- 03-02-2014, 02:09 PM #2
- 03-02-2014, 02:21 PM #3
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No this is a terrible situation. Less than this has gotten the ball rolling on world wars. Lots of possible outcomes could come out of this. Many of them are terrible for lots of people.Galaxy S3(unlocked on whatever I feel like flashing) ---- Asus Tf300(unlocked on CROMI)
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- 03-02-2014, 02:46 PM #4
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Putin is a megalomaniac. There are a lot of things going on behind the scenes that are at the root of this but mainly Putin has never gotten over the break up of the Soviet Union and he is determined to be the Savior that returns Mother Russia to its former glory, no matter what it takes. If it isn't resolved in the next week or so without escalation, we're in for a bumpy ride. It will be interesting to watch if Congress can pull together and act as one on this crisis.
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- 03-02-2014, 06:07 PM #6
There's a section of Chicago called Ukrainian Village. I've worked with a few electricians from the Ukraine. About 3 years ago, one of the Ukrainian electricians I worked with sent his son to the Ukraine when he turned 16 years old to stay with relatives. On the first day, someone ran up to him and snatched his gold necklace off his neck. Then during the week him and his cousin was mugged by a group 15-16 year old kids and he had all his money stolen. The Ukraine doesn't sound like very nice place to me.
- 03-02-2014, 07:31 PM #8
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- 03-04-2014, 11:59 PM #12
This is a complete load of crap. We have no business involving ourselves in yet another nation's affairs. 1947. 1950. 1952. 1956-75. 79 Iranian Revolution (response to our actions in 1952). Countless sorties and ops throughout Central and South America. Actions in the Middle East that led to creating OBL and Saddam Hussein. Need I go on?
When are we going to stop this war mongering?
- 03-05-2014, 01:46 AM #13
And there is a critical reason why we need to. In addition to the treaty we signed for Ukraine, part of the membership agreement in NATO is for NATO countries to come to the defense and aid of each other. Guess what is just on the other side of Ukraine's borders? NATO countries. Ukraine has acted as somewhat of a buffer here, but if it returns to cold war status, and east meets west right up against each other again....well, it's not too hard to see history repeating itself here. And that won't be beneficial for anyone.
Yes our involvement in world affairs has caused some problems, and it hasn't been perfect...no foreign policy ever can be. But sitting back and letting the world go to hell around you really doesn't work either.
- 03-05-2014, 07:10 AM #14
Here's the problem, I bet no one here knows what you're talking about when you mentioned Iran in 1952. Nobody here knows what we did in Chile when their democratically elected president, Salvador Allende said, the wealth of Chile shall belong to the people of Chile and attempted to nationalize the copper mines of Chile. Why were we in Vietnam? To stop the spread of Communism? How many lives were lost? Now we're trading partners with Communist Vietnam? How could that be.
What would happen if Puerto Rico had the same type of riots and overthrew their standing government? Would we standby? Or would we send in troops to restore democracy? Would that be any different from what is happening in the Ukraine?
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- 03-05-2014, 07:51 AM #15
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Many people are on some kind of one way thinking that all involvement of the US military is somehow evil and wrong. It really doesn't matter the circumstances. It's an ideology that involves in my opinion a bit of anti American train of thought and that we are the trouble makers. While getting involved in righting wrongs in the world is never perfect, like said above, if we never did anything, the world would not be as it is today. Non of these "war monger" proponents use common sense or rational thought. Heck many people vote this way.. hence why we are in the mess we're in.
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- 03-05-2014, 08:25 AM #16
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Remember when some of you chuckled when Obama said in the debate with Romney "the eighties called and they want their foreign policy back" in his comedian in chief style? "Russia is not a threat ". Aside from the non professional attitude, the fact that he didn't recognize the power and interests of Putin is down right scary.
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- 03-05-2014, 11:22 AM #17
Many of you folks seem to believe the only two options on the table are to either live under a rock to hide from a "cruel world" or to take it over ourselves. I largely put this down to the propaganda of the Rep/Dem party (or "parties" if that's how you want to believe) and its influence on a public that knows of no other options.
- 03-05-2014, 12:10 PM #18
- 03-05-2014, 12:21 PM #19
"We need to fight them over there so we don't have to fight them over here" is actually good advice on a certain fundamental level. Unfortunately, it is advice better applied to a long scope of time, not merely "only" to present events.
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- 03-05-2014, 02:12 PM #22
We don't need to be at the front of everything just because we're viewed as the most powerful country in the world. Sometimes stuff that happens "there" just needs to be handled by those "there".
- 03-05-2014, 02:16 PM #23
This could be the "long scope of time" you mentioned just becoming more "public".
- 03-05-2014, 02:59 PM #24
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