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    Discussing ideas is great. That's what makes the forums so great. That said, getting personal or insulting other members is unacceptable. Please just keep it on topic.
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    A criminal advocating for stricter gun laws...

    This guy is a ****** and registered sex offender

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    Source... Credibility.... Nevermind. You can tell from the comments, title of the blog, graphics and links that this is fringe. That's before reading the lies and twisted facts strung together to generate fear and page clicks.

    That's a solution to protection for children?

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    That's a solution to protection for children?
    No. It's just more cheap partisan hackery meant to both insult those on the left of Attila the Hun as well as to propagandize firearm ownership.

    Legislatively killing the NRA's "Relief from Disability Program" (aka: firearms for felons program) would be a starting point reasonable people could agree upon.

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    New Yorkers may not have to turn in their guns but what about the magazines? Not many guns come with a 7 rd limit. Most are mad because there was no open debate. It was passed late night early morning sliding it through. Just what I've heard from New Yorkers.

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    From an article on gunowners.org:

    why expanding our current system of background checks would be a HORRIBLE idea to implement:

    Violation of Rights. The principle that no American can own a firearm without getting the go-ahead from the government is offensive to Americans.

    Ineffective. One of the nationís leading anti-gun medical publications, the Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA), found that the Brady law has failed to reduce murder rates. In August 2000, JAMA reported that states implementing waiting periods and background checks did ďnot [experience] reductions in homicide rates or overall suicide rates.Ē And to be sure, Universal background checks would not have stopped Adam Lanza (who stole his guns), or James Holmes or Jared Loughner (who passed background checks).

    Overreaching. The NICS list currently contains the names of more than 150,000 law-abiding veterans who didnít do anything wrong (but honorably served their country and then sought counseling for their wartime experiences) -- and could soon contain tens of millions of names of Medicaid patients with post partem depression, IDEA students with ADHD, and soldiers, police, and firemen with PTSD.

    Framework for confiscation. Anyone who doesnít believe a national gun registry leads to national gun confiscation should consider the confidential memorandum advocating confiscation and circulated by New York Democrats prior to their most recent round of New York gun control.
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    Here's another article on the NY Safe act.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    /SNIP/
    Your attached image is a simultaneous threat and insult to every thinking American who values a civil society. A truly appropriate response would not make make it past the forum censors.
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    Threat and insult?????

    I don't know how you came to that conclusion. There was no intent to harm or insult anyone.

    This image does not show anything thatís violent. It's not showing anybody getting shot in any way. It's just a picture of a gun. It's nothing -- nobody getting shot, nobody getting it pointed at them, it's nothing, this is just a picture i found on the internet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Threat and insult?????

    I don't know how you came to that conclusion. There was no intent to harm or insult anyone.

    This image does not show anything thatís violent. It's not showing anybody getting shot in any way. It's just a picture of a gun. It's nothing -- nobody getting shot, nobody getting it pointed at them, it's nothing, this is just a picture i found on the internet.
    The threat and insult is contained within the message to which you clearly subscribe. "MY AR-15 will never be illegal ... It will simply be 'undocumented'". As if it was really necessary to point that out to you?
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    Live2Ride, it's pointless to argue with a fool. They usually just drag you down to their level.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Markster1 View Post
    Live2Ride, it's pointless to argue with a fool. They usually just drag you down to their level.
    Honestly I don't see him as a fool. I think he has a right to voice his opinion. Where I have issues is the superiority complex that comes through in almost all of the posts as well as the condescending attitude. Despite that I still listen to his opinion, once in awhile I admit he does manage to get a little bit under my skin which i think is his goal but I just take a step back, a deep breath and then carry on.

    I still cannot comprehend the threat in the picture I posted.
    I miss my friend Matt McQuinn he touched so many lives, and in the end gave his life to protect someone that he loved. I am proud to have known him, and of the choices he made when it mattered. You were a true hero.

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    ^^Again raging against personalities while, simultaneously, avoiding like the plague the central point? Have you no shame?
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    The new law prohibits the sale of any quantity of ammunition by anyone other than a licensed dealer and requires that such dealer perform a criminal background check on the purchaser and forward the purchaser's name, address, age, and occupation, and the quantity, caliber, and make of the ammunition, to a State Police database. Thus, the ammunition database creates a de facto universal long gun registry. A hunter who purchases a box of five 12-gauge deer slugs may think that his purchase is innocent enough; however, it will have the effect of informing the State Police that he owns a 12-gauge shotgun, enabling them to confiscate it in the future if they so choose.


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    If youre not committing any crimes, what's the harm? While criminals may not follow this, this system will regulate ammo, which is exactly what I stated should be done.
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    The new law prohibits the sale of any quantity of ammunition by anyone other than a licensed dealer and requires that such dealer perform a criminal background check on the purchaser and forward the purchaser's name, address, age, and occupation, and the quantity, caliber, and make of the ammunition, to a State Police database. Thus, the ammunition database creates a de facto universal long gun registry. A hunter who purchases a box of five 12-gauge deer slugs may think that his purchase is innocent enough; however, it will have the effect of informing the State Police that he owns a 12-gauge shotgun, enabling them to confiscate it in the future if they so choose.


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    If youre not committing any crimes, what's the harm? While criminals may not follow this, this system will regulate ammo, which is exactly what I stated should be done.
    From the article:

    Shockingly enough, in many ways the "assault weapons ban" is actually one of the statute's lesser infringements on the Second Amendment. The statute criminalizes, potentially criminalizes, or places under state surveillance even the most innocuous, banal, and pedestrian forms of gun ownership, and it restricts the right of self-defense.
    The new law prohibits the sale of any quantity of ammunition by anyone other than a licensed dealer and requires that such dealer perform a criminal background check on the purchaser and forward the purchaser's name, address, age, and occupation, and the quantity, caliber, and make of the ammunition, to a State Police database. Thus, the ammunition database creates a de facto universal long gun registry. A hunter who purchases a box of five 12-gauge deer slugs may think that his purchase is innocent enough; however, it will have the effect of informing the State Police that he owns a 12-gauge shotgun, enabling them to confiscate it in the future if they so choose.

    The purchase of large quantities of ammunition will likely set off alarm bells at State Police headquarters. But what is truly sinister about the ammunition registry is that no one actually knows "how much" will be deemed "too much" -- because the law does not prohibit the purchase or ownership of any specific quantity of ammunition. Thus, one may become the target of a police investigation for engaging in a perfectly legal activity. Since many gun owners have vowed to defy the "assault weapons" registration, it is highly likely that the State Police will use the ammunition database as a means to discover and confiscate unregistered rifles.

    The ammunition registration is crucial to the law's confiscation scheme. The law affirmatively requires that a person's firearms must be confiscated if any order of protection is filed against him -- no matter how bogus the complaint may be. It also requires that a "mental health professional" (including a physician) who believes that an individual is a danger to himself or others must report his diagnosis to the police for purposes of firearm confiscation. Such a diagnosis is highly subjective and could be easily politicized. (For instance, in the 1964 presidential campaign, a group of psychiatrists "diagnosed" conservative Sen. Barry Goldwater as insane.) But the law exempts such "professionals" from civil liability; thus, any "mental health professional" who believes that all gun owners are "nuts" could initiate the confiscation of a person's firearms, and the gun owner is forbidden to file a civil suit to challenge the "diagnosis."

    The SAFE Act also severely infringes on the right of self-defense from criminal predation. Although Article 35 of New York Penal law allows the use of deadly force in the event of a home invasion, the SAFE Act restricts the ammunition capacity of all centerfire guns to seven rounds. If you possess a magazine loaded with more than seven rounds in your own home, you are guilty of a criminal offense.
    So suppose a criminal with a stolen handgun and an illegal 15-round magazine invades your home. If you shoot at him with more than eight rounds (seven plus one in the chamber), you will be criminally charged, and your magazine (and possibly your firearm) will be confiscated and destroyed without compensation, because you have now used it in the commission of a crime. Beyond that, since a handgun permit in New York is not merely a permit to carry, but a permit to possess, after you have been charged with the crime of shooting at the home invader with a high-capacity magazine, your permit will be revoked, and all of your handguns will be confiscated.


    The seven-round magazine limit effectively bans or severely restricts the use of perhaps 75% of the firearms designed in the past 100 years. Seven-round magazines simply do not exist for common firearms such as the 13-shot Browning Hi-Power pistol, first manufactured in 1935, or the 10-shot Ruger 10/22 rifle, five million of which have been manufactured since the 1960s. The M-1 "Garand" rifle, adopted by the U.S. Army in 1936, was designed exclusively to use an eight-round "clip," which will now be considered an illegal "high capacity ammunition feeding device." Although the Act "grandfathers" existing ten-round magazines, it forbids owners to put more than seven rounds in them, and it requires lawful owners of magazines capable of holding more than ten rounds to sell them out of state, surrender them, or destroy them. This is clearly an unconstitutional deprivation of private property, in violation of the Fifth Amendment.
    The law also prohibits the private "sale" or "exchange" of any firearm to any person unless a licensed dealer performs the "sale" and a background check.
    The politically correct law exempts parents, spouses, children, stepchildren and "domestic partners." Thus, the divorced Cuomo may legally give his live-in girlfriend Sandra Lee a firearm without a dealer transfer and background check, but if a serial ****** and murderer (such as the notorious "Bike Path ******" Altemio Sanchez , who terrorized women for three decades while the cops put the wrong guy in prison) is on the loose, you may not give a shotgun to your sister for self-protection. You may give your live-in gay lover a firearm, but you may not give your brother or nephew a .22 rifle on Christmas Eve. The law does not clarify how long someone must be in possession of a firearm before such possession is understood to be an "exchange"; thus, it is possible that lending a rifle to your brother-in-law for deer season without a dealer transfer and a background check could be construed as an illegal "exchange." You would then be a criminal, and the gun used in the "crime" could be confiscated and destroyed.
    Finally, the SAFE Act requires that gun owners report any "loss or theft" of a firearm or ammunition to the police within 24 hours. Failure to do so is a criminal offense. Read literally, a deer hunter in Saranac Lake who drops a single 12-gauge slug in the snow and cannot find it is a criminal unless he reports the loss to the police.

    The New York SAFE Act is one of the most breathtakingly brazen assaults on the Constitution and on individual liberty in the history of the United States. Cuomo has gleefully thumbed his nose at the Supreme Court's Heller and McDonald decisions in 2008 and 2010 affirming the right to keep and bear arms. The intent of the law is to suppress and criminalize the common use of firearms, including guns not defined as "assault weapons."
    The SAFE Act must be resisted on all levels. I urge firearm manufacturers, like Remington and Kimber, to leave New York State as soon as possible and stop paying taxes to a government that seeks to suppress the right to own their products. Firearms wholesalers and police supply outfits should boycott New York State law enforcement agencies. Gun manufacturers should refuse sales and warranty service to police agencies in the state. I strongly counsel residents of other states who value liberty to avoid New York at all costs. Avoid tourist trips to New York City; the law has made a mockery of the Statue of "Liberty." Residents of other states should avoid moving to New York under all but the most dire circumstances, and New York residents should begin making plans to leave as soon as possible.
    New York has the highest taxes in the nation. Twenty-five percent of the population is on Medicaid. It has the highest rate of union membership in the nation. It is ranked as the least "business-friendly" state in the country. There is nothing to be gained in New York (unless you are on welfare). Nothing.
    Above all else, remember that even if you do not live in New York, you cannot be complacent. The gun-banners are coming after you next.


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    Your answer is A LOT of harm...
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    I don't think so. NY has a massive illegal gun, prescription pill abuse, high-tax problem. It was a matter of time until they tried to push legislation through. I'm fine with it because I don't see the need for everyone to own high powered weapons. We have shotguns, 1 ar (NOT an ar-15) and a few hand guns. They need to worry about handguns, in my opinoin.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nolittdroid View Post
    I don't think so. NY has a massive illegal gun, prescription pill abuse, high-tax problem. It was a matter of time until they tried to push legislation through. I'm fine with it because I don't see the need for everyone to own high powered weapons. We have shotguns, 1 ar (NOT an ar-15) and a few hand guns. They need to worry about handguns, in my opinoin.
    And when will you care? I'm sure someone wants the govt to ban shotguns because they don't like them. No one agrees on everything, but you can't make a law against everything people don't like. Why do people want the government to write a law about something they don't like? DONT BUY ONE!
    I always thought that being liberal was a mindset of live and let live. Very limited government. Except things you don't agree with and demand others do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolittdroid View Post
    I don't think so. NY has a massive illegal gun, prescription pill abuse, high-tax problem. It was a matter of time until they tried to push legislation through. I'm fine with it because I don't see the need for everyone to own high powered weapons. We have shotguns, 1 ar (NOT an ar-15) and a few hand guns. They need to worry about handguns, in my opinoin.
    So your OK with the guilty until proven innocent approach because that's exactly what that legislation is getting at.

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    Well, I'm not a liberal. I just don't see the need for gun control...OR to own a bunch of guns. Funny how that works.

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    So your OK with the guilty until proven innocent approach because that's exactly what that legislation is getting at.

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    Yes, that is EXACTLY what I wrote. You are really reaching there. Do you live in NY?
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    So your OK with the guilty until proven innocent approach because that's exactly what that legislation is getting at.

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    I honestly think its more of a political party thing. If your political party says it, you must follow.

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    I honestly think its more of a political party thing. If your political party says it, you must follow.

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    Take a look at the video below, it shows the bullet pattern of several weapons including an ar-15, shotgun and a few pistols. I have several ar-15's and I just placed an order for a few ar-30a1's. I should be able to decide what I need to defend my home, family, property with.

    As a family we enjoy shooting, there are some months that we go thru in excess of 1500 rounds of ammunition between the 5 of us. With myself probably shooting the bulk of that.


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    I honestly think its more of a political party thing. If your political party says it, you must follow.

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    I carry no political affiliation. I couldn't care less about politics but what I do care about is my freedom and this witch hunt is ridiculous. Same as stopping gay marriage, or not accelerating the death penalty inmates. I just hate terrible legislation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nolittdroid View Post
    Well, I'm not a liberal. I just don't see the need for gun control...OR to own a bunch of guns. Funny how that works.

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    Yes, that is EXACTLY what I wrote. You are really reaching there. Do you live in NY?
    So you'd rather limit a persons free choice even if he is an upstanding citizen?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Live2ride883 View Post
    Take a look at the video below, it shows the bullet pattern of several weapons including an ar-15, shotgun and a few pistols. I have several ar-15's and I just placed an order for a few ar-30a1's. I should be able to decide what I need to defend my home, family, property with.

    As a family we enjoy shooting, there are some months that we go thru in excess of 1500 rounds of ammunition between the 5 of us. With myself probably shooting the bulk of that.
    When a manufacturer determines, for its own reasons, to end production of a firearm, are they infringing your rights? Yes or No.
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