07-14-2014 07:46 AM
- 02-06-2011 07:10 AM
Do we honestly believe that a gun free zone will stop a criminal? Do they follow the laws?
Virginia tech, ft hood and columbine were all in gun free zones. The only people who didn't have guns were the ones who needed to defend themselves.03-05-2011 05:17 AM
In all actuality there is no way to stop these shootings altogether because no matter what if someone is going to attempt this, with or without metal detectors, they will accomplish it. The human will is an amazing force to be reckoned with.04-11-2011 09:19 AMLike 3
- How about parents being parents? Also think there should be bag checks in the schools. Many jobs do bag checks.particularly in the retail industry. The instructors can do this as they leave the classroom. Also make the school s closed campus. If there are issues at the schools don't allow students to leave campus on lunch break. Kids today have too many freedoms
sent from my Incredible using tapatalk05-06-2011 01:40 AM
- The problem with the metal detectors and the bag checks is that someone intent on shooting up a school is NOT going to submit to either one. They are looking for a body count, and they will start with the person running the metal detector or checking bags.
I'm not saying either one of those are bad ideas, or should not be implemented, as they will catch the few dumb enough to bring a gun or knife to school for reasons other than a MASS shooting.
You can't prevent them, but you can minimize the damage and maximize the response when one occurs. Police have changed tactics when handling an active shooter, and schools are educating their staff and students on what to do.
Education and planning really is the key. Think about it, there has been no documented death of a student in a school fire in the last century, but go to any school and you can't go five feet without seeing what? a fire extinguisher, or alarm, or sprinkler system. They do fire drills regularly. As they should. Preparing for an active shooter is no different. You develop a plan, and you DRILL. Many schools are already doing this.
Lt. Col. Dave Grossman is an expert in this field, and I would recommend reading any of his books.
And I personally see absolutely NO problem with allowing the teachers/staff to carry guns. Again banning guns anywhere only removes them from the law abiding citizens. Putting a "No firearms allowed" sign out front does no more to stop a criminal from carrying his gun onto the property, than a "No Robberies Allowed" sign would prevent him from robbing a bank.
I don't remember the name of the school, but Grossman spoke of it. It was a school on an Indian reservation, and they had uniformed security officers posted at the front doors of the school. Uniformed Security Officers who were NOT allowed to carry firearms on the school property. Guess who the first persons shot in that school shooting was? I'll give you one guess.
And for anyone here who thinks, "I live in Smalltown, USA, that will never happen here." The small towns are exactly where these incidents occur most often.10-30-2011 01:13 AM
- I despise this desire to appeal to the lowest common denominator. Don't infringe on everyone's rights under the guise of protection. Stay at home if you're scared.
I don't want my kids growing up in a world where metal detectors and "show me your papers" is normal. Nutters will and always have existed. The most proven deterrent is harsh punishment of the nutter. Not "suspect they neighbor". Fry a few of these nut jobs and the next one will think twice, or not, but stay out of my man purse!!
Oh yeah, "give granny a gun" is an absolutely idiotic idea!
Sent from my LG-P50910-30-2011 04:02 AM
- What nutcase believes turning public schools into prisons (think of the way their environment would be viewed by adolescent minds) is a progressive step in the right direction. Until handguns are removed from the public market, this stupidity will continue. Want a hunting rifle or shotgun? Fine, as long as it is registered federally, licensed by the State, and secured in a home safe. Handguns and long-barrell weapons are 2 VERY different animals in the post-Founders' world.
Just as you have no right to an atomic cannon, there is no "absolute" right to own lethal weapons which can deliver death from a coward's distance.
The NRA should be defined as a domestic terrorist organization.01-14-2013 12:37 PM
- What nutcase believes turning public schools into prisons (think of the way their environment would be viewed by adolescent minds) is a progressive step in the right direction. Until handguns are removed from the public market, this stupidity will continue. Want a hunting rifle or shotgun? Fine, as long as it is registered federally, licensed by the State, and secured in a home safe. Handguns and long-barrell weapons are 2 VERY different animals in the post-Founders' world.Just as you have no right to an atomic cannon, there is no "absolute" right to own lethal weapons which can deliver death from a coward's distance.The NRA should be defined as a domestic terrorist organization.01-16-2013 08:46 AMLike 10
Justify, with a specific argument, why military-grade weapons should be readily available on the open, public market, including high-capacity magazines. Justify why, with specifics, manufacturers of these military-grade weapons should continue to produce them for sale on the open, public market. How is a person any less safe within their home when their only firearm is a shotgun or hunting rifle. How did America possibly survive before automatic weapons and handguns became prominent via the NRA?Not understanding why the nra should be labeled a terrorist organization. Why would you say that? They are the largest organization that represents legal law abiding gun owners. They teach gun safety and proper use to not just citizens but to most police departments in this country.Not sure about how schools would turn into prisons?The only way to stop a bad guy with a gun is with a good guy with a gun01-16-2013 11:04 AM
Yep, if you want a military grade weapon (aka assault weapon) you'd have to go through some serious steps (think 6 months fbi bg check, registration, 200$tax, AND get the approval signature of the police chief before you can buy, (Google the NFA) then the prices? You can't find an assault rifle for less than 7k for a CHEAP one and I've seen them go up as far as 30k and keep in mind these guns were made in the mid 80's or later.
Private citizens haven't been able to own a new or semi new assault rifle in ages.
Sorry but you Cannot listen to the media on gun issues.
In fact it should be illegal to even talk about gun issues when you know nothing about guns.
sent from the best smart phone (not phablet) on the worst network- the galaxy S III unfortunately on T-Mobile01-17-2013 04:47 PMLike 4
Next mental background checks (although it already is the law in GA).
Create a law that bg checks are required for private sales BUT make it free at a gun shop, police department, OR a website but offer a printout of the results of the check and a bill of sale all in one.
Then the tricky part is how can we take guns from the illegal people without penalizing the legal folks who aren't shooting anyone.
People say ban them, but dc had a handgun ban and their murder rate was 3x the National average meanwhile Vermont doesn't even require a permit to carry. People have guns as young as 16 there but their murder rate is 1/3 of the national average.
Chicago is dangerous, but their gun laws are more strict than NY or CA. Their gun laws just don't ake any sense, yet they are there and people are being killed.
sent from the best smart phone (not phablet) on the worst network- the galaxy S III unfortunately on T-Mobile01-17-2013 04:55 PM
- I lost a good friend at the Aurora, CO shooting, I honestly believe that if there had been a ccw there Matt would still be alive. I miss him everyday, and honestly my thoughts on what should be done to the criminal are not very christian of me.
There is a federal mandated 1000 ft gun free zone around every public school in the U.S.
Every shooter in these mass shooters is either a criminal or a mental health patient. In all cases the laws on the books did nothing to stop them from getting the guns.
Another sad truth is the way gun owners are being demonized and turned into outcasts, around Christmas I posted a link to a gun my wife bought for me. I was immediately blasted for it by several members. Granted it probably wasn't the best forum for that post, but no mods stepped in and closed it or moved it so I am not sure what the problem was.
Link http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...tmas-ever.html01-18-2013 06:52 PM
- Should we pass a law banning smart phones because people kill other people while texting and driving? Should we mandate GPS be active and disable the screen on a smart phone when traveling faster than a walking speed? We do not do these things because it would infringe on the public at large or the passengers while in transit. We all know that lives would be saved by doing them but we still do not.
You do not take away or limit the best tool of individual self defense because some people choose to do wrong. On top of it all it does not work in reducing murders!
Deaths by mass murder are reduced when the murderer is stopped by someone with a gun. Let those trained and licensed to carry a weapon do so everywhere. President Obama should push to end all gun free zones.01-18-2013 07:37 PM
- Clearly, those wrapping themselves in their poorly conceived notion of the 2nd Amendment are refusing to get within a country mile of the sensible questions I previously asked. Their forthcoming childish ridicule (while continuing to avoid serious discussion) will be duly noted.01-19-2013 08:01 AM
- To all the gun haters that say more guns = more crime, how do you explain Vermont having a lower than average murder rate but DC having triple the national average murder rate?
Or Kennesaw, GA having a law that states that every head of household must own a gun and went without a single murder for 25 years?
sent from the best smart phone (not phablet) on the worst network- the galaxy S III unfortunately on T-Mobile01-19-2013 10:04 AM
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