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  1. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    He still ran though.

    Sorry, most common crooks will run in the face of armed opposition. Doesn't need to be an assault rifle. A shotgun is very intimidating.

    My opinion is that, with guns laws being so strict on felons, most "home intruders" are unlikely to carry a rifle. Any statistics show that's not true?

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    WAIT! So you think criminals CARE about gun restrictions and laws?

    HAHAHAHA

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    02-20-2013 08:48 PM
  2. cschaepe's Avatar
    I don't want someone making the choice for ME. They are free to have their weapon of choice or no weapon at all. I stay out of their business, they need to stay out of mine. Besides this fear mongering about "assault weapons" is getting old. My handgun is now considered an assault weapon in NY.

    The fear mongering and lies about AR-15's is just stupid.

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    So by your logic I can place landmines in my front yard and give my child an RPG. Civil society has rules that we have all live by. If not you go to jail. Even Scalia has stated that the second ammendment does not entitle you to any gun you want.

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    02-20-2013 08:48 PM
  3. rexxman's Avatar
    I don't want my target at CLOSE RANGE at all.

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    No disrespect Kelly. We are discussing self defense. I think that means, in most cases, the danger is a lot closer then we want it to be.

    Not arguing your choice of armament.

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    02-20-2013 08:48 PM
  4. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    So by your logic I can place landmines in my front yard and give my child an RPG. Civil society has rules that we have all live by. If not you go to jail. Even Scalia has stated that the second ammendment does not entitle you to any gun you want.

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    Nope, cause landmines in your yard is not legal nor or RPG's.

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    02-20-2013 08:50 PM
  5. droidmyme's Avatar
    What isn't true?

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    It's isn't true to say "Because of the 2nd Amendment, I have the right to choose any weapon I desire to defend myself."

    You have the right to defend yourself and bear arms, but that right is not extended to ANY weapon. The principle is that you can have a weapon, but not just any weapon.

    The reason for Mr. Biden's point.


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    02-20-2013 08:51 PM
  6. droidmyme's Avatar
    Nope, cause landmines in your yard is not legal nor or RPG's.

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    Lol wait, I thought you wanted unrestricted choice of weapons? You said "I can choose whatever I want to defend myself!"

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    02-20-2013 08:53 PM
  7. Live2ride883's Avatar
    An ar-15 is not military grade (select fire) hardware, it is the civilian version of the m4 carbine. The ar-15 is semi-automatic which fires one round for each pull of the trigger.

    The m4 is selective fire, which means it can be semi automatic as described above, it can fire a 3 round burst, or it can be fully automatic.

    In the first link below pay particular attention to the second paragraph concerning the ar-15. (The select-fire AR-15 entered the US military system as the M16 rifle. Colt then marketed the Colt AR-15 as a semi-automatic version of the M16 rifle for civilian sales in 1963.)
    AR-15 - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    These additional links are to show source information for the definitions used.
    M4 Carbine: M4 carbine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Selective fire reference: Selective fire - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    02-20-2013 09:05 PM
  8. cschaepe's Avatar
    Nope, cause landmines in your yard is not legal nor or RPG's.

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    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    02-20-2013 09:05 PM
  9. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    Lol wait, I thought you wanted unrestricted choice of weapons? You said "I can choose whatever I want to defend myself!"

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    Nope not unrestricted. That would be insane.

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    02-20-2013 09:18 PM
  10. backbeat's Avatar
    As was pointed out in another thread a member of the military cannot use their own personal weapons in place of the one issued to them.

    Also I was not ordered to surrender my personal firearms.
    Not the question asked. Try again?
    02-20-2013 09:21 PM
  11. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    It's isn't true to say "Because of the 2nd Amendment, I have the right to choose any weapon I desire to defend myself."

    You have the right to defend yourself and bear arms, but that right is not extended to ANY weapon. The principle is that you can have a weapon, but not just any weapon.

    The reason for Mr. Biden's point.


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    Never said "any weapon" at all. The lies about the guns these days is the problem. Semi-automatic guns still only shoot 1 bullet per trigger pull.

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    02-20-2013 09:21 PM
  12. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Military assault weapons??

    See? The lies and misinformation.

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    02-20-2013 09:24 PM
  13. backbeat's Avatar
    I don't want someone making the choice for ME
    As a citizen in a civil society, that choice is, has, and always will be made for you.

    The fear mongering and lies about AR-15's is just stupid.
    This simply isn't happening.
    02-20-2013 09:26 PM
  14. Live2ride883's Avatar
    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Assault weapons (select fire) have not been available (legally) for civilians to purchase new since the mid 80's. Select fire assault weapons manufactured prior to 86 I think was the year are still available for purchase by civilians. However they require an extensive background check by the FBI/ATF, local law enforcement also has to sign off and be advised in advance of anytime you transport the weapon. There are also significant fee's and taxes not to mention the constantly rising price of these weapons as there are fewer available every year.

    If droidmemy decides a shotgun is fine for defense of his home then I have no problem with that, if he chooses not to own any weapon for self defense that is his choice as well. However if I decide that my home and property need a weapon that has sufficient stopping power, ease of use, and accuracy for protection then that is my choice.
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    02-20-2013 09:28 PM
  15. droidmyme's Avatar
    No disrespect Kelly. We are discussing self defense. I think that means, in most cases, the danger is a lot closer then we want it to be.

    Not arguing your choice of armament.

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    That's a good point. Despite the protests of Live2Ride, the fact is, the M4 carbine is intended to be a long range weapon. And self defense is about protecting your life. It doesn't require long-range stopping power.

    I don't see how a rifle barrel for long range is necessary for self defense. Sorry. I also have a choice of weapons to defend myself. And I fail to see the need for an assault rifle. In fact, I don't even carry a weapon.

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    02-20-2013 09:28 PM
  16. backbeat's Avatar
    Nope, cause landmines in your yard is not legal nor or RPG's.
    And that choice/decision of legality was not made by you.
    02-20-2013 09:28 PM
  17. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    No disrespect Kelly. We are discussing self defense. I think that means, in most cases, the danger is a lot closer then we want it to be.

    Not arguing your choice of armament.

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    I do not want my target to have to be right in front of me either.

    Also a shotgun is not good when I go out and CCW.

    There is a reason the Clinton ban was not renewed.

    First, most things that clasify something as an assault weapon, is cosmetic. Second very few assault weapons were used in crimes,it is generally handguns.

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    02-20-2013 09:31 PM
  18. Live2ride883's Avatar
    That's a good point. Despite the protests of Live2Ride, the fact is, the M4 carbine is intended to be a long range weapon. And self defense is about protecting your life. It doesn't require long-range stopping power.

    I don't see how a rifle barrel for long range is necessary for self defense. Sorry. I also have a choice of weapons to defend myself. And I fail to see the need for an assault rifle. In fact, I don't even carry a weapon.

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    An M4 Carbine is a select fire military weapon. An ar-15 is the semi-automatic CIVILIAN version of that weapon.

    Once again talk to the shop owners that successfully defended their stores during the LA riots with........ ar-15's
    02-20-2013 09:34 PM
  19. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    And that choice of legality was not made by you.
    What??

    Ummm...they represent us or they are SUPPOSED to. "We the People" not We the Government.

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    02-20-2013 09:35 PM
  20. cschaepe's Avatar
    Never said "any weapon" at all. The lies about the guns these days is the problem. Semi-automatic guns still only shoot 1 bullet per trigger pull.

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    Well you did but I will let that slide. Now that we have agreed that there should restrictions the question is what restrictions. The current proposal revolves around mag size and physical configuration. I haven't heard any lies about the ar15 I know what it can do without having to fire one.

    30000 guns deaths a year and people think the problem is not enough guns.

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    02-20-2013 09:35 PM
  21. backbeat's Avatar
    I do not want my target to have to be right in front of me either.

    Also a shotgun is not good when I go out and CCW.

    There is a reason the Clinton ban was not renewed.

    First, most things that clasify something as an assault weapon, is cosmetic. Second very few assault weapons were used in crimes,it is generally handguns.
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    02-20-2013 09:35 PM
  22. droidmyme's Avatar
    Talk to the shop owners that successfully drove off robbers with handguns?

    C'mon, this tit for tat is kind of silly.

    *edit* oh, and you didn't refute the fact that the M4 is a long range weapon? You're a military guy, you know that.

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    02-20-2013 09:37 PM
  23. backbeat's Avatar
    What??

    Ummm...they represent us or they are SUPPOSED to. "We the People" not We the Government.
    Can't come to terms that you have your choices made for you in a civil society? Bummer, huh?
    02-20-2013 09:38 PM
  24. backbeat's Avatar
    Talk to the shop owners that successfully drove off robbers with handguns?

    C'mon, this tit for tat is kind of silly.
    What does one expect from the intellectually unarmed?
    02-20-2013 09:39 PM
  25. Kelly Kearns's Avatar
    And when/if it's decided that military assault weapons are not legal to be owned by civilians the you will be on the wrong side of the law.
    I would love to drive any speed I want but we have passed laws. That sucks for me if we pass an assault weapons ban it will suck for you.

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    Military grade weapons can be owned by citizens. It is a big deal and a lot of money to own one. A semi-automatic rifle is NOT a military grade weapon.

    An AR-15 is a high powered .22 and a semi-auto handgun is not military grade. You seem to think these are automatic machine guns.

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    02-20-2013 09:45 PM
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