[funkylogik]

i ordered a sandisk class 10 32gb lastnight but later noticed samsung do one with same spec for only a few pounds extra.
should i have gone for the Samsung since im putting it in a Sammy phone?

global s3, UK. Ask me anything and ill reply even if its just an intelligent (or crazy) guess

[walcolm]

Not necessarily. You should be fine with SanDisk

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[funkylogik]

thanks man. i think the actual RRP of the sandisk was dearer than the sammy so i got good deal on the sandisk

global s3, UK. Ask me anything and ill reply even if its just an intelligent (or crazy) guess

[GrooveRite]

thanks man. i think the actual RRP of the sandisk was dearer than the sammy so i got good deal on the sandisk

global s3, UK. Ask me anything and ill reply even if its just an intelligent (or crazy) guess

Sandisk is the superior memory card manufacturer so don't worry mate!

[xKrNMBoYx]

Sandisk is great that I can recommend it over Samsung. Even it's lower/smaller/cheaper (micro)sd cards will work better then other brands higher capacity/speed cards. The most expensive microSD i've seen is Sandisk's top microsd cards that re suppose to be able to do ~95/95 Read and Write. Samsung's new sd's aren't out yet so your best choice is Sandisk.

[funkylogik]

cheers guys check this out though


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[GrooveRite]

The main problems that I have experienced and read about with memory cards for the past few years is that most cards that are not Sandisk usually end up having read and/or write errors. I'm not saying that Sandisk cards are perfect either BUT their rate of faulty cards are very low compared to their competition. Its yet to be determined how well made these Samsung cards will be so user discretion should be advised.

[Keith Grefe]

Do

i ordered a sandisk class 10 32gb lastnight but later noticed samsung do one with same spec for only a few pounds extra.
should i have gone for the Samsung since im putting it in a Sammy phone?

Do you realize that sandisk rebadges samsung or toshiba memory and puts a markup ob it

global s3, UK. Ask me anything and ill reply even if its just an intelligent (or crazy) guess

do you realize that sandisk rebadges samsung toshiba memory and puts a mark up in price?
This company is fraudulent and samsung allowed this company to continue fraud the customerof cheaper flash options

so stop buying sandisk. They dont make it anyway. They buy and rebadge. Its called plagiarism

[winmod21]

Do
do you realize that sandisk rebadges samsung toshiba memory and puts a mark up in price?
This company is fraudulent and samsung allowed this company to continue fraud the customerof cheaper flash options

so stop buying sandisk. They dont make it anyway. They buy and rebadge. Its called plagiarism

Really? Do you have some verifiable reading material references– for that "sandisk rebadges samsung toshiba memory and puts a mark up in price"– stuff?

[GrooveRite]

Really? Do you have some verifiable reading material references– for that "sandisk rebadges samsung toshiba memory and puts a mark up in price"– stuff?

Yeah, I'd like to see where he got his info as well!

[myjamro]

you can go online and check the fake Sandisk products

For other flash memory product
FAKE SanDisk Ultra Compact Flash Cards Exposed
FAKE SanDisk Ultra Secure Digital Cards Exposed
FAKE SanDisk Cruzer USB Flash Drives Exposed
FAKE Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo MagicGate Cards Exposed

[winmod21]

you can go online and check the fake Sandisk products

For other flash memory product
FAKE SanDisk Ultra Compact Flash Cards Exposed
FAKE SanDisk Ultra Secure Digital Cards Exposed
FAKE SanDisk Cruzer USB Flash Drives Exposed
FAKE Sony Memory Stick Pro Duo MagicGate Cards Exposed

:rolleyes: . . .that has nothing to do with what the poster above, Kieth Grefe, was alleging. What you just posted, simply regards fake & counterfeit SanDisk products.

What the poster above, Kieth Grefe, was alleging – is that SanDisk buys memory from Samsung and then "rebadges" it and also then "puts a mark up in price" on the memory and flash cards, etc. Furthermore, the poster is alleging that SanDisk is a "fraudulent" company– due to their alleged practice of buying memory from Samsung and then marking it up in price (a practice, I might add, is somewhat common throughout the free enterprise, free market capitalist/western world)– and that Samsung, as well, is a "fraudulent" company, as the poster also alleges that Samsung "allowed" SanDisk to purchase their memory products–at a lower price than SanDisk then re-marketed the same memory products for (which, last time I checked was still called: free enterprise & free market Capitalism)– whilst also allowing SanDisk to "rebadge" said memory products.

Again, last time I checked . . that was still a common practice in the free enterprise, free market, capitalist business world. Thankfully. If it wasn't . . .how would the grocery store make any kind of profit off the apples that it bought from the apple grower & distributor, to resell to the consumer? :bangshead:

[xKrNMBoYx]

You guys need to know there are only a few major memory chip design/manufacturers. The "Big" 3 are Samsung, Toshiba, and SanDisk. They also team up a lot to improve designs and create new types of memory.

So technically it is no lie that Sandisk may purchase memory from Samsung. Not the whole card but those small black chips you see on different kind of motherboards and circuitry. I'm not going to ask to believe me because I don't want to reseaech anymore.

Lets just put it this way. Samsung makes HDD, RAM, SD/microSD, SSD. For a long time both their HDD were known to be reliable and fast (not currently as their HDD division is basically owned by seagate). Their SSD are also one of/if not most reliable ones out there. There are two things you can trust Samsung with. These are their TV (screen panels) and their memory.

It is not fraudulent for a company to use others memory chips, unless they specifically said they created it and physically brand it with their name.

When it comes to performance I just can not recommend Sandisk. Their SSD are slow performers, and their generic flash memory sold at retail stores are slow as hell. They also were over priced for a long time.


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[winmod21]

Yep. That's the gist of what I was trying to say/comment on, it's a common practice.

[Keith Grefe]

THe Nand players are
Samsung
Toshiba
hynix (which stole technology fromSamsung)
and Micron

Elpida is gone

ALl players that you see as white labels buys from these suppliers. They have no manufacturing capability to make such small memory solutions. Therefore, Patriot, Corsair, especially Sandisk basically buy from these companies and rebadges the unit to call something they DID not make and call it their OWN>.it's callled outright fraud and plagiarism.. You guys don't get if you publish a paper either someone else wrote for you or did not reference the material, you will be kicked out of school maybe criminally charged.

the business world is a den of fraudsters trying to suck at the teet of the innovators like Toshiba and Samsung. That is the truth. Therefore I hope bad juju or whatever voodoo happens to eli Harrara that thief and fraudster extraordinaire.

[Keith Grefe]

You guys need to know there are only a few major memory chip design/manufacturers. The "Big" 3 are Samsung, Toshiba, and SanDisk. They also team up a lot to improve designs and create new types of memory.

yeah Samsung may team up with IBM, intel and even Toshiba. there is hardly love lost between Sandisk and Samsung. Samsung knew how fraudulent Sandisk was, and tried to buy that company outright a few years ago. They lost since they did not bid enough money. bad decision on the part of Lee Kun Hee. Since Sandisk 1 billion dollars of profit per year comes at the expense of Samsung and Toshiba.

Not the whole card but those small black chips you see on different kind of motherboards and circuitry. I'm not going to ask to believe me because I don't want to reseaech anymore.

Now, you are just making your story up. There is no way that Sandisk does a huge amount of work with the Nand chip when most of the work was done by Samsung's plants in Suwon Korea. They buy bulk from Samsung and then charges about twice the cost. ***** consumer buy from Sandisk not knowing the true origination of the memory technology.

Lets just put it this way. Samsung makes HDD, RAM, SD/microSD, SSD. For a long time both their HDD were known to be reliable and fast (not currently as their HDD division is basically owned by seagate). Their SSD are also one of/if not most reliable ones out there. There are two things you can trust Samsung with. These are their TV (screen panels) and their memory.

Seagate is now profiting tremendously from that purchase. It was a bad decision by Samsung to not compete in HDD drives against Seagate and Western digital.

It is not fraudulent for a company to use others memory chips, unless they specifically said they created it and physically brand it with their name.

that's called negotiation between Samsung and Sandisk. but at heart of definition, it is the very meaning of fraud. WHen you sell a product that you did basically not work to and charge a huge markup on it. you may pontificate whatever babble you crazy head thinks. The in the real world, it's called fraud. end of story punk.

When it comes to performance I just can not recommend Sandisk. Their SSD are slow performers, and their generic flash memory sold at retail stores are slow as hell. They also were over priced for a long time.

Sandisk doesn't even make SSD's. They buy from Samsung or Intel.. Therefore, i don't know what you are talking about. Since Samsung SSD, ( not Sandisk's fraudulent bs you pay a markup on) are world class storage options.

. . .how would the grocery store make any kind of profit off the apples that it bought from the apple grower & distributor, to resell to the consumer? :bangshead:

you are comparing apples to oranges, pun intended. Grocery stores in the mind of the public, are well aware of the fact that that store provides a venue and convenience and retail outlet for the farmers and consumer to sell and buy their ware. It is also known that those products in the grocery store are labeled by corporations and small farmers for brand awareness and competitive naming rights. Therefore, you can't compare, Sandisk who does not recognize who actually made their fake product and, white outs the actual producer or source of it. When, in reality Sandisk is more likely a VENDOR or retailer for Samsung Products.

That is not fraud if Sandisk was selling Samsung labeled memory with the intention of selling the Samsung product a markup in price as service that Sandisk would provide to Samsung in America as a retailer. That is not fraud. Since all credits have been recognized by all parties. Therefore Samsung or Toshiba would receive the proper credit and Sandisk would be lower on the totem pole of negotiation rights and fees.

Eventually fraudsters will get caught. I have exposed this fraud to everybody on Engadget and elsewhere. Samsung, if they want to can and will wipe-out Sandisk by cost cutting that fraudster company into oblivion. That is what Samsung or Toshiba are capable of. OCZ, Patriot, Corsair can not compete in SSDs anymore because Samsung is out pricing their fraudulent competition's offers. Since the competition sells the exact same Samsung SSD at a relabeled marked up price.

128 GB SSD from OCZ (Samsung SSD inside) use to cost 200
Now, OCZ vertex SSD cost 120 dollars. And they don't make any profit, they are losing money. why? Because Samsung sold the real product 128 GB Samsung SSD for 110 dollars on the free market. OCZ can not exist leaching off of Samsung if they can't mark up their price to their ***** customers

The exact same scheme will happen to Sandisk if they are not careful with Samsung and Toshiba.

[xKrNMBoYx]

Geez you are replying on an ancient post that I don't even remember of.

Now, you are just making your story up. There is no way that Sandisk does a huge amount of work with the Nand chip when most of the work was done by Samsung's plants in Suwon Korea. They buy bulk from Samsung and then charges about twice the cost. ***** consumer buy from Sandisk not knowing the true origination of the memory technology.

What the hell are you talking about. Did you read my comment completely? "So technically it is no lie that Sandisk may purchase memory from Samsung. Not the whole card but those small black chips you see on different kind of motherboards and circuitry. I'm not going to ask to believe me because I don't want to research anymore." Where in that comment did I say that Sandisk did the majority of Nand chip work? It says Sandisk "did" purchase Nand products from Samsung. You quoted that part and commented like I said Sandisk makes all of their components by themselves.

Seagate is now profiting tremendously from that purchase. It was a bad decision by Samsung to not compete in HDD drives against Seagate and Western digital.

Yes I can agree with that, but don't know your reasoning on posting that

that's called negotiation between Samsung and Sandisk. but at heart of definition, it is the very meaning of fraud. WHen you sell a product that you did basically not work to and charge a huge markup on it. you may pontificate whatever babble you crazy head thinks. The in the real world, it's called fraud. end of story punk.

How is negotiation and business fraud? So if a person buys products from a larger seller and sells it for a higher price than they are committing fraud? I guess the majority of businesses trying to make profit is committing fraud then. Apple's probably the largest fraud in the world then. The heart of the definition for "negotiation" is not fraud, and it's part of the "real world" that you speak of. So instead of calling me a punk for stating my opinions clean up your spelling on your posts (when browsers have spelling correction) and don't get your panties in a twist because everything is so expensive.

Sandisk doesn't even make SSD's. They buy from Samsung or Intel.. Therefore, i don't know what you are talking about. Since Samsung SSD, ( not Sandisk's fraudulent bs you pay a markup on) are world class storage options.

Again where are you getting your factual information? Sandisk does have their own line of SSD's in 2.5" and mSATA form factors. While they CAN purchase parts from Samsung, they are the one's branding the final product and they are the ones who put up support for their product. That means they look over the quality of the parts, the quality of the firmware, and the quality of performance. Samsung's SSD's are world class storage options, Sandisks storage was worthless crap until their recent "Extreme" line SSD's were released.

you are comparing apples to oranges, pun intended. Grocery stores in the mind of the public, are well aware of the fact that that store provides a venue and convenience and retail outlet for the farmers and consumer to sell and buy their ware. It is also known that those products in the grocery store are labeled by corporations and small farmers for brand awareness and competitive naming rights. Therefore, you can't compare, Sandisk who does not recognize who actually made their fake product and, white outs the actual producer or source of it. When, in reality Sandisk is more likely a VENDOR or retailer for Samsung Products.

That is not fraud if Sandisk was selling Samsung labeled memory with the intention of selling the Samsung product a markup in price as service that Sandisk would provide to Samsung in America as a retailer. That is not fraud. Since all credits have been recognized by all parties. Therefore Samsung or Toshiba would receive the proper credit and Sandisk would be lower on the totem pole of negotiation rights and fees.

Eventually fraudsters will get caught. I have exposed this fraud to everybody on Engadget and elsewhere. Samsung, if they want to can and will wipe-out Sandisk by cost cutting that fraudster company into oblivion. That is what Samsung or Toshiba are capable of. OCZ, Patriot, Corsair can not compete in SSDs anymore because Samsung is out pricing their fraudulent competition's offers. Since the competition sells the exact same Samsung SSD at a relabeled marked up price.

128 GB SSD from OCZ (Samsung SSD inside) use to cost 200
Now, OCZ vertex SSD cost 120 dollars. And they don't make any profit, they are losing money. why? Because Samsung sold the real product 128 GB Samsung SSD for 110 dollars on the free market. OCZ can not exist leaching off of Samsung if they can't mark up their price to their ***** customers

The exact same scheme will happen to Sandisk if they are not careful with Samsung and Toshiba.

You need to learn how to multi-quote because you're mixing my comments with someone elses. How are people to know who spoke of what, and how is the other user suppose to know you replied to their comment?

In the world of electronics there is almost no single company that makes all their components for the products, and they are not fraudulent companies either. The same thing goes with Sandisk. OCZ's SSD was never a Samsung drive. If you give me proof I will believe it. It could be that OCZ used Samsung NAND technology but having one high quality component will not make all storage devices work the same. The different pieces of hardware and software need to be optimized well inorder for it to work. You don't need proof for that comment it's just logical in anything. OCZ SSD's were crap from Gen 1, it's only after the third generation of OCZ SSD's that they started to hold up good enough.

I'll end this similar to your post. Eventually fraudulent companies will be caught and reprimanded. You say you exposed fraudulent companies, and talk like you're some sherlock holmes, but you're not. I don't know if you have had bad experience with any of these companies we talk about but you need to put your emotions aside and stop spreading lies and "fraudulent" information to the newcomers that will believe almost anything. You have three posts on this forum, all on this thread and your comments are full of $#1T. So why don't you forget your email, password, username and go do whatever you do in life okay? I almost got pissed off at your reply, but then saw how sad your remarks were so I my day has not been ruined.

Bye Bye

[NotJustAPhone]

Let's keep the discussion civil. Name calling and insults will not be tolerated.

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[Ben Ji]

"How is negotiation and business fraud? So if a person buys products from a larger seller and sells it for a higher price than they are committing fraud? I guess the majority of businesses trying to make profit is committing fraud then. Apple's probably the largest fraud in the world then. The heart of the definition for "negotiation" is not fraud, and it's part of the "real world" that you speak of. So instead of calling me a punk for stating my opinions clean up your spelling on your posts (when browsers have spelling correction) and don't get your panties in a twist because everything is so expensive."

That's why it's a business deal. In the world, if you do none of the work, take credit for the publication, and not reference sources, that is called plagiarism. Business is very dirty indeed, you are right. Most car companies can't even engineer their own steel, transmissions, wheels, etcetera. That is why they are the very definition of an OEM. So the question is why do suppliers allow talentless OEM's to take credit for the work that they put they hard sweat and soul into? good question eh?

Regarding Apple, yes they do commit plagiarism, since they don't reference who makes their SOC's, Nand chips, memory solutions, or even the CD drives. Their power is in their shareholders and their ability to completely co-opt the media to convince people to buy apple products above all else. And Just because negotiations take place between Samsung and Seagate, doesn't mean that fraud is somehow not occurring. Samsung knows full well that Seagate, Sandisk, Corsair, etcetera are profiting tremendously by taking credit for products they they did very little work except publish their name and erase the actual producer of it. It's very dirty indeed.

"In the world of electronics there is almost no single company that makes all their components for the products, and they are not fraudulent companies either."

Look up the definition of Manufacturer. Samsung is a manufacturer because they take mainly raw materials like gases and metals and designs a product that is electrical in nature like memory.
Sandisk can not be a Manufacturer because they buy already finished products and just adds dressing to the item. Therefore, I can conclusively reason that Samsung is one company that makes ALL of their components. So, you are wrong. Any company that can not manufacture a product and takes the credit for manufacturing is lying and therefore committing fraud.

"The same thing goes with Sandisk. OCZ's SSD was never a Samsung drive. If you give me proof I will believe it. It could be that OCZ used Samsung NAND technology but having one high quality component will not make all storage devices work the same. The different pieces of hardware and software need to be optimized well inorder for it to work. You don't need proof for that comment it's just logical in anything. OCZ SSD's were crap from Gen 1, it's only after the third generation of OCZ SSD's that they started to hold up good enough."

You know very little about SSD's and how they work. OCZ could have never even had a SSD if Samsung didn't sell them the Nand chips. I already found in proof that OCZ utilizez Nand chips from Samsung. yes the driver is important, but the most important component is the Nand chip. without that Samsung Nand chip,, the driver useless. It is also known that better and improved Nand chips which are smaller and more power efficient have been driving innovation of so called OEM's that relabel Samsung component and over-clock the Nand Chip to their desired needs.
That is hardly engineering but just slight tweaking. The end product is still a Samsung or Toshiba. Generation 3 OCZ fraudulent SSD's come from new generation of Nand chips which are smaller and more energy efficient. There is now way that OCZ could have magically created better SSD's without impovement in the actual Nand chip. And OCZ doesn't make it do they? See where you logic is failing? you don't understand that OCZ SSD's improved not because of the drive but because of the Samsung Nand chips which got Smaller and faster.

[AxlMyk]

Are you guys typing all this on your phones?
Do you really think we need this un-informative discussion?

--Tapatalk on SGS3.