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    You're confusing Samsung and Motorola. It's Samsung that has problems getting Android updates, not Google. Google's own devices always get the latest Android update by definition.

    You're having a hard time with the divorce, I see. You're in total denial and looking at mommy and daddy and saying, "No!"

    Both Google and Samsung need to move into hardware and software, respectively, for their next stage of growth to please shareholders. Wearable computers, like Google Glass, are hardware that Google already plans to sell itself. There's Nexus 7 and Chromebook, too. Google sees a hardware + software future. Why not? Apple got the biggest market cap from that formula.

    For Samsung's part, Samsung is currently building a 400,000 square foot megaplex just a few minutes' walk from Google headquarters in Mountain View. What's the purpose of this megastructure? It's not hardware but software! Samsung's poaching workers from Google for Tizen.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippero View Post
    I understand your discomfort in having your world come crashing down. Here's the WSJ article with extensive quotes from Dennis Woodside (Motorola's president) and Larry Page on the X-Phone:
    The headline to that article was more hyperbolic then the actual story which is full of quotes like:

    "Motorola, which accounted for less than 3% of Android phone shipments in the third quarter"

    "Motorola has "fallen under hard times," it "now has the support of a shareholder in Google that has resources to do big things.""

    "Google's purchase of Motorola was a controversial move, partly aimed at acquiring patents to use against rivals that might sue the Internet company."

    "Mr. Page so far hasn't pushed Google's Android unit to aid Motorola by giving it early access to the most updated versions of Android software, as it has with Samsung, in order to avoid the appearance that Motorola is receiving preferential treatment, these people said."

    The X-phone will be interesting and have some interesting features like durability and long battery life but I think Motorola will make sure it doesn't take away the fire from the Galaxy phones.
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    Well, the X-Phone will come with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie pre-installed, while the Galaxy S4's March 15 release date means it'll be stuck with Jelly Bean. As for updates, you know how that goes.
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    Samsung doesn't have trouble getting updates they have trouble raping the aosp source. They have access as soon as it drops just like everyone else its the modifying and testing that causes their issues.



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    Quote Originally Posted by zippero View Post
    Well, the X-Phone will come with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie pre-installed, while the Galaxy S4's March 15 release date means it'll be stuck with Jelly Bean. As for updates, you know how that goes.
    Samsung's international phones update fairly timely.

    Its US carriers that cause delays in those updates

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    You're still in denial. The Samsung-Google marriage is over. Let them each go their own way and let the market decide. It's a reasonable guess that Google is more loyal to Android than Samsung. If you love Android, don't buy a Galaxy S4 but wait a few months for the X-Phone to come out with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie. Both phones will have the same specs except that the X-Phone will have Android 5.0 while the Galaxy S4 won't. Also, the X-Phone will be made from Kevlar so it won't crack when you drop it like a Galaxy S3. X-Phone, Nexus 7, Chromebook, Google Glass, Google Car -- all excellent Google hardware!
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippero View Post
    You're still in denial. The Samsung-Google marriage is over. Let them each go their own way and let the market decide. It's a reasonable guess that Google is more loyal to Android than Samsung. If you love Android, don't buy a Galaxy S4 but wait a few months for the X-Phone to come out with Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie. Both phones will have the same specs except that the X-Phone will have Android 5.0 while the Galaxy S4 won't.
    Again your putting all of your eggs in a single basket and really only have speculation to back it up. I'm not in denial, I just know that Samsung's not ready for tizen to take over 100% yet. you know its open source right?do some digging guy your time tables are way off tizen has a while to go my guess about 6 months to a year before we see them really gear it even then it will be test bed phones to see about interest. The x phone has no confirmed specs only wild rumors and almost no specifics and what specifics are mentioned are conflicting so again give me something concrete.

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    samsung has been having the latest versions of android on there stuff before moto for probably a year now. ive seen nothing from anywhere that makes me think this will change . and for the life of me i cant believe there are still people outhere that actually think MOTO will ever release a true game changing device . i was a huge fan of moto for years and finally got tired of defending them . I bet 100.00 dollars to anybody that whenever the X phone gets here it wont beat the S4 in anything but battery life . and it will for sure have some buggy *** software from MOTO cause we all know how bad they suck at software . and who cares if the s4 never gets KLP chances are the s4 with jelly bean and a new version of TW will probably have better fuctionality than stock KLP .
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    Samsung already confirmed several months ago it's coming out with a whole line-up of Tizen phones this year. Don't you read the news? The X-Phone has already been confirmed by Motorola's own president in the WSJ article. Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie, Kevlar case, and best battery life will be among its key selling points. You're still in denial. Big companies join and separate all the time. Why are you stuck on the Samsung-Google marriage lasting forever? Did yours?
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    Samsung has mastered hardware, now it wants to master software and put its own software/services on its phones. This requires separating from Android and Google apps. Samsung's developing everything from its own cloud services to its own music service to its own email and messaging services and everything else you can think of. There's just no room on the homescreen to offer both Google's apps and its own side-by-side. Samsung will naturally cut its tether to Google to offer its own ecosystem. Bye-bye, Android~~~
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippero View Post
    Samsung already confirmed several months ago it's coming out with a whole line-up of Tizen phones this year. Don't you read the news? The X-Phone has already been confirmed by Motorola's own president in the WSJ article. Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie, Kevlar case, and best battery life will be among its key selling points. You're still in denial. Big companies join and separate all the time. Why are you stuck on the Samsung-Google marriage lasting forever? Did yours?
    It has so far . I take it yours didnt . you missing your kids ? hating the alimony ?? please let us know we wont to help you move on with your life .
    and who said samsung and google was married its more like friends with benefits .and it doesnt look to be changing anytime soon .
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    I suggest you research Samsung's push into mobile software starting with

    Only an ***** would think that Samsung is satisfied with the status quo and will depend on Google forever for its mobile software. It's like saying Samsung has no interest in going beyond hardware, which is utterly ridiculous. Samsung's pouring billions into Tizen because Samsung's long-term future depends on its having its own platform and services, as Google increasingly competes with Samsung on hardware like the X-Phone, Nexus 7, Chromebook, Google Glass, etc. It would be irresponsible for Samsung just to stand still while Google wants to destroy the Galaxy S4 with its X-Phone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by zippero View Post
    I suggest you research Samsung's push into mobile software starting with
    why would ether one wont to stop doing business together any time soon ?? samsung sells millions and millions of android devices google has to love that . and people are eating up samsungs top of the line android devices sammy has to love that . so tell me why ether one will do anything to rock the boat any time soon ?? will samsung start putting out phones with tizen of course they will . will they do anything to screw up there highly successful galaxy line of android phones why hell no . if you really believe the x phone will even be anything close to the run away hit that the s3 was ive got 100.00 that says your wrong so now are a betting man ?? you seem so sure of everything so lets see .
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    The answer is they can each make bigger profits. Sure, the status quo may look fine for both, but given Apple's example of becoming the most valuable company on earth by selling both hardware and software and given shareholder pressure to raise their respective stock prices, it's only natural for Samsung to enter software and Google to enter hardware. New opportunities come along all the time in the tech industry, so why not pursue them? 5 years ago, both Samsung and Google absolutely needed each other, but now the situation is very different and they've both evolved and the benefits of going it alone outweigh those of sticking together and each company wants to become the next half-trillion dollar company like Apple. If Google were just a software company, obviously it would have no need to make its own Nexus 7s and Chromebooks, but it chooses to do this and also make Google Glass and Google Cars and other hardware. Google's becoming a hardware company and is not just a software/services company anymore. It's following Apple's model and threatens both Apple and Samsung. Samsung's moving in the opposite direction from hardware to software because it sees the benefits of having an integrated hardware+software ecosystem, given the threats from Google and Apple. So it's an ecosystem war among Google, Samsung, and Apple.

    On the X-Phone, Google will go for either premium pricing to start earning big profits from Android for once or price it at-cost (as with the Nexus 7) to undercut Samsung's Galaxy S4 and take its place in the market. Probably the latter as that would inflict the most damage on Samsung, which is the entire point of the X-Phone. Put Android 5.0 Key Lime Pie on it and price it at-cost to destroy the Galaxy S4 and its fledgling ecosystem of S-This, S-That. Make money on the back end through advertising and Google services/spyware on all the new X-Phones out there.
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    I'm not sure what this guys play is, but all his post have been in this thread or bashing Samsung in a couple others.

    Probably just trolling sense logical reason has been provided to him, but he refuses to stop repeating the same crap over and over. He probably just hates Samsung and wants them out of android for some reason. At first I just thought he was ignorant or stupid, but now I know that he is just tolling. So I am putting up the don't feed the trolls sign.

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    I know some people's entire careers and entire websites depend on Android and don't want to hear about Samsung's abandoning Android for its own OS, but that's exactly what's happening, so people should start learning about Tizen as soon as possible. Without Samsung, all of the oxygen is going to get sucked out of the room very quickly for Android, and it's not going to be pretty.

    Even if Google gave Samsung Android updates earlier than any other OEM, Samsung wouldn't take them because that would just further develop Google's ecosystem at the expense of Samsung's own. Samsung's done drinking Google's Kool-Aid and will focus on developing its own Tizen mobile OS and related services from now on. A $200+ billion dollar company like Samsung is not an HTC or LG that has no choice but to serve as a dumb pipe for Google's apps and ecosystem. Rather, it wants to call the shots itself and have its own ecosystem. Samsung has simply outgrown Google (just as Google has also outgrown Samsung and can make its own very interesting line of hardware now).
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    Samsung's EVP Jong-Deok Choi giving an utterly amazing Tizen OS demo on a Samsung Galaxy SII 8 months ago:
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    Tizen running Android apps:

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    Quote Originally Posted by zippero View Post
    Samsung's pouring billions into Tizen because Samsung's long-term future depends on its having its own platform and services
    Zippero,
    Tizen is definitely an interesting platform and it will be interesting to see what happens with it but 80% of the claims you make on your posts are opinion. The facts you do post are either incorrect or the conclusions you draw from them are very thin and may have nothing to do with their smartphone business.

    I don't see any evidence that Samsung has "poured billions into Tizen". They have put in $500,000 become a and that could still be partly for other reasons. The building you cited that will have 400,000 sq ft will be sitting next to a new 1.1 million sq ft building for their semiconductor division which I doubt is going to be just for Tizen products.

    You have to remember Samsung makes more then just Smart Phones and Tablets. Like Google, Android is only a tiny part of Samsung. There is no doubt they are positioning themselves to be more independent and less reliant on Android. But being a big company and pouring lots of money into a new mobile OS doesn't guarantee anything, just look at what happened to HP and Palm!

    Android on Tizen will probably work well (when they get the kinks out of it) for games. I doubt they will get it to work well with any of the other type of apps because of how ACL works, i.e. things like fonts look weird. Will Android apps have native access to your Tizen media so you can post pictures in FaceBook? I doubt things like that will happen anytime soon after it launches. Ultimately they need the developer community to make native apps for Tizen and no matter what they do this will never happen. They'd have a better chance of forking Android like Amazon.

    Right now this is just a chess game between Samsung and Google and each is being careful. They both have to worry about ruining relationships not only with other companies but with the consumers. If Samsung tests out the Tizen waters and the reactions from customers are negative they may have to abandon or change that path. Samsung's long-term future depends on its having success and it may not be the kind of success quoted from you.
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    Korea Times says today Samsung will introduce a "high-end" Tizen device on Feb. 25-28 at the Mobile World Congress in Barcelona. See - Electronics giant aims to become software power with self-developed OS


    This is much earlier than expected. The article says, "Samsung obviously wants to control both the hardware and software for its lineup as that will increase margins." This is what I've been saying all along. The article further says, "Samsung has put Tizen development as its priority shoulder-to-shoulder with other key mobile projects for the last few years." Tizen isn't just a side project but Samsung's main focus that will ensure Samsung's viability in the smartphone/ecosystem business 5-10 years down the road. Again, Samsung doesn't want to be a dumb pipe for Google's services/spyware forever but develop its own ecosystem. The article also says Tizen can run on practically any device, thus Samsung's been testing it on the Galaxy S2 and S3, which are Samsung's main high-end devices. Samsung wouldn't be doing this if Tizen were just some side project. After dominating hardware, the next natural frontier for Samsung is software/services/ecosystem. Bye-bye, Android!

    Tizen can run Android apps and any commonly used media files as well. More importantly, Tizen will completely overtake Android because Samsung's putting all its manufacturing and marketing weight behind it. Samsung's manufacturing and marketing muscle is its secret sauce. Without Samsung, every other Android device maker is a profitless midget and, without Samsung, Android itself would have died long ago.

    Apple Insider also notes today Samsung is "prepping a big push" behind Tizen for all the obvious reasons I've been telling you but which you still can't get through your collectively thick skulls. See

    From the article: "Samsung realizes that much of its future profit growth in the handset sector will have to come from the unique value it builds into its own devices, and that value has to come from from software and services, and Tizen is a means of getting closer to that goal. With Tizen, the company will have a much bigger say in the direction of the platform than it currently does with Android, thanks in large part to its role in co-developing the operating system, as well as timely financial donations to associations guiding the platform."

    More: "Tizen is close enough to Android that Samsung could very likely move its developer farm system to Tizen should it feel the need to do so. There is, in fact, already an application layer that allows Android-developed apps to run on Tizen."

    The article concludes: "the next few months are likely to see Apple continuing to iterate its most-profitable OS, Google attempting to claw back relevance in the OS it created, and Samsung perhaps making a push in its own direction. It should make for an interesting year."

    For Samsung, Tizen's time has come. App developers need to bet on the proven moneymaker, Samsung, and go with Tizen and not the Android OEM midgets (LG, HTC, etc.).
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    Samsung will lose good will that has carried over to its other products.

    At least in my case.


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    Good luck Lol but its not going to take precedence that fast Lol your crazy to think its going to be an instant competitor. I'll just hold off and laugh as the sales data will prove it all in time :rolleyes:.

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    A lot of smart things that was said from a dumb article.

    * Apple not making any changes to the look and feel of their OS.
    * BlackBerry new OS will have a difficult time to regain the market share.
    * Windows 8 losing grip everyday.

    Android will survive because its done competing with other OS, having more than 60% Global market share its success came and will continue to grow with manufacturers pushing the limits.

    Going back to Apple and BlackBerry, these companies are only able to produce 1 maybe 2 device at a time because they want to stay in control of their consumer purchasing power.

    For Samsung to jump ship after great success from their Galaxy line is suicidal because I personally believe the people are loyal to Android and not Samsung.


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    Larkspur and Magnolia (Tizen 1.0 and 2.0) were named starting with the letters L and M because Samsung intended long ago for them to succeed Jelly Bean and Key Lime Pie in a clear line of succession in the Android world. The Tizen Galaxy S4 was codenamed GT-I9500 more than a year ago because it was meant to succeed the Galaxy S3/GT-I9300. Tizen on the Galaxy S4 has been Samsung's long-term goal from the very beginning and doesn't involve any loss or risk for Samsung since Tizen can run all Android apps. The Android app market is now big enough for Samsung to steal outright from underneath Google. The public won't care, and app developers will go wherever the money is as they always do. Google's X-Phone will fight the Tizen Galaxy S4 to the death. But Samsung will win because it has all the manufacturing and marketing know-how. It also now has software expertise from meticulously observing, studying, and copying every aspect of Android for the past 5 years from app development to promotion and business and ecosystem development. Steve Jobs must be smiling in Heaven because Samsung's now doing to Google what Google did to iOS. What goes around comes around. The Korean copycatters and Google jointly backstab and copy Apple first in hardware and software, and then the Korean copycatters backstab and copy Google second in software. Never partner up with a backstabber because you yourself will be the next one to be backstabbed (this was the fatal flaw in the whole Google-Samsung partnership or, shall I say, marriage of convenience). Just one American tech giant is not enough for the Korean copycatters to topple. Go out and buy an X-Phone, all you Android lovers, or better yet a 4.8-5.0-inch iPhone 6! Show some patriotism for once in your life!
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    You're really that delusional lmao you really honestly believe what you're saying. I thought you were just trolling at first but you actually believe this hahahahaha wow. Well like I said wait for the numbers guy because you don't have any evidence to back up your beliefs.

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