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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core from the S4!

    Quote Originally Posted by NoNoiPhone4me View Post
    But Javengil still makes a good point. Even aside from the fact that -- as others have also said -- current Android software does not take advantage of multiple cores -- four "little" cores still does make much sense. The A7 cores in a BIG.little architecture are there to do the mundane, non-processor intensive stuff in your smartphone. Almost by definition, you don't need multiple "little" cores to do that; if you need more processing power, then you automatically switch to the "BIG" A15-based cores. A four-core A15 "BIG" core - single-core A7 "little" core or even a five-core A15 "BIG" core - single-core A7 "little" core BIG.little architecture makes more sense.Honestly, while I do expect the Octa-Core to be a decent chip, I think Samsung would have been better off and produced an even better chip if they devoted the "extra" real estate used by the additional A7 "little" cores for an improved GPU instead.

    Honestly, Octa-Core is mostly marketing hype. Don't get me wrong, I do expect it to be a decent chip, but the real-world advantages of increasingly multiple cores is simply not there yet.
    It's absolutely driven by marketing...but quad core is becoming pretty standard at this point. The software will follow - eventually. The environment for multiple core support will get better. Perhaps the cores may be mostly wasted now...but 6-12 months from now when the S4 is still the flagship? Maybe not as much...maybe.
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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core from the S4!

    Quote Originally Posted by jeffreii View Post
    It's absolutely driven by marketing...but quad core is becoming pretty standard at this point. The software will follow - eventually. The environment for multiple core support will get better. Perhaps the cores may be mostly wasted now...but 6-12 months from now when the S4 is still the flagship? Maybe not as much...maybe.
    The word "eventually" is probably the key word. Although Jelly Bean can take some advantages of multi-core architectures and I do expect improvements with Key Lime Pie but, honestly, I do not expect Android to be fully multi-threaded and able to truly handle multiple cores until "Muffin" at the earliest. And by then, I will have upgraded to the Galaxy S5 or Note 4 or whatnot, very possibly running some sort of multi-core ARMv8, 64-bit chip.

    Moreover, aside from the software today not taking advantage of multiple cores, most users don't take advantage of multiple cores. What I mean by that is that very few applications that users actually use require constant CPU activity; games, movies and possibly music being the most notable exceptions. Indeed, games and movies are more dependent on GPU "horsepower" and even music does not overly tax most smartphone CPUs today. Most times, when the user needs to do multiple things at the same time, the CPU can be time-sliced: with a single-core processor, applications (or more precisely, application threads) are placed in a wait state and register settings saved and reloaded as needed. Obviously, this is less efficient than running multi-threaded applications on a multi-core processor (or even running several single-core applications on a multi-core processor) but for most people, it is more than enough.

    Bottom line, for me I am much more concerned about GPU power than the number of core the CPU in my smartphone has. Of course, everyone's mileage may vary but I suspect -- despite the marketing hype that most people seem to be buying into -- that really is the case for most people.
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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    GPUs are absolutely the limiting factor. Exynos 4 was a tremendous letdown in this regard.

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by treb1797 View Post
    I just don't understand why they even brought this up at CES if they weren't going to release it on their next flagship device. Just my 2 cents.
    Because its the first use of the big little architecture by an ARM manufacturer. Because its likely to be found in a Samsung device at some point in the future.

    There was absolutely no evidence at all that the s4 would use the octa. People just assumed it would. In all likelihood, it will be in a tablet first. It may not ever be seen in a phone.

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    Yes but that's a rumour its not actually been confirmed, it was rumoured to have a mali t628 and rumoured for a power vr 543. We actually don't know

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    No. It was confirmed.

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    Mali > Power vr

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    No. It was confirmed.

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    Confirmed by ARM or Samsung? All I saw was a "best guess".

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by AndroidS3 View Post
    Mali > Power vr

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    Not when it comes to app compatibility.

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    Not when it comes to app compatibility.

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    Yeah youre right on that!

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn View Post
    Confirmed by ARM or Samsung? All I saw was a "best guess".

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    Anandtech. Samsung detailed more of the chip at a semiconductor conference and confirmed powervr.

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    On one of the tech sites I was looking at earlier, it was mentioned that the S4 will have the quad core snapdragon 600 here in the states and the octa will be on the international versions like they did with the S3, giving the states the dual core and the quad core being on the international version. If I find the site I seen it on, I'll post it here.

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by JHBThree View Post
    Anandtech. Samsung detailed more of the chip at a semiconductor conference and confirmed powervr.

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    Links man! I need links!

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    Quote Originally Posted by Imnutsnj View Post
    On one of the tech sites I was looking at earlier, it was mentioned that the S4 will have the quad core snapdragon 600 here in the states and the octa will be on the international versions like they did with the S3, giving the states the dual core and the quad core being on the international version. If I find the site I seen it on, I'll post it here.

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    Um...the 600 is quad core and the Octa is 8 core.

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    Default Re: So no Octa-Core love for Galaxy S4

    That's what I said, the states are supposed to get the quad core snapdragon 600 and the octa 8 core going into the international version.

    Samsung's Galaxy S IV to feature Snapdragon 600 in the states; Exynos 5 Octa in Europe?

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    I think thats a good idea, at least they can experiment with two different xhips

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kevin O'Quinn View Post
    Um...the 600 is quad core and the Octa is 8 core.

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    The thing is its not actually an '8 core'. See if we say quad core people think 4 powerful cores, which is right. But the octa core isnt actually 8 powerful cores. Its a quad core but two sets one for low power and one for high performance things. Hence big.Little. however 8 fat off A15 cores would be outa this world haha!

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