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    Default Note 4 Disappointed with the camera improvements?

    I expected more improvement in the Note 4 camera. An increase from 13 to 16 megapixels will not be noticeable. Optical image stabilization is nice, but there was no mention of better low light performance with the back camera, so this feature may not then work that well. (The only mention of improved low light sensitivity was in regard to the front camera.) I was also hoping for quicker auto focusing even in low light situations. No mention was made about that. A higher pixel front camera, IMO, doesn't reap much of a benefit in regards to selfees.

    I hate to say this, but Samsung needs a camera that takes pictures as well as an IPhone.
    Sure the IPhone camera doesn't compare with Samsung camera features and its many adjustments, but the IPhone does under most conditions, with almost no adjustment, take sharper, more vibrant pictures.

    I am probably being too hard on Samsung before seeing what the Note 4 camera can do, but I have been disappointed with the Note 3 camera, and see little reason to expect that much more based on the changes Samsung announced.
    Am I alone disappointed or do you expect more improvement in camera performance than what has been announced?

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    Anyone want to explain Optical as opposed to Digital Image stabilisation. Optical zoom I get.
    Does OIS have moving parts or what?

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    OP I am OK with the Note 3 camera, in fact I am still mostly impressed with it.
    But sure better low light wouldn't hurt, and I would expect something better after a years further development from the 3.
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    I actually think camera was one of the main improvements
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    So, I have a couple of things to mention:
    1) Most places where I have seen comparisons between the iphone 5s and Samsung S5 cameras, the S5 has been ranked equal or better than the iphone 5s camera. Even imore thinks they are about tied, and they are probably slightly biased towards the iphone. I will be the first to admit that the iphone does a heck of a job on auto but it is by no means head and shoulders above the S5. The note 4 is an improvement over the s5.
    <AC wouldn't let me post links b/c I have only posted 7 times in the forums but iMore, phone arena, and DxOMark all speak very favorably of the s5 when compared to the 5s>

    2) As far as image stabilization goes, I consider this a huge improvement. Madd54, OIS involves mechanical springs and such that compensate for movement during shooting. It is a physical form of stabilization. I am sure that a very good digital stabilization would come decently close to optical stabilization but keep in mind that you can always do both if you have the hardware for OIS. Stabilization, optical or digital, helps keep video steady, allows the shutter to stay open longer in low light (because any movement would blur the shot, only works when the subject does not move), and generally reduces blur due to movement of the phone during shots. On average, OIS does a much better job than DIS.
    Overall, I am excited about the camera. It has the potential to be one of the best smartphone cameras of 2014. Time will tell. Please don’t think that I am a Samsung Fanboy. My last Samsung phone was the Note 2. Since then I have had a M7, G2, and Z2. The Note 4 is the first Samsung phone I have even considered since the Note 2.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madd54 View Post
    Anyone want to explain Optical as opposed to Digital Image stabilisation. Optical zoom I get.
    Does OIS have moving parts or what?

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    I am not an expert, but from what I understand, in ois, the lens moves to compensate for shaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby_Doc View Post
    I expected more improvement in the Note 4 camera. An increase from 13 to 16 megapixels will not be noticeable. Optical image stabilization is nice, but there was no mention of better low light performance with the back camera, so this feature may not then work that well. (The only mention of improved low light sensitivity was in regard to the front camera.) I was also hoping for quicker auto focusing even in low light situations. No mention was made about that. A higher pixel front camera, IMO, doesn't reap much of a benefit in regards to selfees.

    I hate to say this, but Samsung needs a camera that takes pictures as well as an IPhone.
    Sure the IPhone camera doesn't compare with Samsung camera features and its many adjustments, but the IPhone does under most conditions, with almost no adjustment, take sharper, more vibrant pictures.

    I am probably being too hard on Samsung before seeing what the Note 4 camera can do, but I have been disappointed with the Note 3 camera, and see little reason to expect that much more based on the changes Samsung announced.
    Am I alone disappointed or do you expect more improvement in camera performance than what has been announced?

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    I totally Agree with some of your concerns about the camera. However, I would disagree that mega pixels by themselves, really mean much. In fact, more mega pixels can introduce a lot of noise into a picture if there isn't the proper hardware to compensate. I would prefer a larger aperture, which is ultimately going to be what gives the camera better low light performance combined with a high quality lens and sensor. All I recall Samsung saying so far about the rear camera is, that it has ois, 8x zoom, and that it is 16 MG. Documents detail other specs, however, a lot of details have been left out. We will find out more as soon as the reviews start coming out.

    Smartphone manufacturers know that increasing the MP count, they are likely to sell more phones. The reality is, that MP count does not contribute to a better photograph at all, and under certain conditions, it can make things worst, far worst.
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    I agree with Noah Evans above. I am very excited about the OIS being included in the Note 4. That plus the higher resolution screen and I'm sold.

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    I can say that the camera on the note 4 will be a beast. I have the S5 and compared to my note 3 the camera is so much better. Add OIS and the new front facing camera and it will be a beast on another level. It's already (S5)one of the best if not the best camera phones if you exclude the lumias. This will take the note 4 to another level entirely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghaichica View Post
    I can say that the camera on the note 4 will be a beast. I have the S5 and compared to my note 3 the camera is so much better. Add OIS and the new front facing camera and it will be a beast on another level. It's already (S5)one of the best if not the best camera phones if you exclude the lumias. This will take the note 4 to another level entirely.

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    S5 is the best outside, great light Android camera. But if the light is not ample it is not as good as some of the Android completion or the iPhone5s.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bobbman View Post
    S5 is the best outside, great light Android camera. But if the light is not ample it is not as good as some of the Android completion or the iPhone5s.
    Not hearing during the Note 4 presentation anything about back camera low light performance improvement gives me reason to believe it probably hasn't been improved. For me that would be a shame. Most of my pictures are shot indoors. Slower focusing and increased noise in low light makes a lot of indoor shots difficult. Almost any camera can do well in bright light, but low light performance separates the men from the boys.

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    I watched it and heard them mention that the camera let's in 60% more light for improved low light pictures.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby_Doc View Post
    Not hearing during the Note 4 presentation anything about back camera low light performance improvement gives me reason to believe it probably hasn't been improved. For me that would be a shame. Most of my pictures are shot indoors. Slower focusing and increased noise in low light makes a lot of indoor shots difficult. Almost any camera can do well in bright light, but low light performance separates the men from the boys.

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    Not all cameras are equal even in good lighting though. However this is being addressed with the addition of OIS.

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    OIS is a big improvement. The one thing I am not sure about is if the OIS works in both the Camera mode and Video. If it does, that would be awesome.
    If anyone knows, please post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exdrinker View Post
    I watched it and heard them mention that the camera let's in 60% more light for improved low light pictures.
    I believe this was stated specifically with regard to the improved front facing camera. While it could also be true with the rear camera, it wasn't discussed. Rather OIS was the big upgrade discussed there.

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    OIS will only probably improve the amount of blurry shots, which would slightly help with low light shots.

    What's more important is the aperture and sensor size, which I'm not sure if they've gotten bigger with the Note 4 over the Note 3.

    Going from 13MP to 16MP is completely irrelevant. That means absolutely nothing in real terms. OIS is a good start, and I hope they've backed that up with a larger sensor.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Madd54 View Post
    Anyone want to explain Optical as opposed to Digital Image stabilisation. Optical zoom I get.
    Does OIS have moving parts or what?

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    Optical Image Stabilization

    Optical image stabilization is the most effective form of image stabilization. Optical image stabilization typically feature tiny gyro-sensors inside the lens that quickly shift pieces of the lens glass to off-set your motion. An image stabilization technology is considered "optical" if it features a moving element inside the lens.


    Digital Image Stabilization

    Unlike optical systems, digital image stabilization uses software technology to reduce the impact of shaky hands on your video. Depending on the model, this can be accomplished in several ways. Some will calculate the impact of your body movement and use that data to adjust which pixels on the image sensor are being used.

    Digital image stabilization is usually less effective than optical stabilization.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghaichica View Post
    Not all cameras are equal even in good lighting though. However this is being addressed with the addition of OIS.

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    Unfortunately IOS by itself will not be enough to GREATLY improve low light performance. For that, they will have to have increased the aperture and sensor sizes. IOS will however improve shots that were taken during camera shake, or shots of moving objects.
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    Quote Originally Posted by exdrinker View Post
    I watched it and heard them mention that the camera let's in 60% more light for improved low light pictures.
    I thought they were referring to the front facing camera when they said that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by lazerproof View Post
    Unfortunately IOS by itself will not be enough to GREATLY improve low light performance. For that, they will have to have increased the aperture and sensor sizes. IOS will however improve shots that were taken during camera shake, or shots of moving objects.
    I agree. IOS will do little to improve focusing speed which suffers in low light. It merely lessens the effect of shakes. (With the Note 3, rather than use digital stabilization, I often shoot in burst mode and then pick the best shot). My concern is that IOS may not work all that well in lower light, unless the phone has better low light performance, something missing from the sister S5 and Note 3. I guess we will just have to wait for the reviews of the Note 4 to know for sure how well it shoots in low light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lazerproof View Post
    Unfortunately IOS by itself will not be enough to GREATLY improve low light performance. For that, they will have to have increased the aperture and sensor sizes. IOS will however improve shots that were taken during camera shake, or shots of moving objects.
    Fair enough. I don't know a lot about OIS. However I do know that in day light the S5 takes much better pictures than the note 3. So this will be present on the note 4.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dctokyo View Post
    Optical Image Stabilization

    Optical image stabilization is the most effective form of image stabilization. Optical image stabilization typically feature tiny gyro-sensors inside the lens that quickly shift pieces of the lens glass to off-set your motion. An image stabilization technology is considered "optical" if it features a moving element inside the lens.


    Digital Image Stabilization

    Unlike optical systems, digital image stabilization uses software technology to reduce the impact of shaky hands on your video. Depending on the model, this can be accomplished in several ways. Some will calculate the impact of your body movement and use that data to adjust which pixels on the image sensor are being used.

    Digital image stabilization is usually less effective than optical stabilization.
    Duhh - I could have Googled it I guess. (not sure if they put Google on these phones )

    How is OIS going to be for durability and knocks and falls I wonder.
    If it uses sensors wouldn't it be motor or fluid or magnet controlled or something?

    Anyway, I hope it's as dependable as the one on my Note 3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shanghaichica View Post
    Fair enough. I don't know a lot about OIS. However I do know that in day light the S5 takes much better pictures than the note 3. So this will be present on the note 4.

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    The S5 does NOT have optical image stabilization. Like the Note 3, it just has digital stabilization. Most reviews of the S5 say the low light performance pales compared to that of the latest IPhone. Furthermore, a new IPhone will probably make that difference even greater, since Apple keeps improving their phone camera.

    Samsung can't afford to let this gap widen, especially as Apple comes out later this year with a phablet of its own. While I am not a fan of IOS, I will take a close look at the 5.5 IPhone. The Note 4 will have to have both a better low light camera and improved reception, compared to the Note 3 and the 5.5 in IPhone, before I would consider buying it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baby_Doc View Post
    The S5 does NOT have optical image stabilization. Like the Note 3, it just has digital stabilization. Most reviews of the S5 say the low light performance pales compared to that of the latest IPhone. Furthermore, a new IPhone will probably make that difference even greater, since Apple keeps improving their phone camera.

    Samsung can't afford to let this gap widen, especially as Apple comes out later this year with a phablet of its own. While I am not a fan of IOS, I will take a close look at the 5.5 IPhone. The Note 4 will have to have both a better low light camera and improved reception, compared to the Note 3 and the 5.5 in IPhone, before I would consider buying it.

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    I know the S5 doesn't have OIS, the note 4 has it now. We will just have to wait and see how the OIS helps low light performance. However in good light the S5 beats the iPhone 5S in most reviews.

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    I have read different specs on the camera on different sites. All seem to agree that that front facing camera has an aperature of f1.9. The main camera might be f2.0, but I've seen reports as high as f2.4. Seeing as the Note 3 was f2.2, I would rule out f2.4. The one article that stated f2.0 seemed most credible IMO. That's just my opinion though. I believe the sensor is bigger than the Note 3, but the same size as the GS5 (1/2.6"). I believe the camera will be much improved over the Note 3.

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