Samsung, Apple, and Us

**ptf** · 08-09-2011, 08:24 PM

With Apple getting preliminary injunctions in the EU and Australia, I have become more worried about Samsung having to pull the SGT 10.1 from American shelves. If so, how does this affect people like us who already bought the Tab. Will Samsung still be able to issue us updates? If so, will there be a big enough number of people with the Tabs for Samsung to care about pushing updates? Or if they can't give updates, will we get refunds for our Tabs? I'm just getting worried and was wondering if anyone could give any insight.

**akarol** · 08-09-2011, 08:34 PM

I believe it actually would motivate them to be even more proactive about satisfying those already invested in it. The last thing they need right now is negative publicity.

**Mooem** · 08-09-2011, 09:13 PM

Well they did make a commitment to updating their devices for at least 18th months. Mind you these are just preliminary injuctions, Samsung still can appeal and make their case...although it looks pretty bleak at the moment.

I guess we'll find out mid October on what'll happen.

**Stormhead77** · 08-10-2011, 07:13 AM

Not to mention the hit Verizon would take as well as American Airlines who is installing them in their planes. Too many players wrapped up in the Tab for Sammy to abandon ship imo.

**barkomatic** · 08-10-2011, 07:33 AM

It's likely that if Apple wins, then the court will make Samsung pay licensing fees on the patents that were used and you will continue to see the GT and other Android tablets offered for sale. Google and hardware manufacturer's need to start taking patent law seriously. It may be massively flawed, but it can't be ignored. Apple and Microsoft have far too much money for lawyers for that to happen.

**Jay Evans** · 08-10-2011, 07:41 AM

Originally Posted by barkomatic

It's likely that if Apple wins, then the court will make Samsung pay licensing fees on the patents that were used

The EU suit is just about how the Tab 10.1 design looks like an iPad, it's not software related.

**rw0749** · 08-10-2011, 08:55 AM

Originally Posted by Jay Evans

The EU suit is just about how the Tab 10.1 design looks like an iPad, it's not software related.

And I guess no two tv's will be able to look like each other in the future... or two cars.... ooops nor can two laptops look alike.. Do you honestly think a judge will rule in apples favor.. they only hope Samsung will cave and pay them royalties..

**Jay Evans** · 08-10-2011, 09:22 AM

Originally Posted by rw0749

Do you honestly think a judge will rule in apples favor..

Already has in a way...

"But in this case (like in many others), the court apparently looked at the registered [European] Community design right and pictures of Samsung's product, and felt that there was a basis for a preliminary injunction. Still, in a main proceeding Samsung might be able to prove that the Community design right shouldn't have been granted in the first place, or that there was no infringement."

"The request for injunction was filed with no notice to Samsung, and the order was issued without any hearing or presentation of evidence from Samsung."

I haven't cared for Jobs/Apple way of doing business since 1985 and some of the crap Apple pulled against the Amiga. (yea, I'm that old)

**Mooem** · 08-10-2011, 10:40 AM

They are also apparently targeting the Xoom...

Basically any tablet that resembles their community design (which is...I don' t know...just about every tablet), will be on the chopping block. Although it appears they won't be going for a preliminary injunction on the Xoom because it's been available for several months and it's apparently difficult to make a case of urgency when Apple knew the product was released for a while now.

Make no mistake, this is a blatant attack on Android even if no software patents are necessarily involved with the suit.

I also agree that Android manufacturers need to start respecting patent law despite it being a broken system. The cost to fight it will be too great and in the end, I'm afraid Android will be worse for wear. But then again, Android makers may have no choice at this point.

**DAS** · 08-10-2011, 11:20 AM

According to a post by Engadget today, Apple is now reportedly going after the Moto Xoom as well.

I think Apple is under the impression they are the only manufacturer that should be allowed to make a rectangle tablet? I think Samsung and Google have to fight this out, and challenge the law here. I believe it is the only way to shed light on how these patent, copyright, and trademark laws are out of control and need to be rethought.

A failure to fight now, will never produce change in the future.

Engadget: "Yes, we've now reached the point in the ongoing Apple v. Samsung brouhaha where we're having lawsuits revealed within lawsuits. As spotted by FOSS Patents' Florian Mueller, Apple's recent complaint against Samsung that led to a preliminary injunction blocking sales of the Galaxy Tab 10.1 in Europe also contained a brief passage indicating that Apple is suing Motorola over the decidedly tablet-like Xoom as well."

**Jay Evans** · 08-10-2011, 11:46 AM

Apple is starting to run scared. They laughed off Android on phones and now in just a couple of years, Android dominates the market (48%).

The iPad is a huge cash cow for Apple.

**ptf** · 08-10-2011, 02:01 PM

Here's my other concern, what if Apple doesn't license its patents? They have a right not to and it would seem to make sense for them to not to license them b/c they make a lot more off selling 1 iPad then licensing fees on 5 SGT 10.1 (most likely).

**gdbjr** · 08-10-2011, 02:12 PM

Originally Posted by Jay Evans

Apple is starting to run scared. They laughed off Android on phones and now in just a couple of years, Android dominates the market (48%).

The iPad is a huge cash cow for Apple.

And the iPad will continue to be a huge cash cow for Apple along with the iPhone. Regardless of how well Android is or isn't doing.

Apple has a very loyal following and those people will continue to buy apple products. You will never see a exodus of Apple fans buying Android. Not going to happen.

**TerryMasters** · 08-10-2011, 02:41 PM

Originally Posted by DAS

Engadget: "Yes, we've now reached the point in the ongoing Apple v. Samsung brouhaha where we're having lawsuits revealed within lawsuits..."

**6tr6tr** · 08-10-2011, 04:22 PM

Really, the best thing you can do is contact your congress reps and tell them we need patent reform. And have them watch this VERY informative TED talk:

**shingi_70** · 08-10-2011, 04:24 PM

I was going to get an ipad but this move has made vote with my wallet for samsung. That may not due much as itunes is my music source.

**ptf** · 08-10-2011, 04:59 PM

Originally Posted by shingi_70

I wad going to get an ipad but this move has made vote with my wallet for samsung. That may not due much as itunes is my music source.

Once you get an Android Phone/Tablet, you can make a switch to AmazonMP3 and it works really well.

**Derek1267** · 08-10-2011, 05:06 PM

Originally Posted by TerryMasters

Was waiting for someone to post that lmao.

**Mooem** · 08-11-2011, 03:25 AM

Originally Posted by 6tr6tr

Really, the best thing you can do is contact your congress reps and tell them we need patent reform. And have them watch this VERY informative TED talk:

Excellent video. Thanks for that.

**Jay Evans** · 08-11-2011, 07:28 AM

From a Google translation of the law suit filed in Germany.

The overall appearance of the two products shown above is almost identical, because the Galaxy
Tab 10.1 All elements of the distinctive features of the two copies iPad:

(I) a rectangular product with four evenly rounded corners;
(Ii) a flat, clear surface that covers the front of the product;
(Iii) the view of a metallic bezel around the flat, clear surface;
(Iv) a display which is centered on the clear surface;
(V) under the surface there are clearly marked, kept neutral
Limitations on all sides of the display, and
(Vi) if the product is switched on, colored icons within the display.
In addition, copies the tab marked 10.1 the thin profile of the second iPad

**6tr6tr** · 08-11-2011, 12:13 PM

Originally Posted by Jay Evans

From a Google translation of the law suit filed in Germany.

The overall appearance of the two products shown above is almost identical, because the Galaxy
Tab 10.1 All elements of the distinctive features of the two copies iPad:

(I) a rectangular product with four evenly rounded corners;
(Ii) a flat, clear surface that covers the front of the product;
(Iii) the view of a metallic bezel around the flat, clear surface;
(Iv) a display which is centered on the clear surface;
(V) under the surface there are clearly marked, kept neutral
Limitations on all sides of the display, and
(Vi) if the product is switched on, colored icons within the display.
In addition, copies the tab marked 10.1 the thin profile of the second iPad

See, this stuff is ridiculous. Should NOT be enforceable, but they'll probably win or settle out of court. This stuff is killing business and innovation.