- 06-02-2010, 11:14 PM #2
- 06-02-2010, 11:23 PM #3
Now what the 5GB cap actually means, nobody seems to know. I look at my bill and it says I used 67mb of data last month yet I didn't get charged anything. Right now, Sprint is using the removal of the cap as a reason for the extra $10 a month.
EDIT: I should have said 6.7gb. I did some heavy tethering last month. Most months I don't tether at all.
Last edited by NicksGarage; 06-03-2010 at 10:32 AM. Reason: Added extra info.Kyo 6035 > Kyo 7135 > Palm 800W > HTC EVO 4G > HTC EVOLTE + EVO View 4G
- 06-02-2010, 11:27 PM #4
- 06-02-2010, 11:33 PM #5
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Exactly what I was thinking. Why would he even expect to hear anything from sprint for only 67 megbytes of data. I think he meant 67 gb which is insane. Id rate myself as a power user but I honestly even tethering dont pull through much more than 5-6 gigs a month on my phone. I just dont do very data intensive things I guess through my phone on the road. I think to worst draw is netflix streaming.
So am I reading this correct that the 10 dollar charge is removing the 3G cap, ive heard both ways that it does not and some are saying it does.
- 06-02-2010, 11:39 PM #6
So you guys have been charged for going over 5GB of data use on your phone in one month? On a Sprint "Simply Everything" or "Everything Data" plan? Because I haven't and I've had Sprint a long time. My plan and my bill both list "unlimited data", and these plans are advertised as such.
I'm unclear to where this "3G cap" idea came from, can you point me to where on Sprint's website it says it's unlimited data plans aren't really unlimited?
- 06-02-2010, 11:48 PM #7
- 06-02-2010, 11:49 PM #8
There is no such thing as an unwritten, and unenforced, soft cap. Either it is written, or it is enforced, or both. But if it is not written, and also not enforced, then it doesn't exist.
- 06-02-2010, 11:51 PM #9
Look at any of the data card plans. They clearly say they have a 5 GB limit. Look at the smartphone plans. They clearly say they are unlimited.
- 06-03-2010, 12:00 AM #10
- 06-03-2010, 12:06 AM #11
Saying there is no cap on smartphones is simply not true, right in the Everything Data with Any Mobile, Any Time agreement it clearly states that data is limited to 5GB on network and 300MB roaming. If you go over that amount or if over 800 voice minutes (on a single line plan) are billed as roaming, Sprint has the right to terminate your service. The real question is would they?
With the Evo, the same caps apply. Whether Sprint ever enforces them, who knows. I do know that using the Evo as a hotspot on 3G to 8 devices sure could run that up in a hurry.
- 06-03-2010, 12:06 AM #12
Yes, that page says there is a 5GB limit for "Mobile Broadband Cards, USB Modems, Embedded Modems and Phone-As-Modem". That doesn't apply to using data on your smartphone. It's unlimited just like it says. My wife and I both have Palm Pres and we've used up to 10GB of data in one month with no extra charges or scolding from Sprint.
Anyone who says there is a cap on 3G data on your EVO is just plain wrong.
If you use "Tethering" or the mobile hotspot, that's a different story.
For example, if you have an "Everything Data" plan with five smartphones on it that are all heavy data users you can use up to 20GB or so a month. Do you think Sprint is going to tell you to stop that or charge you extra after you've been paying for an "unlimited data" plan? No.
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- 06-03-2010, 12:08 AM #13
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- 06-03-2010, 12:25 AM #16
- 06-03-2010, 12:26 AM #17
It'd suck to cap people's usage on this phone(even over 3G) being you can do everything on 3G that you'll be able to do on 4G with this. Qik video chat and streaming, Youtube HQ, Fring video chat if you choose. It's stuff like that, that's reason they've decided to charge an extra $10 a month. The possibility of using all these capabilities to the phone's potential will add up in data usage. They're giving people a lot to do with their phone, many apps of which are pre-installed. Would be a joke to start enforcing a phantom "cap" on people now with a flagship device.
- 06-03-2010, 12:49 AM #18
@SaltyDawg I do stand corrected as I re-read the TOS for the 10000000 time... I do see where it's only cards, modems and phone as modem... So I apologize!
But a quick side note on VZW's lawsuit. It was over Torrent site access, downloading illegal content and use of 'unapproved' applications that affected the performance of their network.
From your link above: Verizon had to pay settlements to users that had their service terminated because they did so "without disclosing that common usages such as downloading movies or playing games online were prohibited. The company also cut off heavy Internet users for exceeding an undisclosed cap of usage per month"
They didn't term people for 'just going over their 'invisible' data limit, it was their TOS that didn't prohibit activities that were detrimental to the network - so VZW changed everyone's contracts and dropped a bunch of people - and that was in 2004... Through 2009 VZW was still offering UNLIMITED WEB and EMAIL for Smartphones (or BlackBerry) and still had in place the 5GB cap.
From Verizon's Site: Email and Web for Smartphone
Use your PDA/Smartphone for personal email and Web surfing.
Access up to 10 personal POP3 and IMAP email accounts, including Yahoo!Ž Mail, AOLŽ Mail, Windows LiveŽ HotmailŽ, and Verizon.net.
Easy email account setup.
Unlimited Web Browsing.
Voice Usage: Per your voice calling plan.
$29.99 monthly access
When added to qualifying voice plan.
They get around the legal issues of having their 5GB cap with the 'unlimited web browsing' but not streaming, downloading or torrenting. It's all stupid, and I was never throttled on VZW, but that's what they do now instead of dropping you. You simply get a slower connection.
Now, Sprint has this covered with the following line from there DATA section in the TOS: Services are not available for use in connection with server devices or host computer applications, other systems that drive continuous heavy traffic or data sessions, or as substitutes for private lines or frame relay connections.
Also in that section is the following line: Services are not available with all Sprint phones. Usage is calculated on a per kilobyte basis and is rounded up to the next whole kilobyte. Rounding occurs at the end of each session or each clock hour and, at which time we deduct accumulated usage from your plan, or assess overage or casual usage charges. They then add this under the roaming agreement: (3) a majority of data kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming is grounds for termination of service.
I will agree that the TOS is very 'fuzzy' about the actual limit on phones, but from what was explained to me was that if you only use 'approved applications' you will not run into any problems what-so-ever. I also don't think that Sprint would EVER enforce any of the limits due to the fact that their network isn't congested, speeds are adequate and they need the bodies to keep making money.
Thanks for clearing up the Phone vs Modem limit debate though!
And A Quick PS: The $10 charge is due to the fact that the EVO is going to use more data with it's 'almost full HTML5 Browser and YouTube HQ player' not due to the access or non-access of 4G data.
Last edited by zcarman; 06-03-2010 at 12:50 AM. Reason: Quick PS
- 06-03-2010, 01:41 AM #19
I agree that there is no limit. Read the terms and conditions. It only states a cap for modems, pam, etc not for smartphone. I would have to leave Sprint if it applied to phones as I am roaming on Verizon at home and would exceed the 300mb cap monthly.
- 06-03-2010, 02:10 AM #20
- 06-03-2010, 02:11 AM #21
- 06-03-2010, 02:24 AM #22
Sprint may terminate service if (1) more than 800 minutes, (2) a majority of minutes or (3) a majority of data kilobytes in a given month are used while roaming.
- 06-03-2010, 02:33 AM #23
I don't know how Sprint is handling it these days (been losing a lot of customers so they may not be terminating anyone these days) but I know a year or 2 back I read many posts about people getting letters from Sprint saying they had 30 days to port their number out because the account was being terminated for roaming too much.
So there is no 5 GB data cap. It's not written anywhere, and it's not enforced. But the roaming cap is real. It's actually written in the terms and plan descriptions, and at least used to be enforced (and may still be enforced for all I know).
- 06-03-2010, 07:51 AM #24
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I think that whether there's a data cap or not is almost irrelevant considering that, soon, all the major carriers will have done away with truly unlimited plans. It's already begining to occur at AT&T. It's only a matter of time, realistically speaking.
...and not much time, if past trends are any indication.
But, who knows. Maybe those of us fortunate enough to get on-board the 4g, 2-way video calling wagon, can be "grandfathered" until the next great phone with the next great feature-set arrives.
Business as usual...
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- 06-03-2010, 08:53 AM #25
- 70 Posts
Because android has more carrier options, carriers are forced to compete more. And that means that we, the users, will always have the option of a better service.