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  1. droidmyme's Avatar
    Actually I assume they were well trained, and experienced scientists....

    I also think its safe to assume that there were multiple rounds of animal and human trials before the medicine was released.
    That is correct sir. My point is that a scientist does not need personal experience with drugs to understand how they operate. Nor does a individual need any personal experience with firearms to form reasonable conclusions about how they operate.

    That said, I have never told you my personal history with guns, please don't make any assumptions about what I may or may not know.

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    02-20-2013 07:01 PM
  2. rossbow's Avatar
    All I've heard is plans to take away guns from legal gun owners.
    Anyone want to explain to me how this administration plans on getting the criminals to turn in their guns?

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    02-20-2013 07:17 PM
  3. Live2ride883's Avatar
    That is correct sir. My point is that a scientist does not need personal experience with drugs to understand how they operate. Nor does a individual need any personal experience with firearms to form reasonable conclusions about how they operate.

    That said, I have never told you my personal history with guns, please don't make any assumptions about what I may or may not know.

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    The question about your personal experience was asked and either avoided or ignored.
    02-20-2013 07:17 PM
  4. Live2ride883's Avatar
    That is correct sir. My point is that a scientist does not need personal experience with drugs to understand how they operate. Nor does a individual need any personal experience with firearms to form reasonable conclusions about how they operate.

    That said, I have never told you my personal history with guns, please don't make any assumptions about what I may or may not know.

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    I would state that the years of medical school, and of being a research scientist qualifies as personal experience.

    The personal experience to develop morphine is a lot different than the firing of a weapon.
    02-20-2013 07:27 PM
  5. droidmyme's Avatar
    The question about your personal experience was asked and either avoided or ignored.
    That's ok. In fact, one doesn't need personal experience shooting firearms to formulate an opinion on gun control. That's a common and crude tactic used by fanatics to discredit people. Doesn't make the argument any less logical. I've already emphasized my point repeatedly, to which you've also ignored or avoided. I stated that a shotgun is an adequate home defense measure, and that's proven by fact and reason.

    Do you have anything relevant to refute my point or are you just going to use more diversion tactics?

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    02-20-2013 07:29 PM
  6. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    That's ok. In fact, one doesn't need personal experience shooting firearms to formulate an opinion on gun control. That's a common and crude tactic used by fanatics to discredit people. Doesn't make the argument any less logical. I've already emphasized my point repeatedly, to which you've also ignored or avoided. I stated that a shotgun is an adequate home defense measure, and that's proven by fact and reason.

    Do you have anything relevant to refute my point or are you just going to use more diversion tactics?

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    For me a shotgun is NOT adequate. I want at least a 15 round clip in my home defense. The mom in Georgia that shot the man 5 times in the face and neck and he got in a car and drove, needed more than a couple of bullets.

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    02-20-2013 07:35 PM
  7. backbeat's Avatar
    All I've heard is plans to take away guns from legal gun owners.
    Anyone want to explain to me how this administration plans on getting the criminals to turn in their guns?
    Tell it to this guy: [Miami Police Chief John Timoney (pictured in 2007) says assault weapons were used in about 4 percent of all homicides in 2004 in Miami as the ban expired. Now, Timoney says, the number is about 21 percent.

    He may just be more intellectually honest, experienced, and knowledgeable than all the 2nd amendment chickenhawks - combined.

    From the article: This month, Police Chief magazine reprinted a letter from Chief Joseph M. Polisar, then head of the International Association of Chiefs of Police, originally published in 2004 as the assault weapons ban expired. Polisar vowed that the chiefs would continue to push for the ban, noting it had proved remarkably effective in reducing the number of crimes involving assault weapons. Since 1994 the proportion of assault weapons traced to crimes has fallen by a dramatic 66 percent.
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    02-20-2013 08:03 PM
  8. Nate456's Avatar
    For me a shotgun is NOT adequate. I want at least a 15 round clip in my home defense. The mom in Georgia that shot the man 5 times in the face and neck and he got in a car and drove, needed more than a couple of bullets.

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    It's adequate when hundreds of little pellets are hurling towards your target at close range.

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    02-20-2013 08:04 PM
  9. droidmyme's Avatar
    For me a shotgun is NOT adequate. I want at least a 15 round clip in my home defense. The mom in Georgia that shot the man 5 times in the face and neck and he got in a car and drove, needed more than a couple of bullets.

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    So in other words, are you saying she "failed" because she only drove the intruder off, and didn't kill him? Well, if that's what you want, that does kind of put you on the fringe.

    Most people consider driving an intruder away a success. I imagine that would probably be enough to intimidate them and keep them away. If your goal is to kill the intruder outright, and you feel like you need an assault rifle to accomplish that, it does kind of make me wonder...

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    02-20-2013 08:04 PM
  10. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Well, that's fine that a couple million people use assault rifles legally. Just because it's legal doesn't mean it shouldn't be regulated. But aside from that, you're missing my main point, which is that a shotgun is an adequate measure for home defense. The claim "I need an assault rifle to protect my home from burglary" is not backed up by strong evidence. In fact the evidence shows just the opposite, which is it's a ridiculous statement. I have no problems with people wanting to defend themselves, I just think it's unreasonable to say I need an AR-15 for self defense!

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    I think its unreasonable that anyone try to tell me what I need to defend my family and property with.

    With that being said, ar-15's have more uses than just defense...
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    02-20-2013 08:08 PM
  11. Live2ride883's Avatar
    So in other words, are you saying she "failed" because she only drove the intruder off, and didn't kill him? Well, if that's what you want, that does kind of put you on the fringe.

    Most people consider driving an intruder away a success. I imagine that would probably be enough to intimate them and keep them away. If your goal is to kill the intruder outright, and you feel like you need an assault rifle to accomplish that, it does kind of make me wonder...

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    What if there had been more than one intruder/attacker?
    02-20-2013 08:13 PM
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    I think its unreasonable that anyone try to tell me what I need to defend my family and property with.
    An interesting position from someone who purports to have served in the US military. Tell me ... Did you insist on and gain approval from superiors of using your personal, civilian weapons in place of military-issued firearms while on duty in the US?
    02-20-2013 08:14 PM
  13. rexxman's Avatar
    Some years ago, in the lead up to the Rodney King LA riots, I decided that I wanted a weapon for home defense. I consulted with family / friends in law enforcement.

    A 12 gauge pump shotgun with a pistol grip conversion was the consensus.

    I was told a pump because most bad guys knew that sound and would retreat. Pistol grip because holding weapon at thigh/hip height would allow you to turn your head/shoulders to scan for danger while keeping your weapon pointed at a target.

    Because of small children, weapon stored unloaded with trigger lock. Ammo stored in lockbox. Learned about slugs and combat loading. Only shot it once and that was at a target, gallon plastic water filled jug. Poor jug.

    Neither happy or sad that I own this. I don't consider myself a gun person.

    If push came to shove, I could beat an intruder over the head with it!

    I weigh in on the side of gun control.

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    02-20-2013 08:16 PM
  14. Live2ride883's Avatar
    A Yugo might get me from point a to point b, but if given a choice I'll drive a Corvette.
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    02-20-2013 08:17 PM
  15. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    So in other words, are you saying she "failed" because she only drove the intruder off, and didn't kill him? Well, if that's what you want, that does kind of put you on the fringe.

    Most people consider driving an intruder away a success. I imagine that would probably be enough to intimate them and keep them away. If your goal is to kill the intruder outright, and you feel like you need an assault rifle to accomplish that, it does kind of make me wonder...

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    He wasn't just an intruder. He hunted her and her 2 kids down to the crawlspace of her home. You don't do that to just steal.

    Two shells might not have been enough.

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    02-20-2013 08:20 PM
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    I think no one is going to change anyone's mind. But if you'd rather be defenseless than that's your deal.

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    02-20-2013 08:20 PM
  17. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    It's adequate when hundreds of little pellets are hurling towards your target at close range.

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    I don't want my target at CLOSE RANGE at all.

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    02-20-2013 08:22 PM
  18. Live2ride883's Avatar
    Some years ago, in the lead up to the Rodney King LA riots, I decided that I wanted a weapon for home defense. I consulted with family / friends in law enforcement.

    A 12 gauge pump shotgun with a pistol grip conversion was the consensus.

    I was told a pump because most bad guys knew that sound and would retreat. Pistol grip because holding weapon at thigh/hip height would allow you to turn your head/shoulders to scan for danger while keeping your weapon pointed at a target.

    Because of small children, weapon stored unloaded with trigger lock. Ammo stored in lockbox. Learned about slugs and combat loading. Only shot it once and that was at a target, gallon plastic water filled jug. Poor jug.

    Neither happy or sad that I own this. I don't consider myself a gun person.

    If push came to shove, I could beat an intruder over the head with it!

    I weigh in on the side of gun control.

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    I respect that choice, and the process you chose to make it. You consulted with people who's opinion you trust, and you fired the weapon at least once to understand how it works.

    Personal defense is a personal choice.
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    02-20-2013 08:22 PM
  19. droidmyme's Avatar
    He wasn't just an intruder. He hunted her and her 2 kids down to the crawlspace of her home. You don't do that to just steal.

    Two shells might not have been enough.

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    He still ran though.

    Sorry, most common crooks will run in the face of armed opposition. Doesn't need to be an assault rifle. A shotgun is very intimidating.

    My opinion is that, with guns laws being so strict on felons, most "home intruders" are unlikely to carry a rifle. Any statistics show that's not true?

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    02-20-2013 08:26 PM
  20. SRR500's Avatar
    Here are my thoughts on the matter.

    A shot gun is my personal choice for protection but I don't begrudge anyone who has a different opinion.

    Some reasons for my preference:

    1. A rifle with a 30 round clip and one in the pipe equals 31 projectiles. On the other hand the average 12ga shell of 00 buckshot has 9 pellets. 6 rounds times 9 pellets per round equals 54 projectiles.

    2. The sound that a pump shotgun makes when a shell is chambered has a powerful psychological effect. It's entirely possible to send an intruder running with his tail between his legs without firing a shot which would be the preferred outcome in my opinion.

    3. If its dark, a shotgun doesnt need to be aimed. Just point and shoot, should the need arise. (see number 2 above)

    4. For where I live, home defense is more likely to involve dangerous wildlife (several neighbors and myself have seen mountain lions in the area) not an intruder. A shotgun gives the more options of ammunition type. Pellets for moving and/or close taegets or a rifled slug if a longer shot is required.
    02-20-2013 08:26 PM
  21. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    I don't want someone making the choice for ME. They are free to have their weapon of choice or no weapon at all. I stay out of their business, they need to stay out of mine. Besides this fear mongering about "assault weapons" is getting old. My handgun is now considered an assault weapon in NY.

    The fear mongering and lies about AR-15's is just stupid.

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    02-20-2013 08:32 PM
  22. droidmyme's Avatar
    I don't want someone making the choice for ME. They are free to have their weapon of choice or no weapon at all. I stay out of their business, they need to stay out of mine. Besides this fear mongering about "assault weapons" is getting old. My handgun is now considered an assault weapon in NY.

    The fear mongering and lies about AR-15's is just stupid.

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    Technically that's not even true. Weapons are restricted by the federal government. I want a Javelin missile to defend myself from helicopters. Who are you to tell me I can't have a Javelin missile?

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    02-20-2013 08:41 PM
  23. Live2ride883's Avatar
    An interesting position from someone who purports to have served in the US military. Tell me ... Did you insist on and gain approval from superiors of using your personal, civilian weapons in place of military-issued firearms while on duty in the US?
    As was pointed out in another thread a member of the military cannot use their own personal weapons in place of the one issued to them.

    Also I was not ordered to surrender my personal firearms.
    02-20-2013 08:41 PM
  24. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    He still ran though.

    Sorry, most common crooks will run in the face of armed opposition. Doesn't need to be an assault rifle. A shotgun is very intimidating.

    My opinion is that, with guns laws being so strict on felons, most "home intruders" are unlikely to carry a rifle. Any statistics show that's not true?

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    No he didn't run. He got in his car, drove then wrecked. He was almost dead cause he was hit in the face and neck 5 times. Had he not been almost dead, doubt he would have left .


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    02-20-2013 08:41 PM
  25. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Technically that's not even true. Weapons are restricted by the federal government. I want a Javelin missile to defend myself from helicopters. Who are you to tell me I can't have a Javelin missile?

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    What isn't true?

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    02-20-2013 08:45 PM
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