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    Default Galaxy S5: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    How cumbersome has it been for users who have rooted their devices with Knox installed? I never updated 4.3 on my S3 and stayed on 4.1.2 in order not to get Knox. All I kept reading was horrible stories of bricked devices with users trying to downgrade because Knox prevented root. What is the deal with Knox as of now within the rooting community?
    Last edited by NotJustAPhone; 04-06-2014 at 11:09 AM.
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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I don't think we can even begin to understand or answer that question until some units are in the hands of the developers.

    My opinion were seeing the OEM's dictate on the branded devices such as the S5 that they prefer you don't root. That is where the developer edition or Google Play editions come into the picture, yes a higher price and you normally have to wait a month or two after the initial release of the new flagship before they release the DE or GP editions.

    I have always rooted my phones for various reasons, but to be honest as Android has evolved and the OEM's & carriers have followed up with redesigning their UI's the reasons of the past for rooting are disappearing. We now have toggles (customizable in some cases) , battery percent display in status bars, great selection of 3rd party launchers and many other options that rooting was always known for.

    Only options left that are common " wants " anymore is custom themes, tethering and custom kernels for better battery life. The rest is gimmicky stuff IMO.
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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    Quote Originally Posted by Paul627g View Post
    I don't think we can even begin to understand or answer that question until some units are in the hands of the developers.

    My opinion were seeing the OEM's dictate on the branded devices such as the S5 that they prefer you don't root. That is where the developer edition or Google Play editions come into the picture, yes a higher price and you normally have to wait a month or two after the initial release of the new flagship before they release the DE or GP editions.

    I have always rooted my phones for various reasons, but to be honest as Android has evolved and the OEM's & carriers have followed up with redesigning their UI's the reasons of the past for rooting are disappearing. We now have toggles (customizable in some cases) , battery percent display in status bars, great selection of 3rd party launchers and many other options that rooting was always known for.

    Only options left that are common " wants " anymore is custom themes, tethering and custom kernels for better battery life. The rest is gimmicky stuff IMO.
    I agree wholeheartedly with what I bolded! Dare I say that my S3 when I was on stock was the least cumbersome experience as opposed to being rooted. Rooting for me now on my S3 has been a pain with random things either being broken and/or faulty. But you're right, seems like theres not much reason anymore other than "wants" and people just needing to play further with their device. I just want a device thats going to perform well and give me the least amount of trouble while providing me some customization as a daily driver.
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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    ^^ Exactly. I rooted devices going all the way back to Android 2.1 ( Eclair ) and ran, modded and built ROMs like crazy and now its gotten to a point where I really don't have that need anymore to root to get what we were after in the past that only rooting options offered.

    That is a true thumbs up to Google and the OEMs for listening to the rooting community and their likes regardless if they support the whole idea or not.
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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I think it probably will be somewhat of a burden. However, I do agree with Paul, that reasons for rooting are diminishing, as ways to modify your device no longer need root access.

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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    At first i rooted because like most people I hate having VZW apps thrown down my throat and taking up space as well as playing Words with friends and having to wait 30 seconds for their advertisement to end so i can play the next game. Honestly who played Lets Golf or used VZW Maps (at a charge no less). I think them coming out with Knox 2.0 is a good thing for current Knox issues. I hate that Knox is crammed down our throats, but a newer version could be a "key" into breaking the older version. I would love to see Knox as an option a plain n simple yes or no decision from the first start up of the phone, but you cant even get a dev edition without Knox and the S5 is going to have it preinstalled no doubt.
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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I recently had to get a replacement Note 2. The one I am running now was running 4.3 with knox on it when they gave it to me. It was so laggy and slow, I couldn't stand it and luckily CF auto root still works with 4.3 so I rooted and went back to my tried and true debloated 4.1.2 rom. Now with the S5 the rom is even bigger. To be honest, I like what I am seeing for specs and features with the S5 and I am interested in it. But if Knox can't be cracked in the next few months, that may be the final straw for me with samsung devices. The software is just so laggy and bloated and I've yet to have a stock samsung phone not run slow with the exception of my GNEX which didn't have any Samsung bloat on it. Now with the way the carriers are financing the phones it may be an even bigger reason to buy a nexus or GPE version of the S5 or One.
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    Default Re: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    mis a jour

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    Default Re: Galaxy S5: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I use Ricky's Rom Tools (find it on XDA) to De-Knox my Samsung Roms

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    Default Re: Galaxy S5: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I have some pretty good reasons for rooting that are almost never mentioned when people are asked or respond to such comments/threads...

    1. I replace the systems hosts file to block porn, spam, tracking, and sites known for redirecting requests (also blocks most web ads, but not in app ads, so devs can still get their money from free with ads apps), this not only speeds up internet based traffic, but also prevents garbage from collecting on your device.

    2. I also root specifically for the option to perform backups of the system in case something goes wrong (including full phone backups, device ID backups, and titanium app backups so I can keep my game progress between phones when an online restore is not included by the dev. There is nothing like spending 20-200 hours playing a game on a device over a 2 yr contract then moving to a new phone and having to start over or just stop playing your fav games...)

    3. change the boot loader image and startup animation, if for no other reason, in case someone gets a hold of my phone and factory resets it, I can always prove it was mine simply by having them reboot... but also as the stock image and boot animation usually sucks.

    4. other reasons that most people perform rooting, trying different roms and kernels and removing bloat (a little different from me though, I remove the default ringtones often leaving only 1 ringtone, 1 notification sound, and 1 alarm, and also I remove the excess fonts I don't need)
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    Default Re: Galaxy S5: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I would like to root my phone to remove bloat (Samsung puts so much garbage on their phones) and to block ads. For me, there would not be a reason to run in root on a regular basis if I could accomplish those things. The phone doesn't belong to me so I don't want to trip knox. In fact, I might want to use the private version of knox to lock up some personal info. It sounds like a few people over on xda are getting close, so maybe there is hope. In the mean time, I'll have to put up with regular application updates being pushed to the phone by Samsung.
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    Default Re: Galaxy S5: Will Knox be a burden for rooting?

    I do believe that they have been able to reset Knox on the note2 or 3 I read it over at xda. So they on the right track to having a reset patch/fix

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