I really want a stand to use outside and other places the does horizontal and vertical but anything I find just falls right over, is their anything out there for a note 4 that does the job?
At first I thought you meant a kickstand, and there are a number of cheap but decent quality kickstands that should more than fill the bill (if in doubt, buy one for a small tablet, then it'll be over-engineered for what you want).
But you say "outside and other places" - are you looking for something like a camera tripod?
And why, would a camera tripod be the best bet? I just want something thats not gonna keep falling over, these stands are weak peices of crap. What one built for a tablet can you suggest?
My wife got one of these so she can bring her phone from room to room when video chatting with the kids. It attaches to the phone so stays together when moving form place to place.
I have used these for various phones and tablets. Sturdy and well built.