Android coming from Palm Pre
Ok the screen on the Epic is beautiful but using the Android web browser on the Epic does not make it look so good. Web pictures look washed out like they are displayed in 8 or 16 bit color and everything about it just looks ugly. I am coming from a Palm Pre so I was shocked at how bad it looks. The Email program is also poor and my opinion of Android OS isn't that good.
It is far ahead of Webos in terms of applications but I think the OS itself isn't as elegant as Webos. For eg. the notifications aren't intuitive. Anyone coming from a Palm Pre? What do you think of Android? If Palm announce a new phone within 30 days and it has a larger screen and good specs I would dump the Epic.
- 09-01-2010, 11:46 PM #2
I'm considering switching from the Pre to the Epic. jamex, could you explain how/why the notifications and email app are less effective? Those are two things you can't really "test" in the store. I played with the phone yesterday and really like some of the Epic's features, but I am a little afraid I'll end up missing WebOS. Any imput would be appreciated.
- 09-01-2010, 11:52 PM #3
Re: Android coming from Palm Pre
Hesright, notifications aren't as clever. There is less information there. On te other hand, gmail pushes much faster on android than it does on the pre
Images on the browser do look crappy. Part of it is becase the brightness is turned down, but the are also rescaled or something as well.
Overall, the epic is much better, but there is no doubt about it, you will miss WebOS, and you might get jealous when HP releases new hardware.
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- 09-02-2010, 12:49 AM #4
I just got the EPIC 4G, and the WebOS e-mail app is noticeably better than the Android OS e-mail app and the gmail app. The WebOS app is extremely intuitive and out of the box it lets you have access all the inboxes and how many e-mails are unread. You can also swipe from one e-mail to the next without having to scroll back to your inbox.
In the end however, the speed of the EPIC 4G makes up for it. The Pre was just so slow.... The EPIC 4G just zips through everything you throw at it.
I agree, you will miss the Webos. I spent two days configuring Android OS to my taste. With the Pre it took less than 1hr. Now, to be fair, Android OS does provide much more configurability.
- 09-02-2010, 01:42 AM #5
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I've had the Pre from the start and yes it is much easier to work with. But the number one reason I left is because of the support. Even if new hardware was to come out later this year, it's still lags in apps. It also needs support from companies who will create apps for it and right now it's not there. To date there are about 3700 apps and much of them are worthless. Palm had it's chance and now it needs to play catch up, the Epic is a nice phone and I can learn to live with it.
- 09-02-2010, 02:23 AM #6
I had a pre for a year. Palm did a great job with OS, but any time that you get aquired you loose focus and that is what happened with palm. I have been through it many times and have seen countless times.
They have not even rumored about new hardware. Even Windows Phone 7 is doing a better job at spreading the news.
Web OS SDK info came out and cool stuff but nothing for me to stick around for. Enough of that.
It is taking me time to transition, jutlst like when I got my Palm Pre.
Things I miss:
- Messaging all in one. Now I have text messages in one app and google talk in another. Loved it all being one app. Have not found anything similar. Anyone know of app that does this?
- Cards I sorta miss, but not as much as I thought.
Things I like:
- Speed is GREAT.
- Keyboard is a lot better. For example the directional keys are great to have. Much easier to get the curser to the right place.
- Notification works well. Like that I can really customize the sounds for the diffferent notifications.
- over all I am liking the change.
Love the choices and variety of apps available.
- 09-02-2010, 02:50 AM #7
Re: Android coming from Palm Pre
We have already seen pics of a webos tablet, smartphone and, apparently, a watch, coming from HP. New stuff is right around the corner, but i see no reason to have multiple webos devices for myself. Id rather have a pre and an epic than a pre and a pre 2.
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- 09-02-2010, 03:24 AM #8
I agree with Op on the web rendering images smaller, i dont think web images are washed out. just smaller i think due to screen being bigger.
The notifications are what i miss most about the Pre, although sometime snotifcations on the pre were not subtle enough. on the android they are too subtle. I likes the ease of use of the Pre's stock e-mail and im apps, but the handcent is so customizable that i quickly got over the pre.
Also with talk to text & swype I do not even miss my Pre that much.
I even have a choice to use Touchwiz or android stock launcher.
WiFi was a pain in the **** to set up on my Epic, the pre was simple.
(i finally had to restart my router then epic picked up my Wifi right away)
Even though the Pre was elegent very user friendly it still seemed vanilla and stuck with no hope for more developement. it has the power to handle majority of the apps that the droid uses, why Palm never got it launched properly I will never understand. The overclocking made it feel just as fast as my Epic, in fcat it loaded Web pages fatser it seems. and the card view was TRUE Multitasking.
The Epic with Android 2.1 feels complete, The Pre felt incomplete.. which led to its fall. I hope to see WebOs on a tablet and maybe a new generation device 12-18 months a new mobile phone with fully developed software dev. support and hardware to at least match the industries leading manufacturers.Please add thanks if I have helped you in anyway. I will always spread the Aloha and reciprocate.
Samsung Epic; Froyo DK28
Carrier Sprint since 1998
Palm Pilot 1997 + Nokia 7650,8200, Palm Treo 700p 2005, Palm Pre June 2009, Sayonara Palm. Android Sept. 2010
- 09-02-2010, 04:46 AM #9
Re: Android coming from Palm Pre
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- 09-02-2010, 04:52 AM #10
I am coming from a pre and the things i like/miss were:
-The email program. It has pinch to zoom and shows images.
-Gestures. I still see myself trying to use WebOs gestures on the Epic
-The slide up keyboard(its so quick, im not a landscape fan, infact I dont even use the landscape on my Epic, maybe ill use it when i have long messages to right or games).
-I think the palm pre has better 3d games, especially with all the ports comings.
-Seems to charge faster(so far, this can change after using the epic, maybe epic will charge faster).
-battery and easier to use
-Pre is king of the sun ie it is completely visible even in direct sunglight
Things I like about Epic/Android
-beatiful screen more screen realestate.
-options of virtual keyboard(which i am loving and rocking)
-App store is actually pretty decent
-HD camcorder/Picture camera
-better browsing experience
-not so scratchable glass screen, very slick.
-louder speaker(so you can show off to ur friends :-) )
- 09-02-2010, 04:54 AM #11
One more thing, anyone knwo of a better email program? for some reason The Epic comes wiht 2. i get notifications from Both. I dont like that I cant zoom in them, its annoying.
Another thing, How can we save battery life? I dunno which programs keep grabbing data from the internet. Is there a way to turn off data? BTW I know I can turn off all sync by using The Power Bar widget(the one wiht brightness, wifi, gps, on off switches) that comes in the phone.
- 09-02-2010, 05:36 AM #12
I loved the Pre e-mail client that it never occurred to me that you could have competing software for this.
- 09-02-2010, 05:39 AM #13
As for battery life. There's a samsung widget preinstalled on the phone that you can load and it shows how many apps are running and which they are. A neat trick I also learned, if you hit the back button to leave an app it closes, but if you hit other keys, such as home, it stays running in the background and AndroidOS eventually will turn it off. Hit back instead of other keys if you're done with a program. It increased battery life for me!
- 09-02-2010, 07:12 AM #14
On the Pre if someone sends you an email you can see who it is from and even the subject just by looking at the screen. On Android you have to unlock the screen, pull down this notification bar that tells you that you have a new email with no other info. You have to open the application to see who the email is from. Also the email client looks really dated.
IMO you are not missing much by holding on to the Pre. I am considering returning it before the 30 days is up to wait for another Webos device but plan to play with it some more.
Last edited by jamex; 09-02-2010 at 08:55 AM.
- 09-02-2010, 09:15 AM #16
- 09-02-2010, 09:44 AM #17
I'm agreeing with those who made the switch from the Pre to the Epic. WebOS just blows away Android in almost everyway... the exclusion being the apps. BUT for me that's not enough. To get between apps it's soooo much more work than webOS. Plus webOS was much MUCH friendlier with the rooting with WebOSQI and Preware. I'm learning android as I go but I'm really missing my Pre. Some of my major complaints:
-Different LED notifications depending on communication. With the Epic you get a standard red light blink that only works when the phone isn't on the charger. With the Pre it would blink a different way for a text and another way for all other notifications (missed call, email, etc.)
-Ease of rooting. WebOSQI was pretty much dummy proof. You plug it in, select the stuff you want and hit the install button and you're done. With android you have to download a bunch of different stuff and then get into command lines which I would imagine is waaaaay beyond most people's comprehension.
-The cards...... oh how I miss the cards. It was so much easier to flip back and forth to different applications. Also you have to run the task manager to be sure everything is closed in android.
-The web browser in android either sucks or I don't know how to use it yet. Where is the refresh button? Where is a forward button?
-Notifications. The lights I already talked about but also the preview of the incoming is awesome.
-Swiping. It's just so easy to delete or move things around on the Pre. It's really really well thought out and easy to use.
- 09-02-2010, 09:46 AM #18
I was hoping someone was going to start a thread like this...
Things I miss / am still getting used to not having:
-Gestures (am still swiping back and forth on what I keep thinking is the gesture area
-Throwing cards away off the top of the screen
-Preware and all the great work of the developers on the patches and themes
-My AWESOME SportsCalendar app!!!!! (the Google sports calendars are terrible!)
-My 2 Touchstones
-The charging speed (but I do NOT miss the overheating on the Touchstone while charging!)
-Native Yahoo integration into the Messaging, Email, & Calendar apps... I live through my Yahoo email and the fact that it's not integrated into the email app (yet?) on the Epic is troubling... yes, I know I can (and have already) download the Yahoo Mail app from the App store, but it's not the same as having native integration
-Being able to go to card view to switch between open apps (has anyone found a way to switch between open apps on the Epic?)
That's all I can think of now... I'll add more as I'm sure I have forgotten some...
- 09-02-2010, 10:05 AM #19
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My brother chose the Pre over the Hero, which I decided to go with. And I would get this exactl speed every time. I think that Android just allows for more freedom for the users, such as plenty customizability (especially phones like the Epic with 7 homescreens) and a ton of apps in the Market. You dont get that with the Pre.
- 09-02-2010, 10:15 AM #20
- 09-02-2010, 01:31 PM #21
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Why I'm glad I switched from the Palm Pre
I have to agree that Android is not elegant compare to WebOS. I also agree the mail client and the messaging client on Android is lacking compare to WebOS.
But I can't stand Palm taking their time to release new hardware. They announced and demoed the new hardware and OS @ CES on 1/8/2009. As of 9/2/2009 (over 18 months), they have not announce any new hardware. Do they really expect people to wait this long for new hardware? Especially since Apple release a hardware refresh annually? Just because they created what arguably is best interface/task management system doesn't give them the right to delay hardware releases to whenever they feel like. It didn't help that their launch product was far from perfect (my Palm didn't have any Oreo effect issues, but the cheap Micro USB cover fell out and there were 2 cracks develop along the side around the middle of the screen) in terms of build quality and it lack the aggressiveness that a launch product needs to have (Ex: Evo w/ a ridiculous size screen and a 8 MP camera).
And as great as Web OS is, have anybody reset their Epic 4G? We all have to admit, all smartphones need to be reset once in a while. The Palm Pre took over 3 minutes. The Epic 4G took less than 30 seconds.
While Palm almost openly embraced home brew, that something you needed to do because the OS is too simple for geeks like us. Android on the other hand, have so much to customized that I haven't even look into rooting yet. I might, depends if there's any need for it (for the Pre, it was tethering).
So here is what I was looking for when I decided to upgrade from Pre to Epic 4G:
Faster, more responsive - checked
Annual hardware update - checked (I got HTC, Samsung, and others to choose from)
Better features in apps - checked (Yelp have a check-in function, NYT downloads all articles instead of just a paragraph and no pictures)
Better battery life - checked (the Pre was the worst smartphone in terms of battery life that I ever had)
Some nice bonuses that I wasn't looking for but got for upgrading to Epic 4G
Better camera - They actually have a 1/2 press shutter button like real p&s digital cameras. Love that it has tap to focus too.
Swype/on-screen keyboard - Still learning, but i like having the option of using an on-screen keyboard when I'm too lazy to slide out.
Battery usage monitor - Knowing how I drained the battery is the first step to solving battery drains issues. I can only guess that the antenna on the Palm Pre sucks battery life like a vacuum cleaner when you are in a bad signal area (my workplace).
Front facing camera - Its no face time, but video chat is the next gen, right?
Native Divx support - The Pre did such a bad job w/ multimedia that I gave up watching videos on phones. I need to pick up that habit again now that I have the Epic 4G.
So I thought I would miss the Palm Pre, the synergy. But nope, other than wishing Android have a better task management system, I'm really happy w/ the switch.
- 09-02-2010, 02:06 PM #22
One thing that kind of bothers me about Android Os is that it is plain ugly. The UI and widgets do not look as well designed as they are on WebOS. Webos UI is just so beautiful in comparison while Android looks like the apps are on thin paper and lack depth. Colors do not look rich either. It's almost like going from Windows 7 to Windows 95. I really was under the impression that Android had more polish since it has a billion dollar company behind it.
- 09-02-2010, 02:43 PM #24
- 09-02-2010, 02:44 PM #25
I just dumped the Pre for the Epic... here are a few thoughts:
The Epic's hardware blows the Pre out of the water.
The Epic is faster. My Sprint Pre was soooo slooooow.
I greatly miss webOS and may return someday, but the Pre is two-year-old hardware AND software and is way behind in features and functionality.
I keep trying to "gesture" on the Epic like I did on my Pre. This will take some getting used to.
My biggest complaint with the Pre was speed. The Epic is super fast and responsive. I love it.
If you're thinking about switching and you're up for a discount on a new handset, take the jump and go with the Epic (or the Evo if you prefer).
One note: battery life on the Epic, at first, appears to be way better than the Pre -- but that's not saying much. The Pre's battery life sucked.
Just a few random thoughts here. I've only had the Epic for one day and plan to post more detailed comparison's to the Pre over the weekend.