[bunique4life05]

In broad terms the title of the thread uses are diversity and singularity which specifically in question what asking is about Nexus devices.

Singularity equal for Nexus a singular device that establishes uniformity between devices. That there is only one option of manufactur to produce that Nexus as well as the hardware inside. For example of singularity for Nexus would be similar to iPhone's structure. Singularity for Nexus could also be set of devices limited in specs and dimension of device like the Window 7/8 phones. Diversity in Nexus devices would have no limitations that singularity idea poses except for fact software would be same across the board. Between to two ideas many well have there preference.


Which would you prefer nexus to follow singularity (I.E: iPhone or Windows Phone 7/8) or diversity?

I prefer singularity with Nexus line in fashion of how Windows 7 and 8 are being structured. I feel to many options is unnecessary for example a Nexus smartphone with a keyboard and one without a keyboard is where I would say say keyboard is unnecessary. The nexus should have what industry and masses most desire and not the minority. With Android right now 4.5 to 4.8 is screem size, HD Display, lte, and dual core are what mass want. That is what I want and the limits that should be the focus for Nexus.

To go into specifics on my preference of singularity is I would like the major 5 mobile manufactures: Sony, LG,Samsung, Motorolla, and HTC to make Nexus devices under same guideline. I will use smart phones as bases of guideline the all would be 4.7 inch HD displays with 1.5ghz dual core, 1G memory, and have 16GB and 32GB storage versions. Now where the manufacture are limited in certain specs they are not limited any particular brand to meet those specs. Furthermore in my opinion manufacture would focus more on quality, design and ergonomics as well focus on improving extisting tech to it's fullest.

The more important questions I am after are:

For Google would diversity for Nexus apeal masses as well be profitable and why?

I think diversity could be very profitable as if see the Droid line but I looked at HTC line has shown it can be unprofitable. If Google was to promote in less saturated marketing as the Droid Razr line then I could seen Nexus line in that form very profitable. I would not prefer it because it would promote options I would not want going back to keyboard example. Appeasing to every market for budget to flagship device and the options in specs done successful could gain mass apeal. Unfortunately the Nexus name would be recognize in same light as a corporation like Samsung and rest mobile manufactures and would be competing in every market of tech. Thus this would lead issues for Google and it's partners as well a line between Nexus and Android.

For Google would singularity for Nexus apeal to mass as well be profitable and why?

If they structure the Nexus like Galaxy and iPhone line then yes. The trouble would getting the majority to comform to one particular product and structure it follows.



Would it be easier for Google to employ singularity or diversity for Nexus and why?

Employing singularity for Nexus would be easy for simple fact of constant control over all that is involved with the Nexus line. The manufactures and Google would only have deal with constant variables and all changes would be minor because all ground work would be set aside the first time. Back to limiting the OEM's involved to make Nexus would make process and problem solving easier next time around. Involving mobile carrier to get behind the Nexus lines would be easier because their not different market niches to choose from compared the idea of diversity with array of different Nexus devices. Furthermore it would be eaiser to have Nexus line as whole at each carrier because nexus line in a singular form would be owm niche and can be differentiated with other mainstream products.


Which ultimately stand the test time for Google and Nexus line diversity or singularity?

Both diversity and singularity could be successful and have longevity. I think it comes down what you rather see Nexus line become. Would you like Nexus line to be specialized products or a vast general array of products.

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[Caldera]

A case can be made for the benefits of greater consistency, but it's hard to argue against diversity: Android would already be dead without it. The Nexus 7 experiment has given the average consumer a taste of unfettered Android, and the results of that experiment will probably have some bearing on how the Nexus line is handled in the future.

[bunique4life05]

The majority of Android users are using carrier phones. I can't see any Nexus putting a dent in this. The Nexus is open, and asking carriers to get behind it is much like asking your neighbor to mow your lawn as well when he mows his.

While it would be nice to see all hardware become open, the FCC screwed up with wireless (along with just about everything else since the Ma Bell days), and carriers clearly want to lock you up. They can't do that with an open phone.

So until the FCC mandates open standards (and I don't see that happening anytime soon, if at all, given the money carriers have to throw into lobby) the Nexus will remain a niche product for those that have the wherewithal to seek it out. And while it would be nice to see a full range of Nexus product, I don't know that the market-size will ever support it.

I can see your point to extent but pertain to singularity and diversity it seems foggy. Will you elaborate?

A case can be made for the benefits of greater consistency, but it's hard to argue against diversity: Android would already be dead without it. The Nexus 7 experiment has given the average consumer a taste of unfettered Android, and the results of that experiment will probably have some bearing on how the Nexus line is handled in the future.

You add more depth to what I said in closing of my OG post. The scope of Nexus line depend on out come from the Nexus 7 which something I did not even consider but makes a lot sense. How would Nexus 7 good or bad effect where the Nexus line will go in terms of diversity and singularity?

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[bunique4life05]

GAWD… what was I thinking (hand slaps to forehead), I wasn't even thinking about the N7. And this, the device that actually got me excited about Android. I sincerely hope that all of the issues about it (mine included) posted here and other places are an insignificant minority in the big scheme of things as it is a wonderful device.

You are not alone because I forgot about N7 having any effect on what Google doss in the future with the Nexus line.

But had a friend not shown me his, it would have gone unnoticed by me as just another Android tab. As I alluded to in my previous post, all the folks I know with Android have it because it was provided on a carrier phone. I don't think any of them sought it out… it is just an underpinning of their phone. Android needs to change this perception in the masses. Samsung's S3 is "wondrous" more because of Android than Samsung, yet there is no mention of it in the marketing.

I definitely a agree Google need to change marketing strategy which I have discussed in other threads of my and others. This beside the point and don't want talk much about marketing but the Nexus line from conception to marketing needs to change if it was to appeal to the masses.



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[Caldera]

How would Nexus 7 good or bad effect where the Nexus line will go in terms of diversity and singularity?

Price is the biggest feather in the N7's cap. It remains to be seen if the average person will be willing to pay premium prices for a high-end Nexus, especially one that isn't made by Samsung. The success or failure of the N7 may answer some important questions; Are Nexus devices niche products, or iPhone/iPad competitors? Does the average person care about stock Android? Do they care enough to pay for it?

Android needs to change this perception in the masses. Samsung's S3 is "wondrous" more because of Android than Samsung, yet there is no mention of it in the marketing.

I agree, Samsung has more mind share (at least among certain demographics) than Android as a whole, and that's a problem that needs to be addressed. I think the Nexus devices are the best way to attack this problem, and diversity will be key.

[jamesbrown33]

I agree with you in that a windows phone style of controlled would be great for a nexus lineup. Have a set screen resolution and chip set and have the differentiation be primarily through industrial design. I do not agree that they should all be 4.5-4.8" screens with no keyboard. Controlling the internal components is good because it establishes a common setup for developers to target, but constraining the form factor does not give a similar benefit.

[bunique4life05]

I agree with you in that a windows phone style of controlled would be great for a nexus lineup. Have a set screen resolution and chip set and have the differentiation be primarily through industrial design. I do not agree that they should all be 4.5-4.8" screens with no keyboard. Controlling the internal components is good because it establishes a common setup for developers to target, but constraining the form factor does not give a similar benefit.

The limitation form factor would be downside to the minority few IMO but we be plus for the devs. In end it depends on if Google wants the Nexus line to be like the Droid Line or like the iPhone,S3 and Window Phone line.

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[bunique4life05]

Unless the current market forces change (which I don't see happening anytime in the foreseeable future), I don't see room for a lot of diversity for Nexus… at least not in the cell phone sector. Now when I composed that post I hadn't even stopped to think about Nexus 7, or Nexus in yet another form factor. So while I don't see support for a lot of diversity for the smart phone market, I can envision more of it in the way of more products that may blur the line between smartphones and the personal computer.

Interesting do you have a preface where Google goes with the Nexus line?

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[dmmarck]

As Android expands Google will need a reference for that expansion. To that end, I favor diversity.

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[bunique4life05]

As Android expands Google will need a reference for that expansion. To that end, I favor diversity.

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So are you saying Nexus should be the example for every genre of devices;for example, tablets, phablets, QWERTY keyboard smart phones,etc...

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[dmmarck]

So are you saying Nexus should be example of all Andriod genre of devices for example tablets, phablets, QWERTY keyboard smart phones,etc...

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Yup. That's how it has usually been conveyed (at least IMO), and with the release of the 7, Q, Xoom, Galaxy Nexus, etc., that's how it's effectively operated.

[bunique4life05]

Yup. That's how it has usually been conveyed (at least IMO), and with the release of the 7, Q, Xoom, Galaxy Nexus, etc., that's how it's effectively operated.

If this is. true I would say Google needs to work faster and release multiple devics. With all rumors multiple Nexus devices and to add another to list the HTC Phablet being a Nexus device would make the list pretty diverse.

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[bunique4life05]

If you follow the rumor list of nexus devices that start with:

Galaxy Nexus 2
LG Optimus Nexus
HTC Nexus 5
Sony Xperia Nexus

I am sure there are more nexus devices rumored but lets start with these. The specs can be different on these nexus devices from this list you have LG Optimus Nexus with same specs of Optimus G. Thus the lg would presumably be super smartphone out the list. Then the Galaxy and Xperia would be the dual core flagship devices. Lastly the HTC Nexus 5 could be the first phablet. Now add the Nexus (7)(7/3G)(10) and maybe a new Nexus Q would have wide array of devices.

I personally don't like the list of rumor nexus devices broke up in different types because if I want a quadcore smartphone I don't want my only choice to be LG. If this were Google is heading with the Nexus line then I hope to remedy that issue I previously mentioned. Those it will always be an issue because could have everyones favorite manufacture all make a nexus for each category of mobile technology. They would have at least 15 nexus device at a time. My final thoughts are if Google goes for diversity then I hope they are successful. I will just have hope Nexus smartphone has all the options I want and not have to weigh pros and cons with each device.

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[bunique4life05]

You are not the only one being selfish. I wish Google would take all the five major mobile manufactures flagship phones and just make a Nexus verision under the limitations we have expressed.

most importantly, facilitate better scalability across multiple classes of devices within the platform.

Can you explain this statement little more?

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[return_0]

I think there should be a diversity with different manufacturers, screen sizes, forms, etc. There should be different screen sizes to please different types of people, but the resolution should be the same to make it easier on developers (remember the Nexus line was originally meant to be a dev phone, not a mainstream consumer phone). Different forms would be nice too (curved, flat, etc) but no QWERTY keyboard, as almost no one wants those anymore.

[Ry]

For smartphones, I'd want a 4 inch qHD Nexus and 4.5 inch HD Nexus. The main differences between the two would be their screen and battery sizes. All other specs (cameras, processor, RAM, GPU) should be exactly the same.

They should come as global HSPA+ models as well as Verizon LTE compatible. You just simply can't ignore Verizon's great overall coverage in the US.

I'm not too passionate about who would make them, but it would be a turnoff if they were manufactured by Samsung - simply because they've had their shot with the last two Nexus smartphones.

I don't want a Nexus from every manufacturer. I don't want 5 Nexus smartphones all coming out at the same time.

I want Google to focus.

If Google wants the Nexus to be a serious consumer brand, they'd sell this phone in all carrier stores, all Best Buys, all Walmarts, and all Targets and off course online in the Google Play store - yes even the Verizon-compatible model. I need to see commercials on TV showing off Google Maps Navigation, Google Now, Google Currents, and Google Drive.

[dobermans rule]

For smartphones, I'd want a 4 inch qHD Nexus and 4.5 inch HD Nexus. The main differences between the two would be their screen and battery sizes. All other specs (cameras, processor, RAM, GPU) should be exactly the same.

They should come as global HSPA+ models as well as Verizon LTE compatible. You just simply can't ignore Verizon's great overall coverage in the US.

I'm not too passionate about who would make them, but it would be a turnoff if they were manufactured by Samsung - simply because they've had their shot with the last two Nexus smartphones.

I don't want a Nexus from every manufacturer. I don't want 5 Nexus smartphones all coming out at the same time.

I want Google to focus.

If Google wants the Nexus to be a serious consumer brand, they'd sell this phone in all carrier stores, all Best Buys, all Walmarts, and all Targets and off course online in the Google Play store - yes even the Verizon-compatible model. I need to see commercials on TV showing off Google Maps Navigation, Google Now, Google Currents, and Google Drive.

I couldn't agree more!

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[Ry]

I couldn't agree more!

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IMO, a Nexus from every manufacturer sold at relatively the same time could kill any potential business for those OEMs for their other handsets.

[bunique4life05]

IMO, a Nexus from every manufacturer sold at relatively the same time could kill any potential business for those OEMs for their other handsets.

How I feel the nexus has it market niche that would not devastate the oem's market share at. All oem's can be differentiate by there marketing, consumer marketing and nichie appeal that only see multiple nexus device sold at same time if they explicitly copy all OEM's nichie and consumer marketing. In addition Google would have slander and exploit oem's through their campain for the nexus line.
I don't see Google taking over the oem's android base without severe acting by Google. The Nexus line would be a least of new devices promoting the Google Experience and Pure Android. What Google will offer is just their version to Android and promise direct updates which to the masses in demand or seen as the superior option but just another option. The oems have established there own ui and ecoystem that has become a welcome standard to their product that what Nexus will be a choice preferance by the minority.

Google taking the minority each OEM's market share will not harm the oems involve. Each manufacture will improve based Nexus Line and implement what have done to make Nexus line successful to add to success their own product line. The Nexus line will gain consumers they could not reach because they would gain noteriety being part if Google Nexus Program.

Can you give details on how releasing multiple nexus devices would harm Google OEM Partners?

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[Ry]

How I feel the nexus has it market niche that would not devastate the oem's market share at. All oem's can be differentiate by there marketing, consumer marketing and nichie appeal that only see multiple nexus device sold at same time if they explicitly copy all OEM's nichie and consumer marketing. In addition Google would have slander and exploit oem's through their campain for the nexus line.
I don't see Google taking over the oem's android base without severe acting by Google. The Nexus line would be a least of new devices promoting the Google Experience and Pure Android. What Google will offer is just their version to Android and promise direct updates which to the masses in demand or seen as the superior option but just another option. The oems have established there own ui and ecoystem that has become a welcome standard to their product that what Nexus will be a choice preferance by the minority.

Google taking the minority each OEM's market share will not harm the oems involve. Each manufacture will improve based Nexus Line and implement what have done to make Nexus line successful to add to success their own product line. The Nexus line will gain consumers they could not reach because they would gain noteriety being part if Google Nexus Program.

Can you give details on how releasing multiple nexus devices would harm Google OEM Partners?

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Main reason?

Price.

I assume Google is going to go cut-throat on pricing - (evidence: Nexus 7 at-cost, Galaxy Nexus $350 - if it was a purely-branded Samsung phone, it would sell for at least $500 right now).

If Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, and Sony brought their best hardware to the Nexus program at the same time at the Google-subsidized price, why would anyone buy a Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, or Sony -branded phone with similar specs?

Keeping Nexus as a niche brand really doesn't require 5 Nexus devices.

[bunique4life05]

Main reason?

Price.

I assume Google is going to go cut-throat on pricing - (evidence: Nexus 7 at-cost, Galaxy Nexus $350 - if it was a purely-branded Samsung phone, it would sell for at least $500 right now).

If Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, and Sony brought their best hardware to the Nexus program at the same time at the Google-subsidized price, why would anyone buy a Samsung, Motorola, HTC, LG, or Sony -branded phone with similar specs?

Keeping Nexus as a niche brand really doesn't require 5 Nexus devices.

Unlocked nexus google play prices will be cheaper than the same unlocked nexus devices on a carrier however the price of carrier will be 100 and 200 dollars against the unlocked GP Store version. The masses like the 2 year subsidized contract form and only the minority will jumped to the Google Play store Nexus devices.

Nexus has a niche market regardless I'd they come out with one nexus devices or multiple nexus devices. Google having Google come out with multiple nexus device is to get name out their masses which can be done nexus as well but don't see yet how either one will harm Google's partners.

It comes down to preface in idea of single nexus device and multiple nexus devices but both could be successful if Google choose either path for all parties involve. The choice in path will minority consumers that are very specific in what they want Nexus line for example you and me. The masses will just either see one Nexus or Multiple Nexus devices in market as long it delievers in standards consumers want in their mobile devices.

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[Ry]

Unlocked nexus google play prices will be cheaper than the same unlocked nexus devices on a carrier however the price of carrier will be 100 and 200 dollars against the unlocked GP Store version. The masses like the 2 year subsidized contract form and only the minority will jumped to the Google Play store Nexus devices.

Nexus has a niche market regardless I'd they come out with one nexus devices or multiple nexus devices. Google having Google come out with multiple nexus device is to get name out their masses which can be done nexus as well but don't see yet how either one will harm Google's partners.

It comes down to preface in idea of single nexus device and multiple nexus devices but both could be successful if Google choose either path for all parties involve. The choice in path will minority consumers that are very specific in what they want Nexus line for example you and me. The masses will just either see one Nexus or Multiple Nexus devices in market as long it delievers in standards consumers want in their mobile devices.

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2 smartphones at most.

Same manufacturer.

Having a Nexus from everyone is not necessary.

[bunique4life05]

2 smartphones at most.

Same manufacturer.

Having a Nexus from everyone is not necessary.

I would say at least have the 3 top major smartphone manufactures make a nexus would be beneficial. Again it's just a matter of preference.


Why two smartphones from same manufacture? What would is unnecessary about having 3-5 nexus device made by different companies?

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[Ry]

I would say at least have the 3 top major smartphone manufactures make a nexus would be beneficial. Again it's just a matter of preference.


Why two smartphones from same manufacture? What would is unnecessary about having 3-5 nexus device made by different companies?

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Why would 3 OEMs be more beneficial?

I only say two so that there's an option for people who don't want giant phones.


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[bunique4life05]

Why would 3 OEMs be more beneficial?

I only say two so that there's an option for people who don't want giant phones.


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The same reason you stated more "options". Their is a great deal of people that won't buy a piece of tech because of the OEM that manufacture it.

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