Samsung Ready to go after Apple if they release an LTE phone.

**Ricky Babalu** · 08-30-2012, 07:48 PM

This only gets more interesting!

**jlh73** · 08-30-2012, 07:56 PM

I hope so. Just can't figure out how that's gonna work.

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**blade22222** · 08-30-2012, 08:25 PM

With Google backing away from Samsung could be bad for us getting a update.

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Ry · 08-30-2012, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Ricky Babalu

This only gets more interesting!

If they're related to LTE, they'd be Standards Essentials Patents. FRAND would come into play here. I hope Samsung doesn't make themselves look bad by trying to overcharge Apple on SEPs.

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Ry · 08-30-2012, 08:43 PM

The article starts off hilariously.

Samsung Electronics is moving to fight back against Apple by strengthening its partnerships with American mobile carriers to develop new technologies to get away from the U.S. firm’s claims on design.

The world’s biggest smartphone maker is in talks with major telecom carriers on Apple’s home-turf such as Verizon Wireless about modified designs in Samsung Galaxy devices. It is also closely partnering with Microsoft (MS) to cut its dependency on Google Android, according to officials Wednesday.

Why would they need help from carriers to develop new technologies to get away from Apple's trade-dress/design claims?

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**Ricky Babalu** · 08-30-2012, 08:46 PM

Originally Posted by Ry

The article starts off hilariously.

Why would they need help from carriers to develop new technologies to get away from Apple's trade-dress/design claims?

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Yeah, I am not sure what that is about?

**Tkbredx** · 08-30-2012, 08:51 PM

Lol. Interesting.

**mzanette** · 08-30-2012, 09:03 PM

Doesn't the iPad already have LTE and shouldn't they have sued already? This article makes no sense.

**mzanette** · 08-30-2012, 09:05 PM

Originally Posted by blade22222

With Google backing away from Samsung could be bad for us getting a update.

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I wouldn't trust any of the claims in this article. Sounds sketchy at best to me. Or maybe lost in translation.

**Ricky Babalu** · 08-30-2012, 09:07 PM

Originally Posted by mzanette

Doesn't the iPad already have LTE and shouldn't they have sued already? This article makes no sense.

Yes it does, but I read that Samsung is waiting to play that card when the Iphone 5 comes out. This would presumably hurt Apple more since market share for the Iphone is greater.

It is also being reported on .

**jeffreii** · 08-30-2012, 11:28 PM

Originally Posted by Ricky Babalu

It is also being reported on .

I don't even follow BGR anymore. It's an Apple fanboy POS now. So much sensationalism and bias...to think I used to ONLY read BGR for tech info!

**Tkbredx** · 08-31-2012, 01:16 AM

Originally Posted by jeffreii

I don't even follow BGR anymore. It's an Apple fanboy POS now. So much sensationalism and bias...to think I used to ONLY read BGR for tech info!

+1

**davidnc** · 08-31-2012, 04:46 AM

**f1nzup** · 08-31-2012, 07:34 AM

Originally Posted by Ricky Babalu

Yes it does, but I read that Samsung is waiting to play that card when the Iphone 5 comes out. This would presumably hurt Apple more since market share for the Iphone is greater.

It is also being reported on .

Can I assume that Samsung holds a key patent for LTE?

**mzanette** · 08-31-2012, 07:45 AM

Originally Posted by Ricky Babalu

Yes it does, but I read that Samsung is waiting to play that card when the Iphone 5 comes out. This would presumably hurt Apple more since market share for the Iphone is greater.

It is also being reported on .

BGR just picked up the original story from the Korean newspaper ("The Korea Times reports"). I still wouldn't put much weight in the story.

**Ricky Babalu** · 08-31-2012, 01:23 PM

Originally Posted by mzanette

BGR just picked up the original story from the Korean newspaper ("The Korea Times reports"). I still wouldn't put much weight in the story.

Only time will tell. Some of these "Reports" have legs some don't, its the nature of the industry. I subscribe to Pulse (Tech News) and just pass along/share interesting articles for discussion.

Ry · 08-31-2012, 01:29 PM

IMO, if Samsung wanted to delay or stop the next iPhone, which supposedly will ship with LTE, Samsung should have filed a case against the LTE iPad the moment it was released.

Even if Apple is infringing on a Samsung LTE patent, they probably won't be able to now stop the initial flood of new iPhones that will supposedly hit the market at the end of September.

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**mzanette** · 08-31-2012, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by Ry

IMO, if Samsung wanted to delay or stop the next iPhone, which supposedly will ship with LTE, Samsung should have filed a case against the LTE iPad the moment it was released.

Even if Apple is infringing on a Samsung LTE patent, they probably won't be able to now stop the initial flood of new iPhones that will supposedly hit the market at the end of September.

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That's why I was initially skeptical. iPad is a huge seller, why would Samsung have just shrugged and let that supposed LTE infraction go but now they want to block iPhones? Wouldn't they also want iPads pulled from sale as well seeing that they're selling in the millions? This is all because they're upset about the verdict which they'll appeal and most likely get reduced or overturned? I don't buy it.

**MERCDROID** · 08-31-2012, 02:26 PM

"It is also closely partnering with Microsoft (MS) to cut its dependency on Google Android, according to officials Wednesday. "

I'm throwing the BS flag. Why would Samsung want to distance itself from Android? IMO, Samsung has solidified itself in the mobile field because of Android. And until Microsoft is successful with expanding its Windows Phone 8 platform (which I hope it does, more choice is always good), it would be completely idiotic to jump the Android ship.

And I doubt Samsung goes after Apple over LTE patents. Like Ry said, they would have to be SEPs, so any lawsuit would get tossed out quickly on that basis alone. And after losing the last patent battle, I doubt Samsung wants anymore negative attention.

**mzanette** · 08-31-2012, 02:34 PM

Originally Posted by MERCDROID

"It is also closely partnering with Microsoft (MS) to cut its dependency on Google Android, according to officials Wednesday. "

I'm throwing the BS flag. Why would Samsung want to distance itself from Android? IMO, Samsung has solidified itself in the mobile field because of Android. And until Microsoft is successful with expanding its Windows Phone 8 platform (which I hope it does, more choice is always good), it would be completely idiotic to jump the Android ship.

And I doubt Samsung goes after Apple over LTE patents. Like Ry said, they would have to be SEPs, so any lawsuit would get tossed out quickly on that basis alone. And after losing the last patent battle, I doubt Samsung wants anymore negative attention.

Yeah that was funny too, the line about Samsung distancing from Android. They've made a fortune selling Android phones but they're suddenly going to change course and go back Windows 8? I mean it's great that Samsung will be making Windows phones too, but I highly doubt they're suddenly going to distance themselves from Android.

**Kevin O'Quinn** · 08-31-2012, 02:41 PM

Why do LTE patents have to be FRAND? What about LTE is open? This isn't GSM.

And besides, FRAND or not, if they infringe, they need to pay.

Word is Samsung owns upwards of 10% of LTE related patents.

OP: I edited the title to remove the language.

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Ry · 08-31-2012, 08:09 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn

Why do LTE patents have to be FRAND? What about LTE is open? This isn't GSM.

And besides, FRAND or not, if they infringe, they need to pay.

Word is Samsung owns upwards of 10% of LTE related patents.

OP: I edited the title to remove the language.

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Why wouldn't they be SEP & FRAND? Would CDMA patents not be FRAND?

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**sgtjiggy** · 08-31-2012, 09:54 PM

Apple goes after Galaxy S3, Note in new court filing

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**Serial Fordicator** · 08-31-2012, 11:34 PM

Posted on another page. Check this out. lol
http://forums.androidcentral.com/goo...ml#post2119262

**JHBThree** · 08-31-2012, 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn

Why do LTE patents have to be FRAND? What about LTE is open? This isn't GSM.

And besides, FRAND or not, if they infringe, they need to pay.

Word is Samsung owns upwards of 10% of LTE related patents.

OP: I edited the title to remove the language.

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They're FRAND because Samsung decided they wanted them included in the LTE standard. It doesn't matter how open the standard is, because that has no effect on how the patent holders have to license the patents.

Samsung is going to run into the same issue that they did with the 3g patents; apples devices are covered under licenses paid for by their components suppliers. (Qualcomm in this case) Apple also owns quite a few LTE patents itself, so Samsung may be setting itself up for disaster.

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