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    Default Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    So the exynos Octa is apparently meant to use a PowerVr 544MP3 chip, i am afraid samsung but this just doesn't live up to expectations.

    A6X is the chip used in the iPad 4, this chip uses a PowerVr 554MP4 GPU and is the most powerful GPU in the market. Now samsung wants to use this 544 which is an older gpu and is less powerful than the Tegra 4 and the A6X which is one reason why I am not so convinced on the chip.

    Furthermore there have been leaks in antutu that show the i9500 (S4) benchmarked. However im not pleased. This device gets between 19K and 21K score, the reason it doesnt please me is that my S3 I overclocked to 1.8ghz and I hit 19.3K which is on level terms with the supposedly beast '8 core' chip.

    Heres the Galaxy S4
    Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!-uploadfromtaptalk1358631196803.jpg

    And here is my S3 @ 1.8ghz
    Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!-uploadfromtaptalk1358631292024.jpg

    The Exynos 5 octa is 4 A15 cores (more than 2x faster than A9) and 4 A7 low power cores. This is built on a 28nm process and therefore improves performance and battery life. @ 1.8ghz

    My S3 has a quad A9 at 1.4ghz and built on 32nm process so its less powerful than the Octa. What I find concerning is that the octa scores 19K when it has the latest ARM processor and is many times more powerful than the A9, but my S3 with a A9 processor overclocked to the same clockspeed scores similar results. Samsung really needs to sort this out.

    To conclude, I think samsung needs to up their game and get there chips sorted out, theyre going to use an older GPU and therefore not competing with their rivals Apple. In terms of CPU performance this also needs to be improved so they're are really are competitive in the market.
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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    Losing all 'hope' over a faked benchmark? There are much more important things to do in life. Everyone knows that i9500 is 'supposed' to be a Tizen device. Anyone can fake a Antutu result. It's not a rocket science.
    How do you know that it's less/more/same/bigger/lower than T4 or A6X or anything else? Have you compared them personally? Leaked benchmark shows that T4 is even less powerful GPU compared to 5250. I don't give much importance to these now. Wait for them to come out and then verify. Remember GPU is *NOT* the only part of a SoC. There are lot of components, and like any system it will work at the speed of it's slowest component.
    AT says that it's Exynos 5 has 544 at 533MHz. This is like double the GPU horse power compared to iPhone5. It would mean more than 3x compared to Mali400 in SGS3. I say if it's true, then it's a very decent number.

    Don't lose your sleep over such silly issues. Enjoy your life!
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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    Faked benchmark? What says its fake? And yes I have definitely lost hope in it because if the gpu not as powerful as the T4 or A6X then whats the point in using this gpu in a device if it isnt competing in the market? Yes its clocked twice as fast as the iphone 5 but don't forget this gpu will be in a device that the gpu has to power a 1080p screen and not less than 720p thats in the iphone 5.

    Okay its 3x faster than mali 400 but the A6X is about 5x quicker. Also who is ssmsungs main competitor? Apple! So they would obviously want to be ahead in the market with their new device. But under the hood will be a gpu ran by phones from last year or the year before.

    Okay benchmarks dont mean anything but antutu is reliable not like quadrant and the proof is in the pudding, it shows it isnt amazing so what says it will be?
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    Umm also benchmarks dont officially support processor yet...

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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    Let's not even mention that you seem to have the only benchmark for the s4. I am sure that some other sites would have reported this by now

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photon4glover View Post
    Umm also benchmarks dont officially support processor yet...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Photon4glover View Post
    Umm also benchmarks dont officially support processor yet...

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    You have a point there because nexus 10 is A15 and scores pretty bad
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    Faked benchmark? What says its fake? And yes I have definitely lost hope in it because if the gpu not as powerful as the T4 or A6X then whats the point in using this gpu in a device if it isnt competing in the market? Yes its clocked twice as fast as the iphone 5 but don't forget this gpu will be in a device that the gpu has to power a 1080p screen and not less than 720p thats in the iphone 5.

    Okay its 3x faster than mali 400 but the A6X is about 5x quicker. Also who is ssmsungs main competitor? Apple! So they would obviously want to be ahead in the market with their new device. But under the hood will be a gpu ran by phones from last year or the year before.

    Okay benchmarks dont mean anything but antutu is reliable not like quadrant and the proof is in the pudding, it shows it isnt amazing so what says it will be?
    What says it's *NOT* fake? One can easily do a build.prop device spoof. One can do that in a Note2 and get a similar result.

    The i9500 was used in a Tizen device sometime back. It's an easy conclusion if you just google this model number.



    It's a 'certified' fake.

    Since when did A6X become 5x more powerful than Mali400? A6X gets around 52 fps in Egypt offscreen. Mali400 in Note 2 gets around 19, around 16 in SGS3. iPhone5 scores around 29. Nobody cares about synthetic numbers.

    I don't know why people only consider the GPU? Do they forget that it's only a part of the package?

    You want to check proper CPU benchmarks for Exynos 5, check this: [Phoronix] ARM Cortex-A15 Exynos5 Compiler Benchmarks
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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    But its been heavily proven that it will use power vr 544 and this gpu sucks compared to 554 and T4
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    But its been heavily proven that it will use power vr 544 and this gpu sucks compared to 554 and T4
    Really??

    Where have you seen a benchmark for PowerVR 544 @ 533MHz?

    Have you seen Tegra4 benchmark? The leaked benchmark doesn't look too good to me. It's worse than even T604 in N10. I personally don't give much importance to that. But where have you seen a T4 vs 544 vs 554 benchmark comparison based on CPU, GPU and memory interface?



    GLBenchmark - High performance mobile benchmark for OpenGL ES environment

    T4 still is a non-unified shader architecture.

    I would rather ask since when did the GPU become the only important part of SoC?
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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    Here is a screenshot to show that it isnt as powerful as the A6X
    Point proven.
    Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!-uploadfromtaptalk1358770011669.jpg

    And yes it is extremely important as look how fast gaming on mobiles is advancing, also it needs to power the UI as well as widgets ect. And if im right in saying this isnt even an open gl3.0 gpu, and I garuntee there will be games releasing soon with GL 3.0
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    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    Here is a screenshot to show that it isnt as powerful as the A6X
    Point proven.
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    And yes it is extremely important as look how fast gaming on mobiles is advancing, also it needs to power the UI as well as widgets ect. And if im right in saying this isnt even an open gl3.0 gpu, and I garuntee there will be games releasing soon with GL 3.0
    This is a typical problem when someone looks at just synthetic GFLOPs numbers. Do you know the GFLOPs calculation for T604? It's 72GFLOPs.

    So, now you will tell me that T604 is more powerful than 554??

    I can also show you calculation that Texel or number of Triangle would be higher in 544. But at end of day what matters is how much fps you are getting in the game.

    Even T4 won't have proper support for openGL 3.0.

    By all account, the 544 @ 533Mhz will be as powerful as 554 in A6X, if not more. Don't lose your sleep such trivial issues.
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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    Why are they not using mali gpu like always.. Someone explain??
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    Quote Originally Posted by DroidXcon View Post
    This is a thread looking for an argument for arguments sake. Like comparing who is faster The flash or Superman.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    You have a point there because nexus 10 is A15 and scores pretty bad
    Still the most powerful tablet out there. That's why people shouldn't live by benchmark results.

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    Quote Originally Posted by sir.mervyn.king View Post
    Why are they not using mali gpu like always.. Someone explain??
    We can only speculate.

    Exynos 3110 (Hummingbird SoC used Galaxy S) used PowerVR 540.

    Then 2 subsequent models used Mali400.

    Probably few factors like power efficiency, DirectX10 compliance and T678 is not yet ready for prime time. PowerVR 544 @ 533MHz will be much faster compared to T604 in N10. T624 is reported not *significantly* faster compared to T604. Also PowerVR support cache coherency like Mali. So, this is a good point if they wanted to use ARM architecture with PowerVR GPU.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rd_nest View Post
    We can only speculate.

    Exynos 3110 (Hummingbird SoC used Galaxy S) used PowerVR 540.

    Then 2 subsequent models used Mali400.

    Probably few factors like power efficiency, DirectX10 compliance and T678 is not yet ready for prime time. PowerVR 544 @ 533MHz will be much faster compared to T604 in N10. T624 is reported not *significantly* faster compared to T604. Also PowerVR support cache coherency like Mali. So, this is a good point if they wanted to use ARM architecture with PowerVR GPU.
    Was reading the posts above and someone said benchmarks dont mean anything.. Why does everyone discuss benchmarks if they not that important..??
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    Out of all this I still dont see a point in using power vr, the GPU in nexus 10 is pretty good even powering a screen that has a massive screen resolution, I think if they just use that gpu with 1080p screen it will do pretty well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DroidXcon View Post
    ^^^This.... This is a thread looking for an argument for arguments sake. Like comparing who is faster The flash or Superman.

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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    Ha, Superman is so fast he took a planet back in frigging TIME.

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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    Ha, Superman is so fast he took a planet back in frigging TIME.

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    And flash can travel in time as well, do quantum tunneling and is even faster than death himself. Or at least he beat the black flash (death? Representation of the speed force?) in a race to the end of time!

    And no cape to create drag. Stupid capes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    So the exynos Octa is apparently meant to use a PowerVr 544MP3 chip, i am afraid samsung but this just doesn't live up to expectations.
    AndroidS3 my brother I agree with you, this is an abomination of unprecedented proportions. We must unleash a storm of shame on Samsung for being so obviously stupid and idiotic. When the S4 finally launches please make sure that you and all of our followers do not purchase that phone. Again make sure our followers do not go online or waste time in front of other people waiting in a line for that new Galaxy S4. I have elected myself to do the shameful job of getting that phone immediately... for our cause of course, so I can hold it up and show everyone how very shiny... I mean how slow it is.

    Remember you and our followers are not to get this phone when it comes out.

    Thanks,
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    Quote Originally Posted by deesugar View Post
    AndroidS3 my brother I agree with you, this is an abomination of unprecedented proportions. We must unleash a storm of shame on Samsung for being so obviously stupid and idiotic. When the S4 finally launches please make sure that you and all of our followers do not purchase that phone. Again make sure our followers do not go online or waste time in front of other people waiting in a line for that new Galaxy S4. I have elected myself to do the shameful job of getting that phone immediately... for our cause of course, so I can hold it up and show everyone how very shiny... I mean how slow it is.

    Remember you and our followers are not to get this phone when it comes out.

    Thanks,
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    Flash would beat Superman in a foot race because as everyone knows, flying is cheating.
    This is awesome!
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    Default Re: Lost all hope in Exynos Octa!

    My only concern with the s4 is that it is going to be a middle of the road kind of release, an 's' the model. A few new features but nothing like the screen we saw at CES. That would pit me off and make me wait....

    PS the question wasn't about a foot race but who is faster, Superman would destroy the flash. One pothole and the flash ends up on America's Funniest home videos with Bob frigging saget

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    Quote Originally Posted by piizzadude View Post
    My only concern with the s4 is that it is going to be a middle of the road kind of release, an 's' the model. A few new features but nothing like the screen we saw at CES. That would pit me off and make me wait....

    PS the question wasn't about a foot race but who is faster, Superman would destroy the flash. One pothole and the flash ends up on America's Funniest home videos with Bob frigging saget

    Sent from the nexus of the Android world, the SGS3.
    ALL phones are going to be like this until we get truly new features like curved screens, etc. Right now the market is just iterating, just like it was before the iPhone came out. We're due for something new here soon.
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