported / Detroit, MI / Age Unreported

    Ernesto Gonzalez Acosta / San Francisco, CA / 23

    David Scott Donaldson / Price, UT / 37

    Jonathan Bunch / Winston, OR / Age Unreported

    John Gutierrez / San Antonio, TX / 43

    Emily Clark / Tulsa, OK / 22

    Janelle Boudreaux / Kiln, MO / 20

    Heather Malcolm / Peoria, IL / 31

    Shaniel Kaye Donaldson / Price, UT / 32

    Devin Aryal / Oakdale, MN / 9

    Joshua Johnson / Memphis, TN / 4

    Steve Stair / Phoenix, AZ / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported / Vallejo, CA / Age Unreported

    Nathaniel Jishaun Rainer / Fort Wayne, IN / 18

    Juan Ramirez / Corpus Christi, TX / 34

    Name Unreported / West Palm Beach, FL / Age Unreported

    Andrew Polen / Norristown, PA / 25

    Jason Shaw / Billings, MT / 32

    Sean Quinn / Philadelphia, PA / 46

    Emeal Washington / Marrero, LA / 58

    Thomas Matusiewicz / Wilmington, DE / 68

    Name Unreported-1 / Hilo, HI / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported-2 / Hilo, HI / Age Unreported

    Deborah Faile Hilton / Lancaster Cty, SC / 59

    Melanie McQueen-Moultrie / Atlanta, GA / 35

    Name Unreported / Wilmington, DE / Age Unreported

    Christine Belford / Wilmington, DE / Age Unreported

    DeAngelo Cox / Taft, FL / 22

    Nick Lewis / Taft, FL / 21

    Name Unreported / New Orleans, LA / 22

    Albert Garcia / Alvin, TX / 24

    Name Unreported / Midvale, UT / Age Unreported

    Gabriel Stevenson / Northville, MI / 18

    Name Unreported / Fort Washington, MD / Age Unreported

    Alden Patrick Anderson / St. Paul, MN / 32

    Name Unreported / Miami, FL / Age Unreported

    Deputy Jeremiah McKay / San Bernardino, CA / 35

    Stephen Alex Rane / College Park, MD / 22

    Name Unreported-1 / Midvale, UT / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported-2 / Midvale, UT / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported / Oakland, CA / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported-1 / Red Springs, NC / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported-2 / Red Springs, NC / Age Unreported

    Name Unreported / San Jose, CA / Age Unreported
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    Default Re: How Many Firearm Deaths In The US Since Sandy Hook Elementary School?

    Quote Originally Posted by carolinadroid View Post
    Total killed via firearm as of 2/14/2013 = 1,833

    Updated total includes those murdered between 2/9/13 and 2/14/2013:
    Nothing but wasted space....
    Gun control is not the answer, crime control works...
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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