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    Default Re: Wish Android was as Open as webOS

    But how much easier can it get than one-click? Geez! Lol... Besides, almost all the tweaks mentioned in this thread don't even require root. Are you sure you even need it? How many different launchers and dialers can you grab from the Apple market lol?
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    Default Re: Wish Android was as Open as webOS

    Quote Originally Posted by Stearmandriver View Post
    But how much easier can it get than one-click? Geez! Lol... Besides, almost all the tweaks mentioned in this thread don't even require root. Are you sure you even need it? How many different launchers and dialers can you grab from the Apple market lol?
    All I want is a full backup. Gotta have root for that.
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    Now that webOS is fully open source, seems like a good hacking project would be to port it to an E4GT.

    Any takers?
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    Jeeze what a fan boy. Smearing Android - Hardly, just pointing out that it isn't any more open than iOS. You gotta a break into both of them to do anything.

    I had a difficult choice between iOS and Android. Each has advantages and disadvantages. In the end I went with Android, partly because of its open reputation. That did not turn out to be true.
    Hardly. I was a launch day buyer of the OG Palm Pre and a major proponent of WebOS, but the sadly underpowered hardware and total confusion and ultimate pooch-screwing by Palm and HP of the marketing and support strangled it in its crib. The launch day purchase of my OG EVO was like getting out of a year-long abusive relationship. When I realized I could click a link in an email and be assured that the browser would open and not give me a "Too Many Cards Open" error (when only email was open!), was the greatest day ever.

    Rooting the EVO was a one-click deal. Same with the GS2E4GT with ODIN One-Click. The tools to mod, alter, replace, tweak, tune Android are out there and relatively easy to use. What's the alternative for iPhone or the Pre? What could be done to the Pre other than patch in stuff that was left out by Palm? I can't remember what all I needed to patch in for my phone, but the only things I've needed to root for on my Androids was to run Titanium Backup and BetterBatteryStats.

    You can do plenty with Android without "having to break into it." Android is the most open OS available. No one lied to you. You're just looking to troll.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stearmandriver View Post
    I think Android WAS intended to be open for the average Joe... but the carriers don't like that and try to restrict it. That's why the pure android phones are so easy to root, but the phones with carrier and/or manufacturer skinning are a bit more challenging.

    That being said, this phone is extremely easy to root and customize these days. sfhub's one-click Odin packages are about as easy as it gets! And it's certainly not an "overhaul everything" proposition. My phone is rooted, running the stock EL29 rom. The one and only tweak I've made is the hotspot hack. That's the single reason I rooted. I'm not running a custom ROM or kernel. I've done that with other android phones... this one just doesn't require it. I'm perfectly happy with its stock performance. So we can very definitely - and easily - pick and choose which tweaks we want.

    Almost all the patches you listed are things that are available in the android market, WITHOUT rooting. Flashlight? Dozens. Launchers and browsers? Many to choose from, very customizable. Customizable dialers? Plenty. None of it requires root.

    Overclocking is a bit different, but the way I understand it, it deals with the kernel, not so much the ROM. So, I still think the WebOS devs never had the same level of access to the system - which is why they couldn't fix the real problems with it. My pre was patched and themed all to heck.. but it still couldn't perform some basic smartphone functions like opening a pdf. No real surprise Palm failed, with that kind of performance.
    Oh, yes. I totally agree that Android was meant to be open to the end user, but I don't think it was as easy to get in and change as webOS was. I agree that this was probably due to interference from the carriers. I also agree that Android allows for more customization and changes...even with non root market applications. It's also more powerful than webOS. I'm not hating on Android, or trying to knock it. Palm failed because of their inability to execute on their ideas unfortunately. HP failed because they lacked long term commitment.

    And even through all of that, I still miss how simple it was to change things with Preware and webOS quick install.
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