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    Default Android KitKat totally crippled my S5's SD Card

    I used to be a great fan of Android, and I have been using it since the first phones came out with it.
    I used to love the extra freedom it used to give me, compared to iPhone.

    My newest phone is a Samsung Galaxy S5 (bought today). And I just found out that the recent versions of Android have totally crippled the access to the SD card. I cannot even backup my phone pictures that are stored the SD card!!! I am fuming with anger about this. It is not a security feature as Google would like us to believe because the Internal Phone Memory is still accessible by all apps.

    So, from now on very useful apps like btsync and dscloud have become just as useless as they are on the apple products.

    Could anyone convince me why I should not stop using the, what has become now a choking experience, crippled android and switch to iPhone?
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    What carrier are you on. I'm on sprint. I have no problems with SD card, I can save pics to it. Transfer apps to it.

    Funny you say you will go to iPhone. IPhone don't have a SD card , so in a way you will have the same prob

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    i have s5 att no problems for me with sd card maybe go to store ask for help
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    Go back to iPhone. If going into the settings to make sure that things are saved to the SD when possible is too hard for you even with the countless links you could find on this doing a simple Google search, then Apple is the right ecosystem for you.
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    When i switched to the s5 i had no issues getting my pics or ringtones saved to my sd card. Everything has been working fine. I don't really know much about the app saving because i don't do that , but my sd card has in no way been crippled.* shrugs*
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    The only problem I have is when downloading pics, movies you can't save them to SD card. Unless you root I understand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dkjames71 View Post
    The only problem I have is when downloading pics, movies you can't save them to SD card. Unless you root I understand.

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    You might be saying that pics and movies download to the Download folder on the phone memory by default but, you can still move them wherever you want using a file manager.
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    This is what happens when I try to move a wallpaper image from device to SD card.

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    Could this be because the image is currently being used as the wallpaper? Have you tried making a different image the wallpaper and then transfer the former wallpaper pic to the SD card? Just a guess, I don't have my SD card yet so I can't try it myself.
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    Ok, to be more clear about my extreme annoyance with KitKat: Yes, I can save pictures to the SD card. Yes, I can save pdf's to the SD card. But the ONLY apps that can access them are the programs that created them!

    If I want to backup a folder with pictures to a NAS for example, I would have to copy all the pictures to the folder of the backup app before making the backup. Every time again: When I take a new picture, I have to manually copy it to the backup app folder before it can be synced to the, or any other remote location. When I annotate a pdf, again copy it to the folder of the backup app. This is because every KitKat App, except for one or two file managers, can only access their own folder on the SD card. This is the same restrictive behavior as the evil Apple has been implementing on their iPhone/iPad, and this has always been the exact reason I wanted nothing to do with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans2004 View Post
    I used to be a great fan of Android, and I have been using it since the first phones came out with it.
    I used to love the extra freedom it used to give me, compared to iPhone.

    My newest phone is a Samsung Galaxy S5 (bought today). And I just found out that the recent versions of Android have totally crippled the access to the SD card. I cannot even backup my phone pictures that are stored the SD card!!! I am fuming with anger about this. It is not a security feature as Google would like us to believe because the Internal Phone Memory is still accessible by all apps.

    So, from now on very useful apps like btsync and dscloud have become just as useless as they are on the apple products.

    whoa cowboy.

    You don't know what is going on.

    The game changed, but the SD card is still working just fine.

    The app developers need to rewrite their apps to incorporate the new security features.

    Also, the SD card must be the Group 10 class to work correctly. The older cards sometimes just aren't accessible or work properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkjames71 View Post
    This is what happens when I try to move a wallpaper image from device to SD card.

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    If that is es file explorer I was having the same issue. Es worked perfectly on my s3 but not my s5. I just went back to the my files that is already on the phone. It works fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans2004 View Post
    Ok, to be more clear about my extreme annoyance with KitKat: Yes, I can save pictures to the SD card. Yes, I can save pdf's to the SD card. But the ONLY apps that can access them are the programs that created them!

    If I want to backup a folder with pictures to a NAS for example, I would have to copy all the pictures to the folder of the backup app before making the backup. Every time again: When I take a new picture, I have to manually copy it to the backup app folder before it can be synced to the, or any other remote location. When I annotate a pdf, again copy it to the folder of the backup app. This is because every KitKat App, except for one or two file managers, can only access their own folder on the SD card. This is the same restrictive behavior as the evil Apple has been implementing on their iPhone/iPad, and this has always been the exact reason I wanted nothing to do with them.
    This is a security risk plain and simple. Apps should not have the willy nilly freedom to read or write to every single image/video/file within every subfolder on the SD card unless the app itself CREATES the folder, or you tell other apps to allow other apps to view the contents. As an example, Podcasts I download in PocketCasts are only viewable by PocketCasts unless I tell it to make them viewable by other apps.

    If you're worried about backing up your images, there are a TON of apps that will auto backup images moments after you snap them. Amazon Cloud, Dropbox, Google+, Facebook, Photoshop, Photobucket, etc.. all safe and secure on the cloud and most have apps that install to your PC that sync a local copy of your contents to your PC.

    Or, you can plug your phone in to your PC, navigate to the SD card, browse the DCIM folder and drag them from there to your PC.

    If you're doing anything other than either of those 2 methods, you're doing something wrong.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dkjames71 View Post
    This is what happens when I try to move a wallpaper image from device to SD card.

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    That's because of the file manager you are using. Use the built-in file manager and you will not have a problem.
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    This makes my power file/folder management routines a pain like the OP described. Let me know when the rest of you guys need a feature you rely on defended.
    Compromise... a setting that says 'I don't need to be protected from the apps I chose to install'? It can even be disabled by default.. like the 'I can't handle external APKs' checkbox.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sniffs View Post
    This is a security risk plain and simple. Apps should not have the willy nilly freedom to read or write to every single image/video/file within every subfolder on the SD card unless the app itself CREATES the folder, or you tell other apps to allow other apps to view the contents. As an example, Podcasts I download in PocketCasts are only viewable by PocketCasts unless I tell it to make them viewable by other apps.

    If you're worried about backing up your images, there are a TON of apps that will auto backup images moments after you snap them. Amazon Cloud, Dropbox, Google+, Facebook, Photoshop, Photobucket, etc.. all safe and secure on the cloud and most have apps that install to your PC that sync a local copy of your contents to your PC.

    Or, you can plug your phone in to your PC, navigate to the SD card, browse the DCIM folder and drag them from there to your PC.

    If you're doing anything other than either of those 2 methods, you're doing something wrong.
    If this is a security issue, why are apps still able to read/write to folders that are on the actual phone? It is just the behavior on the SD card that has changed.
    I have no wish to back up to the cloud or any membership service I have to pay for when I run out of space. I want things to be nicely synced locally in my own cloud, and possibly remote on a NAS that I own. I could do all this seamlessly from previous Android versions, but I have as of yet found no app that can do this for me from Android 4.4.
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    Looks like you are not alone. Kitkat changed the rules.
    You might want to read the Reviews for this sync app - SyncMe Wireless.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...wifisync&hl=en
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    I have been using Android since the HTC dream, and always loved it. Kitkat took all the fun out of it. It now feels as if some kind of evil S.Jobs clone sticks his arms out of the screen to choke me every time I turn on the device. I could understand if Android restricts this behavior on the internal phone memory. But the SD card access should be all mine and not forcing me to use a google affiliate cloud service.

    The time has come for me to find an alternative to Android. Perhaps Tizen will give me back my freedom?
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    Whoa Cowboy.....priceless.

    Quote Originally Posted by AZgl1500 View Post
    whoa cowboy.

    You don't know what is going on.

    The game changed, but the SD card is still working just fine.

    The app developers need to rewrite their apps to incorporate the new security features.

    Also, the SD card must be the Group 10 class to work correctly. The older cards sometimes just aren't accessible or work properly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by camanokid View Post
    Looks like you are not alone. Kitkat changed the rules.
    You might want to read the Reviews for this sync app - SyncMe Wireless.
    https://play.google.com/store/apps/d...wifisync&hl=en
    Did you read the reviews?
    It sounds like you are out of luck with the SD Card...but OK with a NAS drive or PC.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans2004 View Post
    I used to be a great fan of Android, and I have been using it since the first phones came out with it.
    I used to love the extra freedom it used to give me, compared to iPhone.

    My newest phone is a Samsung Galaxy S5 (bought today). And I just found out that the recent versions of Android have totally crippled the access to the SD card. I cannot even backup my phone pictures that are stored the SD card!!! I am fuming with anger about this. It is not a security feature as Google would like us to believe because the Internal Phone Memory is still accessible by all apps.

    So, from now on very useful apps like btsync and dscloud have become just as useless as they are on the apple products.

    Could anyone convince me why I should not stop using the, what has become now a choking experience, crippled android and switch to iPhone?
    "4 Posts"

    "Complaining about stricter SD access and considering switch to phone with NO SD and its own application data segregation schema"

    "Complaining about a device with nearly universal sharing and backup (when carefully set up the right way - once), wants to switch to device with brand-locked and generally crippled sharing"

    Also, may I ask for more information about the specific MicroSD and where it came from? Some brands and especially the counterfeits will give eccentric behavior...if the card is genuine you may want to reformat in the phone SD menu and see if anything changes.

    NOT all apps that use SD have yet been updated for 4.4, which is why for my 4.4 phone I chose a model with 24GB usable internal space (32GB phone) and no SD card to bother with. Hoping next gen of same has a 64GB model.
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    As a user of multiple platforms, BlackBerry 10 does all of this SD card handling perfectly without a hitch.

    Quote Originally Posted by Hans2004 View Post
    I have been using Android since the HTC dream, and always loved it. Kitkat took all the fun out of it. It now feels as if some kind of evil S.Jobs clone sticks his arms out of the screen to choke me every time I turn on the device. I could understand if Android restricts this behavior on the internal phone memory. But the SD card access should be all mine and not forcing me to use a google affiliate cloud service.

    The time has come for me to find an alternative to Android. Perhaps Tizen will give me back my freedom?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Relgoshan View Post
    "Complaining about stricter SD access and considering switch to phone with NO SD and its own application data segregation schema"
    But that's almost like buying an iPad.

    Quote Originally Posted by Relgoshan View Post
    "Complaining about a device with nearly universal sharing and backup (when carefully set up the right way - once), wants to switch to device with brand-locked and generally crippled sharing"
    "Nearly universal sharing and backup" does not work anymore, by design.

    Quote Originally Posted by Relgoshan View Post
    Also, may I ask for more information about the specific MicroSD and where it came from? Some brands and especially the counterfeits will give eccentric behavior...if the card is genuine you may want to reformat in the phone SD menu and see if anything changes.
    The type of MicroSD has nothing to do with this problem whatsoever. Even the makers of btSync, and the makers of the Synology NAS are complaining that they have absolutely no way to fix this.

    Quote Originally Posted by Relgoshan View Post
    NOT all apps that use SD have yet been updated for 4.4, which is why for my 4.4 phone I chose a model with 24GB usable internal space (32GB phone) and no SD card to bother with. Hoping next gen of same has a 64GB model.
    Apps cannot be updated to get the functionality back for 4.4 because it is an intentional crippling of the OS. There are some app makers that have found a temporary workaround due to a security bug in the official Google Gallery app. But we can be sure that Google will "fix" that bug in the near future.

    Also, my S5 keeps nagging me if I want to backup my pictures to the Picasa cloud. I don't want this!!! But in the S5 the option to disable this "feature" has been removed. So I have to deny this request every time I open the Gallery.

    The future Google sees for us now is like Apple's: All our data is stored in the cloud. PC's will be minimalistic because software is run from the cloud, for a monthly fee of course if you want some necessary extra features. Because we will all be forced to buy ChromeBooks/Android tablets/iPads, all with intentionally crippled data access, we will be unable to run open source software locally anymore.
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    I think it's weird that I have to use my laptop now to move files from storage to SD card, but when I plug my phone into my chromebook, nothing happens because it doesn't support mtp............

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hans2004 View Post
    But that's almost like buying an iPad.


    "Nearly universal sharing and backup" does not work anymore, by design.


    *didn't answer question*


    *snip*

    Also, my S5 keeps nagging me if I want to backup my pictures to the Picasa cloud. I don't want this!!! But in the S5 the option to disable this "feature" has been removed. So I have to deny this request every time I open the Gallery.

    *snip*
    .......what? SD is still SD and you can still do a lot with it.

    It still works, for sharing and for backup. Certain features were changed and can be patched in. Certain features probably cannot be patched in. It's not the end of the world or otherwise completely crippling.

    Please actually answer the question tho. Not all of your described problems are native to 4.4 in and of itself.

    .Net should have taught everyone: NEVER make a feature depend on a security flaw. We are up to .Net what...5 now? Because each earlier version needs to keep security holes open to allow programs to work, you can end up with four or more distinct versions installed. Google should ram that hole shut just to force them to go through normal channels. Bad code never excuses MORE bad code.

    S5 issue heeh....have you factory reset after the update to see if this preference gets unbroken? Sammy seems to have some especial issues after update. Another commonly broken setting after 4.4 - this one across brands - is "power button ends call" option being stuck and no longer responding to its menu option.

    The first and surest sign of this being base paranoia is that Google's TERRIBLE with android backups. The second is their less than stellar record on the Chromebooks. The third is that the death of open source has been predicted consistently for decades, and it is just not about to happen. It is also not likely to explode in popularity either, as also predicted for decades. Put the tinfoil away until you really need it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Titusk View Post
    I think it's weird that I have to use my laptop now to move files from storage to SD card, but when I plug my phone into my chromebook, nothing happens because it doesn't support mtp............

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    Your first mistake was owning a Chromebook at any time, for any reason. As time goes on I become ever more convinced of this: Chromebooks were never a good idea...
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