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    Default AT&T Note 2: Installing custom recovery after OTA 4.3

    Alright, I have been unsatisfied with the note 2 4.3 OTA update from At&t. I spent the entire day today reading up on odin and putting custom recovery on then flashing custom roms to get what i wanted. I decided to pull the trigger after much reading. I fired up ODIN and put the latest TWRP onto my phone.

    All of this is after i have been a "good boy" and never touched anything about rooting or custom roms or recoveries. It goes without saying that I am outside my 1 yr warranty so i couldn't careless about that. After installing TWRP via ODIN i rebooted my phone into recovery mode and low and behold TWRP wont boot, and it stays in stock recovery mode. Does this have something to do with KNOX? Do i need to wait till TWRP is updated to compensate for KNOX?

    My phone still completely functions but i do have a "custom binary download" of 2 counts (tried installing TWRP a second time after it didnt work the first) and a "KNOX warranty void" 1.

    Again my phone is outside of factory warranty and i dont really give 2 ****s about knox anyway. My desire is to get a kitkat rom installed and get google wallet NFC payment functional b/c AT&T really chapped my rear trying to make me use ISIS.

    Any help is appreciated in this slightly noob question.
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    Yes, it's not working because Knox blocks the attempt to install any custom ROM or recoveries. Not sure if there is a workaround for the AT&T S4 but I have seen people manage to do it on the VZW and Sprint variants

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    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    Yes, it's not working because Knox blocks the attempt to install any custom ROM or recoveries. Not sure if there is a workaround for the AT&T S4 but I have seen people manage to do it on the VZW and Sprint variants

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    That would/will keep me away from Samsung for a while until I read multiple reports that TouchWiz has much less of an impact on performance. It needs a reworking IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haalcyon View Post
    That would/will keep me away from Samsung for a while until I read multiple reports that TouchWiz has much less of an impact on performance. It needs a reworking IMO.

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    I liked the Note 3 and S4 before that just fine. Its just that after using some other devices I felt like TouchWiz was a kind of wall between me and maximum performance. There are some really good things about TouchWiz like its built-in font handling and OTG support. We'll see what Sammy comes up with next.

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    So what's the course of action? Do I have to wait till someone cracks Knox before I can install a custom rom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhenne4 View Post
    So what's the course of action? Do I have to wait till someone cracks Knox before I can install a custom rom?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haalcyon View Post
    I liked the Note 3 and S4 before that just fine. Its just that after using some other devices I felt like TouchWiz was a kind of wall between me and maximum performance. There are some really good things about TouchWiz like its built-in font handling and OTG support. We'll see what Sammy comes up with next.

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    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    The way I see it, Samsung is going to do everything they can to prevent people from rooting and flashing ROMs, and if that's true, a lot of people will look for another brand next year

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    I don't see why Sammy should care. ...gets them out of warranty support...you'd think they'd be glad for this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Haalcyon View Post
    I don't see why Sammy should care. ...gets them out of warranty support...you'd think they'd be glad for this.

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    Default Re: Installing custom recovery after OTA 4.3

    The whole Knox program is a headache. Some good ideas like the permanent counter, but blocking ROM installs is just plain dumb. I ditched Samsung due to TW being bloated, and I haven't regretted it.

    As for the OP, yeah, waiting until there is a fix is what is going to have to happen. Unless you reflash TWRP, and while its on you flash a custom ROM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    The whole Knox program is a headache. Some good ideas like the permanent counter, but blocking ROM installs is just plain dumb. I ditched Samsung due to TW being bloated, and I haven't regretted it.

    As for the OP, yeah, waiting until there is a fix is what is going to have to happen. Unless you reflash TWRP, and while its on you flash a custom ROM.

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    Samsung thought they could pass off their attempt at preventing ROMs as "security"
    Should've just made a separate edition with Knox on it. Imagine, Galaxy S4 Business Edition...lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    Samsung thought they could pass off their attempt at preventing ROMs as "security"
    Should've just made a separate edition with Knox on it. Imagine, Galaxy S4 Business Edition...lol

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    And charge an extra $100 for it. We better stop. We have now almost completely hijacked the thread.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    The whole Knox program is a headache. Some good ideas like the permanent counter, but blocking ROM installs is just plain dumb. I ditched Samsung due to TW being bloated, and I haven't regretted it.

    As for the OP, yeah, waiting until there is a fix is what is going to have to happen. Unless you reflash TWRP, and while its on you flash a custom ROM.

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    That's the problem I have. I've flashed twrp via Odin, after it is flashed I turn phone off and boot up in recovery mode (vol up home and power) and it refuses to go into twrp. It stays in the stock recovery. If twrp took I could flash the rom and be fine but twrp is being blocked or something

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhenne4 View Post
    That's the problem I have. I've flashed twrp via Odin, after it is flashed I turn phone off and boot up in recovery mode (vol up home and power) and it refuses to go into twrp. It stays in the stock recovery. If twrp took I could flash the rom and be fine but twrp is being blocked or something

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    Knox is blocking it. It's "security" and if someone was trying to get your personal info or use your phone as their own, rooting and flashing ROMs would be a threat. That's why it's blocked

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    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    Knox is blocking it. It's "security" and if someone was trying to get your personal info or use your phone as their own, rooting and flashing ROMs would be a threat. That's why it's blocked

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    As I understood Knox it was for cubicle world and ensuring that people who use their phones for work would have an extra level of security for sensitive work information.

    As for Knox for the regular Joe blow, I didn't think Knox really did any thing at all.

    Am I understanding Knox correctly or am I ignorant when it comes to what Knox is supposed to be for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhenne4 View Post
    As I understood Knox it was for cubicle world and ensuring that people who use their phones for work would have an extra level of security for sensitive work information.

    As for Knox for the regular Joe blow, I didn't think Knox really did any thing at all.

    Am I understanding Knox correctly or am I ignorant when it comes to what Knox is supposed to be for.

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    There are two kinds of accounts with Knox. One is for the corporate world like you said. And the second is for the average user, but it still blocks any attempts at any software that isn't official for the same reasons

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    I think if Knox becomes more and more obstructive, there will be more people leaving Samsung like UJ said.

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    Yea Knox has really chapped my *** thus far. I get it if my employer says you can't screw with your phone because it's for work. But I'm an end user of my device and I have this noble notion of using it as I see fit.

    I'm faithful that the devs will find a fix but I suck at waiting patiently

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhenne4 View Post
    Yea Knox has really chapped my *** thus far. I get it if my employer says you can't screw with your phone because it's for work. But I'm an end user of my device and I have this noble notion of using it as I see fit.

    I'm faithful that the devs will find a fix but I suck at waiting patiently

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    Its easy enough to avoid using Samsung devices. We lose less than nothing by avoiding Knox infested hardware. At least that is my perspective.

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    Flash it with cwm then use the cwn ap


    Flash cwm then use the su app from chainfire when I ran it it asked if I wanted to try to disable knox I said yes and it did. Then I could download and install the binary. Then I just launched the cwm app and told it to install itself. Im on sprint sgs4
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    Quote Originally Posted by DarkstarsDad View Post
    Flash it with cwm then use the cwn ap


    Flash cwm then use the su app from chainfire when I ran it it asked if I wanted to try to disable knox I said yes and it did. Then I could download and install the binary. Then I just launched the cwm app and told it to install itself. Im on sprint sgs4
    Does this disable the Knox bootloader? Cause the issue is Knox is stopping the entire process by preventing me from using a custom recovery

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    Quote Originally Posted by UJ95x View Post
    The way I see it, Samsung is going to do everything they can to prevent people from rooting and flashing ROMs, and if that's true, a lot of people will look for another brand next year

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    I dont think this is it. That sounds to much like CrApple. Android is Linux which is an open operating system. My thinking is that regardless of it being open or not Samsung is not responsible with giving proprietary software to the end user so we can "hack" their hardware. The options are there to run software and its up to us to create a means to do so. I.e. 4.3 is new and no such software specifically for the note 2 (your carrier) is available to hack it yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mhenne4 View Post
    Does this disable the Knox bootloader? Cause the issue is Knox is stopping the entire process by preventing me from using a custom recovery

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    On this subject I have read that knox isnt designed to block flashing of anything. The user has the right to flash whatever they want. What does happen is once knox detects the flash, knox then becomes forever disabled even after flashing back to stock or factory reset. Knox is supposedly built into the kernel so that it can see everything. Knox was designed to be a security feature for the enterprise consumer such as goverment, medical field, large corporation etc. It would allow buisness admin to secure devices so no outside entities could hack into the corparations. If you dont need that, then who cares if knox is disabled. If your company owns your phone leave it stock, otherwise do as you please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jdub1981 View Post
    On this subject I have read that knox isnt designed to block flashing of anything. The user has the right to flash whatever they want. What does happen is once knox detects the flash, knox then becomes forever disabled even after flashing back to stock or factory reset. Knox is supposedly built into the kernel so that it can see everything. Knox was designed to be a security feature for the enterprise consumer such as goverment, medical field, large corporation etc. It would allow buisness admin to secure devices so no outside entities could hack into the corparations. If you dont need that, then who cares if knox is disabled. If your company owns your phone leave it stock, otherwise do as you please.

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    That makes a lot of sense and I can see the practical applications of Knox. However I have attempted to install a custom recovery and then from the recovery flash a rom. I have made sure I'm using all resources designed for my device, the problem still remains that it will not boot into twrp after I flash it in odin. It reverts back to the stock recovery.

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