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    Default To buy or not to buy?

    Hey all.

    So I'm deciding whether or not to buy this tablet. I've never owned a tablet, but have consistently used the iPad.

    I seem to like the android theory behind customization and multi-screen ability.

    However, Before making a purchased I'm concerned about tthree things.

    1. How smooth is this device?
    2. What is the actual battery life of this device?
    3. will lollipop be updated on the device when it comes out? (do u have to wait for samsung?)

    I'm looking for a productivity device, which also allows me to put comic books and read the news from multiple sources.

    Should I wait for nexus 8, or the next ipad?

    Any thoughts?
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumPrime View Post
    Hey all.

    So I'm deciding whether or not to buy this tablet. I've never owned a tablet, but have consistently used the iPad.

    I seem to like the android theory behind customization and multi-screen ability.

    However, Before making a purchased I'm concerned about tthree things.

    1. How smooth is this device?
    2. What is the actual battery life of this device?
    3. will lollipop be updated on the device when it comes out? (do u have to wait for samsung?)

    I'm looking for a productivity device, which also allows me to put comic books and read the news from multiple sources.

    Should I wait for nexus 8, or the next ipad?

    Any thoughts?
    From what I have seen this should be an overall nice device. However, Samsung's version of Android might make this a little on the slow/lag side.
    As for battery life, It might depend on a few things like what brightness setting you have, how much the screen is on, etc.
    Android L (we still don't know the proper name for it yet) probably will come to the device, but you would have to wait for Samsung. If you want a device that will get updates quickly, look at the Nexus line.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    From what I have seen this should be an overall nice device. However, Samsung's version of Android might make this a little on the slow/lag side.
    As for battery life, It might depend on a few things like what brightness setting you have, how much the screen is on, etc.
    Android L (we still don't know the proper name for it yet) probably will come to the device, but you would have to wait for Samsung. If you want a device that will get updates quickly, look at the Nexus line.
    I don't notice lag...on my tab s 10.5
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    Ok let me preface this by saying, I am a moderate hacker and maker from the days when you could call Hong Kong for free by singing specific notes into a payphone. The new stuff I am still learning.

    It sounded like you wanted an out of the box verdict. Hacking dissertations are available elsewhere. Here is what I know so far....

    Not quite half of the 16 gig of storage is taken up with preloaded apps you can not delete or move to an sd card (it will accept a 128 gig sd card.) Some of these are productivity apps like Evernote. I installed Pro Office suite (74+ Mg) and was disappointed that it would not move.

    Snappy. The 3 Gig of ram makes a hugh difference in loading large programs and docs quickly.

    Pretty. The amazing display is the biggest battery drain, but the lowest resolution setting is still great for everything productive and not quite doubles battery life. Keeping it on the lowest setting has me at 76% remaining battery power after 7.5 hours of running the internet connection thru blue tooth while installing apps, reading docs/web pages, watching TV shows like Bones. Having it on the highest setting had me at 45% after 6ish hours of running the internet connection thru blue tooth while watching TV.

    Bluetooth tethering is supported by the device so all the apps (so far) that ask to use wifi will not know your using bluetooth. I returned a couple of other devices because with out that native support the app tries to force you to turn on wifi thus alerting your carrier that you are tethering without paying extra. With the built in support, you agree to the app using wifi but the GTS 8.4 routes it through the bluetooth tether so the app does not know wifi is off and works fine. Again this is an out of the box, apps from play store discussion. For me this was HUGH because I have an old unlimited data plan from Verizon running thru a rooted Droid X.

    Annoying for me... Samsung has replaced the menu key with a task manager screen allowing you to switch between apps quickly. The functions normally available from the menu button are scattered if available at all. I am sure I will eventually hunt the functions down but right now GRRRRRR.

    Any specific questions?
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    One thing I'm very concerned about, is the smoothness of the transitions between apps and muti-screen ability.

    I hear a lot of negative comments about touchwiz taking up so much resources that it makes the device equivalent to many low spec devices like the nexus. When paying this kind of money for a device, I do want to use it for a few years to come and have it run very nicely.

    I have come to two hypothesis about the touchwiz. (a) People hate the old touchwiz and say its still bad... Or people who typically don't use the device say they've heard this. (b) touchwiz has gotten dramatically better over the years, but the internet has not yet caught up with the rumours.

    In your opinion is touchwiz worth it?


    Also, I wouldn't want to turn the resolution down. I wonder how long start to finish you have with wifi on until the device needs a charge.
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    One thing I'm very concerned about, is the smoothness of the transitions between apps and muti-screen ability.

    Flawless

    In your opinion is touchwiz worth it?

    Touch functions are snappy and I did not see any relevant complaints during my pre-purchase research. I am perplexed Worth what? The price was taken up by the 3 gig of ram and the OMG pretty screen.

    I wonder how long start to finish you have with wifi on until the device needs a charge.

    Several locations say worst case is 6 hours. Since it injures the battery to run it all the way down, I will not be repeating their findings. I can say that seems a little low as it was at 45% after 6ish hours of high res video streaming.

    Also, if you are looking for many years of use; then, you need to have a plan for a techie to replace the battery in two or three years. I paid for Best Buy 3yr plan because the price of the battery and labor was more than the plan.

    Here is a few responces...
    http://forum.xda-developers.com/gala...sults-t2809818
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumPrime View Post
    One thing I'm very concerned about, is the smoothness of the transitions between apps and muti-screen ability.

    I hear a lot of negative comments about touchwiz taking up so much resources that it makes the device equivalent to many low spec devices like the nexus. When paying this kind of money for a device, I do want to use it for a few years to come and have it run very nicely.

    I have come to two hypothesis about the touchwiz. (a) People hate the old touchwiz and say its still bad... Or people who typically don't use the device say they've heard this. (b) touchwiz has gotten dramatically better over the years, but the internet has not yet caught up with the rumours.

    In your opinion is touchwiz worth it?


    Also, I wouldn't want to turn the resolution down. I wonder how long start to finish you have with wifi on until the device needs a charge.
    I am in the Boat of I like Touchwiz
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherkindofcouger View Post
    One thing I'm very concerned about, is the smoothness of the transitions between apps and muti-screen ability.

    Flawless

    In your opinion is touchwiz worth it?

    Touch functions are snappy and I did not see any relevant complaints during my pre-purchase research. I am perplexed Worth what? The price was taken up by the 3 gig of ram and the OMG pretty screen.

    I wonder how long start to finish you have with wifi on until the device needs a charge.

    Several locations say worst case is 6 hours. Since it injures the battery to run it all the way down, I will not be repeating their findings. I can say that seems a little low as it was at 45% after 6ish hours of high res video streaming.

    Also, if you are looking for many years of use; then, you need to have a plan for a techie to replace the battery in two or three years. I paid for Best Buy 3yr plan because the price of the battery and labor was more than the plan.

    Here is a few responces...
    8.4 battery life results. | Samsung Galaxy Tab S | XDA Forum

    I average 4 Hours of Screen time which is what matter but I keep brightness at 60% or so
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherkindofcouger View Post
    Ok let me preface this by saying, I am a moderate hacker and maker from the days when you could call Hong Kong for free by singing specific notes into a payphone. The new stuff I am still learning.

    It sounded like you wanted an out of the box verdict. Hacking dissertations are available elsewhere. Here is what I know so far....

    Not quite half of the 16 gig of storage is taken up with preloaded apps you can not delete or move to an sd card (it will accept a 128 gig sd card.) Some of these are productivity apps like Evernote. I installed Pro Office suite (74+ Mg) and was disappointed that it would not move.

    Snappy. The 3 Gig of ram makes a hugh difference in loading large programs and docs quickly.

    Pretty. The amazing display is the biggest battery drain, but the lowest resolution setting is still great for everything productive and not quite doubles battery life. Keeping it on the lowest setting has me at 76% remaining battery power after 7.5 hours of running the internet connection thru blue tooth while installing apps, reading docs/web pages, watching TV shows like Bones. Having it on the highest setting had me at 45% after 6ish hours of running the internet connection thru blue tooth while watching TV.

    Bluetooth tethering is supported by the device so all the apps (so far) that ask to use wifi will not know your using bluetooth. I returned a couple of other devices because with out that native support the app tries to force you to turn on wifi thus alerting your carrier that you are tethering without paying extra. With the built in support, you agree to the app using wifi but the GTS 8.4 routes it through the bluetooth tether so the app does not know wifi is off and works fine. Again this is an out of the box, apps from play store discussion. For me this was HUGH because I have an old unlimited data plan from Verizon running thru a rooted Droid X.

    Annoying for me... Samsung has replaced the menu key with a task manager screen allowing you to switch between apps quickly. The functions normally available from the menu button are scattered if available at all. I am sure I will eventually hunt the functions down but right now GRRRRRR.

    Any specific questions?
    Just hold down the task manager for a few seconds and it will show the menu.
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    Quote Originally Posted by theotherkindofcouger View Post

    Bluetooth tethering is supported by the device so all the apps (so far) that ask to use wifi will not know your using bluetooth. I returned a couple of other devices because with out that native support the app tries to force you to turn on wifi thus alerting your carrier that you are tethering without paying extra. With the built in support, you agree to the app using wifi but the GTS 8.4 routes it through the bluetooth tether so the app does not know wifi is off and works fine. Again this is an out of the box, apps from play store discussion. For me this was HUGH because I have an old unlimited data plan from Verizon running thru a rooted Droid X.
    I too have unlimited data through Verizon that I would like to use on my Tab S 8.4. I currently have a Galaxy s4 Phone. My question for you is did you is: route your phone yourself? After the phone is in root mode, what must be done to allow the use of data on the tablet?
    Could you provide any links or informational support that will describe the necessary steps to route my phone and enable the bluetooth tethering you spoke of. (Any additional apps or downloads you used) Any tips are greatly appreciated! Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by QuantumPrime View Post
    Hey all.

    So I'm deciding whether or not to buy this tablet. I've never owned a tablet, but have consistently used the iPad.

    I seem to like the android theory behind customization and multi-screen ability.

    However, Before making a purchased I'm concerned about tthree things.

    1. How smooth is this device? It is very smooth, I installed the google launcher and it runs as fast as my nexus 7
    2. What is the actual battery life of this device? Battery life will vary, but I use it pretty heavily and it lasts me about 2 days before needing recharged (your usage will vary)
    3. will lollipop be updated on the device when it comes out? (do u have to wait for samsung?)
    It will get updated but you will have to wait for samsung to release it. How long that will be? Who knows, but seeing as this is their flagship tablet line, I think it, along with the s5 will get priority for getting android L first
    I'm looking for a productivity device, which also allows me to put comic books and read the news from multiple sources. I read the news a lot on the tab. The screen is amazing and great for reading.

    Should I wait for nexus 8, or the next ipad?

    Any thoughts?
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    Who cares about daily usage.... Screen time is a much better stat for battery life. My tablet lasts on average 4 hours of screen time and anywhere between 1 and 6 days depending if I use it
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    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S3 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
    iPhone 4 AT&T
    iPhone 3GS AT&T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Closingracer View Post
    Who cares about daily usage.... Screen time is a much better stat for battery life. My tablet lasts on average 4 hours of screen time and anywhere between 1 and 6 days depending if I use it
    Well to me it's more relevant. I can tell you exactly what I do for daily usage, screen on time could be a lot of things. But I was just telling the person my personal experience. My bad that that gets you such in arms...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Premium1 View Post
    Well to me it's more relevant. I can tell you exactly what I do for daily usage, screen on time could be a lot of things. But I was just telling the person my personal experience. My bad that that gets you such in arms...
    It isn't relevant.... Screen time is how much battery life you get when you are using it which is important.... Not when it is sleeping for 3 days with airplane mode on..
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- Verizon
    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
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    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Closingracer View Post
    It isn't relevant.... Screen time is how much battery life you get when you are using it which is important.... Not when it is sleeping for 3 days with airplane mode on..
    Well seeing how my tablet is always on wifi and being used, daily usage IS relevant. And if it is that big of a deal then just ignore what I said. I was giving advice to someone. I know what type of usage I get out of the tablet and if the person asking has similar usage that is how it's relevant.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Premium1 View Post
    Well seeing how my tablet is always on wifi and being used, daily usage IS relevant. And if it is that big of a deal then just ignore what I said. I was giving advice to someone. I know what type of usage I get out of the tablet and if the person asking has similar usage that is how it's relevant.
    Which is best described by screen time which tells you how much your using that tablet while the screen is on.....
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- Verizon
    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S3 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
    iPhone 4 AT&T
    iPhone 3GS AT&T
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    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- Verizon
    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S3 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
    iPhone 4 AT&T
    iPhone 3GS AT&T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Closingracer View Post
    Which is best described by screen time which tells you how much your using that tablet while the screen is on.....
    Not really. Someone saying "i get 4 hours screen time on a tablet" means nothing to me. Phones, that is a different story. What was being done, certain tasks will drain battery quicker than others. So once again USAGE is what is more important. You see it differently so we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Premium1 View Post
    Not really. Someone saying "i get 4 hours screen time on a tablet" means nothing to me. What was being done, certain tasks will drain battery quicker than others. So once again USAGE is what is more important. You see it differently so we are just going to have to agree to disagree.
    And your screen is on when you use your tablet and isn't on when your not using it..... Your obviously not using your tablet for 2 days because no battery exists to last 2 days....
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    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S3 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
    iPhone 4 AT&T
    iPhone 3GS AT&T
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    Quote Originally Posted by Closingracer View Post
    And your screen is on when you use your tablet and isn't on when your not using it..... Your obviously not using your tablet for 2 days because no battery exists to last 2 days....
    Yes because you know exactly what I do with my tablet. Let me break it down for you. I wake up every morning, check my tablet for an hour or so before heading into work. Then once I return from work it gets used from usually around 4-12am, then while still getting notifications over night it sits next to my bed. Wake up and repeat, except usually about about 2 hours or so the next day it will need a charge. Not to mention there are devices out there that can get 2 days out of the battery. Most phones no because the batteries are tiny, but some of the moto phones and the huweai devices possibly. Once again this is my usage, not sure why you are getting so up in arms about the experience that I have with MY tablet. I do not care whether the OP buys it or not, I was just trying to give them a ballpark guesstimate. For some reason that made you get your panties in a bunch...
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    Screen on time is a much more relevant way to measure battery life. This is what I always go by.
    how many days you get out of a battery basically tells nothing as everyones actual usage time of the tablet (screen on time) will vary during each day.

    that is like saying I eat more than you because I eat 5 meals a day and you only eat 3. It has nothing to do with how many times but how much each time.

    it has nothing to do with how many days a tablet battery lasts but rather how much actual screen on time usage it gets.
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    Quote Originally Posted by brosko View Post
    Screen on time is a much more relevant way to measure battery life. This is what I always go by.
    how many days you get out of a battery basically tells nothing as everyones actual usage time of the tablet (screen on time) will vary during each day.

    that is like saying I eat more than you because I eat 5 meals a day and you only eat 3. It has nothing to do with how many times but how much each time.

    it has nothing to do with how many days a tablet battery lasts but rather how much actual screen on time usage it gets.
    Yes I totally agree but he couldn't get it.... Lol my tablet can easily last me 2 - 3 days because I don't use it a lot at times
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    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S3 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
    iPhone 4 AT&T
    iPhone 3GS AT&T
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    Buy buy buy.. Just treated myself to the lte version and love it

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    The device itself is fine. I bought it for my wife as a gift. The one fatal flaw - and this is only an issue if you cast movies or music via Chromecast - is that the system UI keeps crashing every time you stream a movie to Chormecast via the Play Movies app. The issue is explained here: Fix - process com.android.systemui has stopped when mirroring on Chromecast | AndroMods. Called Samsung and they couldn't do anything about it so I returned it. Who knows how long it will take Samsung to fix this error (and it happens with the LG G3 too, something about the code in touchwiz, or whatever LG uses, that allows you to adjust the volume from the status bar causes the systemui to crash; and there is a fix for LG but not Samsung and only if you are rooted, which I don't like to do), but if you don't plan on casting music/movies via Chromecast, then the device itself is pretty awesome.

    As for me, I'm waiting for the next Nexus tablet.

    This is kinda why I don't like how Android manufacturers skin their devices. It doesn't really add anything to the experience (at least for me) and always seems to cause some issue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Frazzel 001 View Post
    Buy buy buy.. Just treated myself to the lte version and love it

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    They haven't announced a LTE version though yet if I remember...
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- Verizon
    Motorola Droid Turbo - Verizon
    Samsung Galaxy Note 4- t-mobile
    Samsung Galaxy Tab S 10.5 32GB Wifi
    Apple iPad Air 2 128GB
    Samsung Galaxy Note 3- T-mobile
    Nexus 5 32GB
    Samsung Galaxy S4 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S3 AT&T
    Samsung Galaxy S2 Skyrocket AT&T
    iPhone 4 AT&T
    iPhone 3GS AT&T
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