- 09-06-2012, 12:21 AM
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- 09-06-2012, 12:56 AM #2
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
Great post man. There is alot of great information here for people who might now know what a "nexus" is. When ever i hear someone complain about updates or there device slowing i direct them to a nexus device. My only hope is there more readily available in the feature. Not everyone feel comfortable not buying a phone from a carrier. As well as not having a carrier warranty. But if the nexus line does get expanded hopefully its enough to educate people on what android really is at its core. Not to disrespect sense or touch wiz since that's what android is to the vast majority of the world.
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http://www.youtube.com/user/DroidDavi/featured - 09-06-2012, 01:36 AM
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Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
I think some where along the line seeing android grow and the competition between smartphones I gain an ideal for Nexus is defined. Only lately questioned the concept of nexus just based on fact I was in so disbelief people would state a new nexus would not have klp. I thought to myself and voiced my opinion on the concept that new nexus brings a new android os which is what I thought was part of the nexus concept. However what I mention above proves my definition is not the same for Google as I believed.
Also I just got tired of myself and others idea of nexus device in general and defining what "nexus" means I thought I research the nexus concept and op is what I found. Google has not change the principle of Nexus, Pure Android, or Google Experience at all but the people have greatly skewed the concept into something else. IMHOLast edited by bunique4life05; 10-19-2012 at 08:48 PM.
Google is for the people and by the people. Android is for the people and by the tech people. Nexus is for the geeks and by the geeks.
Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-06-2012, 05:36 AM #4
I agree that the basics on the nexus might be changed but its still at its core what Google wants. Its the reference device 1st to have a the new OS. Which in turn makes it the best service to develop on. Those things also make it the most popular phone for mods and ROMs. I think Google understands who there customer base is. And will keep on serving us. I choose to use nexus devices because
1. No carrier b.s.
2. Newest software
3. Rooting and tweaking my phone is short of a hobby. I have always had a passion for tech. Having the newest software makes me happy
And finally I think its the best version on android.
If you don't mind Im thinking of making a video of my YouTube with some of the nexus information. I think it would make a interesting video
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http://www.youtube.com/user/DroidDavi/featured - 09-06-2012, 08:26 AM
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Go head this info accessible to everyone.
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Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-06-2012, 09:02 AM #6
- 09-06-2012, 01:32 PM
Thread Author #7
What does "Nexus", "Google Experience", and"Pure Android" mean?
Definitions
Nexus/Google Experience:
"Google's Nexus and "Google experience" devices, by definition, are meant to get Android upgrades fast -- more or less as soon as the software is released. That's one of the products' key benefits: Since the software is controlled by Google and free from manufacturer meddling, the upgrades are handled directly by Google as well."
Nexus/Pure Android:
"The Nexus is a series of mobile devices using the Android operating system produced by Google in cooperation with selected hardware manufacturers. The purpose of the Nexus series is to offer a "pure Android" experience,[1] in which the devices come free of carrier or manufacturer modifications and with an unlockable bootloader[2] to allow for further development and end-user modification.[3] Nexus devices are considered the "flagship" Android devices and are the first to receive updates to the operating system."
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Google is for the people and by the people. Android is for the people and by the tech people. Nexus is for the geeks and by the geeks.
Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-06-2012, 01:37 PM #8
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
Im the tyoe of person that gives credit where its due. Its all out there on the internet but you took the time to put it together.
I just cant wait for the new nexus. I am ordering my Nexus 7 next week and want a new nexus to go with itswing by my youtube channel and tech blog
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http://www.youtube.com/user/DroidDavi/featured - 09-06-2012, 01:49 PM
Thread Author #9
I see your point. Oh I am definitely ready for nexus smartphone since I have had my N7. I haven't seen stock android for over a year since I retired my G1. I never dove into the android experience on my G1 and only having sense has my training wheels on my Thunderbolt I learned to appreciated having Stock JB on my N7. I agree that I need a nexus phone to match my N7 and from now on I am all for "Pure Android". I see only nexus devices in my future.
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Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-06-2012, 03:32 PM #10
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
Is there a rule for a Nexus device on the Verizon network? I love that I am still rocking Ice Cream sandwich....should I switch to T Mobile? Very tempted!!!!
- 09-06-2012, 03:40 PM #11
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
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http://www.youtube.com/user/DroidDavi/featured - 09-06-2012, 03:46 PM #12
Yeah the only reason as u can c that I'm not mashing the update button is because I already have a working job ROM thanks to Paul and company lol
Sent from my Nexus S 4g rockin jellybean using Tapatalk 2 - 09-06-2012, 11:14 PM #13
IMO the Nexus was the developer edition, used for app developers to test their apps on the the latest version of Android on up-to-date (read not necessarily next-gen) hardware.
Now IMO, Nexus is Google's brand for the definitive Google experience for Android.
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I have seen misconception of Google's idea with the "Nexus" that grew over time not by Google but by "us". Google definition of their idea has not change but how people interpret the idea has.
The nexus is not...
-a device with the latest hardware
-an answer to the iPhone,iPad etc...
-law or even promised that every reiteration of nexus would come with brand new android OS.
-a promised annual device
A lot of these idea have been adopted into nexus over years by "us" and all of these notions arw not what nexus is or striving to be.
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Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
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Google is for the people and by the people. Android is for the people and by the tech people. Nexus is for the geeks and by the geeks.
Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-08-2012, 12:59 PM #18
Bottom line: Nexus is what Google chooses it to be, not what any of think it is.
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Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
The Concept on Android Updates
"With Ice Cream Sandwich, Google may have finally solidified how Android updates will work. Back in 2010, Andy Rubin sat down for an interview and laid out how Google will try to move from two updates a year, to one. In the interview with Rubin, by saying, “our product cycle is now, basically twice a year,” he implies that one product cycle equals one dessert name change.
In 2010, there was two dessert name changes, or product cycles, with the introduction of Android 2.2 and 2.3. In 2011, the number scheme was thrown out of whack with Honeycomb, but nonetheless, there was only Android 3.x, Honeycomb, and Android 4.0, Ice Cream Sandwich. So far in 2012, there’s only been 4.1, Jelly Bean."
[HL]What waiting would mean for the Nexus program, we don’t know. Google could very well release a new Nexus phone with 4.1 in November. They could release a new Nexus phone with 4.1.x, and include some noteworthy changes. They could decide not to release a phone at all.
[/HL]
On a side not I think this statement is true and is also what divides many people in countless debates. Google could choose to do any possible points of highlight and still be following their concept of the Nexus line and Android Updates. Like I mention before the highlighted statement brings people in many debates on because they come with presumption ideas Google never promised. Regardless what every path Google chooses for end year I will be happy either way.Last edited by bunique4life05; 09-08-2012 at 02:30 PM.
Google is for the people and by the people. Android is for the people and by the tech people. Nexus is for the geeks and by the geeks.
Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-08-2012, 02:26 PM
Thread Author #20
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
BACK TO OP
[HL]"Maybe that will be the end result of the original rumor pointing towards multiple Nexus devices releasing this fall. Instead of five new Nexus devices being released, five devices will be introduced into the AOSP. Nexus phones would be more like Nexus Edition phones. And if Google could get them all unlocked, off-contract into the Google Play store for around $400? That would be far bigger news than any one new device. It would be the evolution of the Nexus program itself."
[/HL]
This is probably most intriguing idea of read about multiple Nexuses rumor I have heard. Also brings up a bigger question into mix of the Nexus Concept. What makes the Nexus a Nexus is it the hardware and software or is just the software?
Hypothetical Example
I have a brand new Sony Xperia TX and either sony comes out with software up allow me access from Google to have vanilla Jelly Bean and like Nexus device will get updates from Google. Is my Sony Xperia TX now a nexus what would make it? I mean I getting software and updates straight from Google...?
OR
Sony and Google partner up and release a Sony Xperia TX which hardware wise is exactly the same but comes with vanilla Jelly Bean out the box
(LETS IGNORE THE SD CARD/GSM/CDMA SEMANTICS FOR SAKE OF MAKING THE ARGUMENT LESS COMPLEX)Google is for the people and by the people. Android is for the people and by the tech people. Nexus is for the geeks and by the geeks.
Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-09-2012, 11:06 AM #21
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
For me, a "Google Experience" device has a suite of Google apps pre-loaded which can change based on the device and Android version being used. I think JR Raphael in the Computer World article is simply wrong for thinking Nexus and Google Experience are the same thing.
"Pure Android" isn't really a class of device IMO, but a term commonly used to describe a Nexus device or a device that isn't a Nexus but is running a stock build of Android.
A Nexus device is best defined by Wikipedia. Notice there is no mention of the phrase "Google Experience" in the definition.
I could be completely wrong also, but that is how I separate those three terms.
What makes the Nexus a Nexus is it the hardware and software or is just the software?
Both. Every Nexus device (so far) has been built with Google's input. There is room to play in the hardware side of it as far as different screen sizes, processers, cameras, etc. but there are certain hardware features that Google requires of a nexus device. Those required hardware features can change as the software evolves. For instance no front-facing physical buttons, front-facing camera, and minimum amounts of RAM. - 09-09-2012, 11:45 AM
Thread Author #22
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
I don't think JR is specifically saying the Nexus is the only Google Experience and the Google Experience could include the G1 series of devices that are not part of Nexus line. I think he only speaking where Google is at currently and Nexus is only current device you can get stock with Pure Android and Google Experience. I don't really know either but Pure Android and Google Experience are two terms Google uses extensively but hard differentiate from two terms.
IMO
Google Experience:is all pre-load Google Apps
Pure Android: Vanilla Android
Ok so you say both the hardware and software make a nexus device. Then going back to the hypothetical example with Sony Xperia TX would not be consider a Nexus Upgrade because the hardware was not chosen by Google. Lets talk about the other half of hypothetical where Google and Sony made a separate Sony Xperia TX exactly the same device hardware wise just shipped out the box without carrier or oem bloatware and just had vanilla Jelly Bean. What would this device be? Would Google be pushing the Nexus idea into more Window OS. Where one could have option to have oem os or pure android os on selected devices from Google. I really don't know how many times people have said "I would love a nexus version of this phone a or this phone b etc...
This idea of upgrading your favorite oem android device to vanilla android os is rather hard idea see the benefits and the negatives for Google. Even harder to see is this the direction falls in line with the purpose of the Nexus. I think on the developers/android enthusiast would love this idea but honestly could see the benefit for developer would have with this idea over just have an actual Nexus device. This upgrading concept I see very little use for idea for the masses.Google is for the people and by the people. Android is for the people and by the tech people. Nexus is for the geeks and by the geeks.
Solve
[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
______ - 09-10-2012, 08:15 AM #23
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
I would not consider that hypothetical Sony a "Nexus" device. That would be a device that simply runs stock Android. You could describe it as "pure Android" since it has no bloatware or overlays. If Sony and Google worked together on some hardware then it could be considered a Nexus but I doubt it would look the same.
The computer world article says "Google's Nexus and "Google experience" devices, by definition, are meant to get Android upgrades fast -- more or less as soon as the software is released."
If you look at an old HTC Hero or a lot of early Android phones, on the back it says "with Google". This is where my understanding of "Google Experience" stems from. The Hero is not stock Android and not a Nexus, so it must be about the pre-loaded apps. - 09-10-2012, 11:54 AM #24
- 09-10-2012, 12:06 PM
Thread Author #25
Re: Nexus Concept of the Past, Present, and Future
Question is Nexus the evolved idea of G1?
I agree the apps are the core principle of the "Google Experience". I have hear recently in commercials back to GN them referring to Google Experience as the list of Google Apps and their user functionality.
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[Nexus (A) + the latest and greatest tech] < [Nexus (B) + the best proven and optimize tech]
Answer
Nexus (A) is less than Nexus (B)
Nexus (B) is greater than Nexus (A)
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