- 07-14-2010, 03:21 PM #2
- 07-14-2010, 03:27 PM #3
@He123321: yeah i knew this would be the first response which is true all phones become outdated almost right at release but some people can not upgrade every year or two... I could but still its not my point, you don't release a huge innovative flagship phone and try to get people to invest in a technology by buying that product even adding a premium fee manly because "most of the markets will soon be covered by the 4G network" then consider stopping it before its even completely rolled out!
@Yourdogsdead: I wouldn't mind a dual network too but seriously iDEN/CDMA/WiMax/LTE something has to give especially when Sprint would be the only WiMax and the majority being LTE why add the cost of building both they would end up just converting to all LTE.
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- 07-14-2010, 03:35 PM #5
I guess I'm just aggravated they are trying to get us to invest in a technology and their products they themselves are already backpedaling on! Asking to believe in something they don't even believe in. I believe they just settled for WiMax for now to just win the 4G race.
While Hesse said he believes in WiMax, he said the decision to use that technology was all about time to market.
"WiMax was tried-and-true tested technology at the time we made the choice," he said. "And we thought we could go with that for 4G now or wait for another technology that would be ready later. And we couldn't wait."
Clearwire's CEO Bill Morrow gave the same explanation.
"We started with the technology that was available at the time," he said.
- 07-14-2010, 03:50 PM #8
- 07-14-2010, 04:00 PM #9
Besides they aren't talking about dropping Wimax. Read what's said, they would have Wimax and LTE together, because they have the spectrum for it. Clearwire and Sprint have also said that's it's not that hard for them to change from Wimax to LTE, either, mostly just a small hardware change.
Calm down people, they didn't make anything official. T-Mobile hasn't even announced 4G yet, so this is still a while away even if it goes anywhere. Really what I think is Hesse doesn't want to rule something out that might be feasible (and maybe even productive and necessary) future business mergers and practices.
- 07-14-2010, 04:06 PM #10
- 07-14-2010, 04:10 PM #11
@sethpcs: yeah but Sprint just brought it back up, and it is breaking news and a headline on precentral right now.
@iamlilysdad: I know this is all early, I really dont see them investing in building new towers with both in the long run maybe during the transition though. It doesn't make sense to want LTE and start building towers with both when the majority already use LTE.
- 07-14-2010, 05:19 PM #13
In some ways, this would seem like the Sprint / Nextel merger all over again. At first I was excited, more towers, better coverage... but then I realized that the systems were not compatible, and there was a simply a merger of companies, but not of networks. T-Mo is GSM and Sprint is CDMA so basic phone service compatibility is out the window. Would Sprint/Nextel/T-Mobile just be a combination of 3 separate companies under one umbrella? Yeah they could all use the LTE standard, but the CDMA, iDEN, GSM issue is one that doesn't seem to work in a merger.
- 07-14-2010, 05:54 PM #14
But with things moving more and more to data centric use it would make sense for two carriers to invest in a shared network. Voice over LTE will happen, just not right away. Eventually CDMA and GSM will go by the wayside (way way down the road) but LTE could be a shared network that both companies could invest in and eventually merge all parts of the networks. It would be a long process but could (and should) work out better than the Nextel fiasco.
- 07-14-2010, 06:56 PM #15
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Sprint said back in March at CTIA that they would look into LTE in the future but at the earliest 2012.... I tried to search but I couldn't find it.... Sprint reps were saying a switch from WiMax to LTE would be relatively cheap as the basic structure would all ready be in place and it would be mostly different antenna's and a software change...... Now I am sure their "RELATIVELY CHEAP" is probably a few hundred million bucks if not a billion...
The problem right now is Sprint expected a major head start on the whole 4G technology race with WiMax... They are easily way ahead in this market BUT limit supplies of EVO's has hampered their advantage.. By the time HTC catches up with demand Verizon will be rolling out their LTE network and AT&T will not be far behind them..... A merger with T-Mobile is stupid but if T-Mobile were to start rolling out LTE and LTE handsets and Sprint planned to move to LTE in the future where all phones are more or less LTE then it might make sense in the future.... Right now CDMA and GSM networks are so opposite it would be business suicide....
T-Mobile isn't even planning an LTE network... They are just expanding their GSM network and upgrading to a faster GSM network. I had a Nexus One on T-Mobile for 3 months and IT SUCKED!!! The phone was awesome but their 3G network is so freaking small and limited... Unless your lucky and live in a HSPA+ coverage area and then your rocking....
- 07-14-2010, 08:05 PM #16
- 07-14-2010, 09:39 PM #17
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LTE is the future of wireless.. or at least in the immediate future... I think the only surprise is how quickly Sprint is thinking of making that switch.. originally Sprint said "IF" they switched it would probably be 2012 at which time the EVO will be freaking ancient technology....
- 07-23-2010, 03:19 PM #18
Currently, WiMAX equipment makers are only producing radios in the 2.1Ghz spectrum, but they could build 700Mhz units if their customers asked. Ditto for LTE. For example, right now there are 800, 900 and 1900 MHz versions of CDMA and the same chipset makers could produce 700, 800, 900, 1900 or 2100 MHz LTE or WiMAX chipsets if their customers asked. They build GSM chipsets all over the PCS spectrum. It's all a question of where they own spectrum.
You are correct that the frequency definitely DOES impact building penetration. But the low-frequency designs need wider spectrum to get the same bandwidth, so your better indoor coverage won't be as fast. It's all a compromise.
If you read the specs, WiMAX and LTE are really, really close. Less than 5% different, really. They are both code division instead of time division, both use OFDM, both use the IP stack, both have the same call control, etc. It's almost all a difference in software, not hardware. Specifically, they differ in the uplink protocols but are practically identical on the downlink. It's that uplink chipset that's the sticking point.
In fact, the chipset manufacturers are pushing them to merge in a future release of the specs. WiMAX's only advantage was its immediate availability. Right now, they're talking publicly about building "god chips" that can work on either. If any carrier switches from one to the other, they'll put these "god chips" in their base stations and build an overlay network so your legacy device won't become obsolete. That's why Sprint and Clear are so nonchalant about LTE. They'll buy whatever the vendors are peddling cheap.
So go ahead and buy that WiMAX device right now, you'll be fine. If you're on a two-year contract you'll be ready to upgrade by the time the two specs merge anyway.
- 07-23-2010, 09:18 PM #19
Since 4G is in its infant stages, and since Sprint has publicly stated it would be willing to change to LTE if thats the way the technological winds blow, a T-mobile merger might actually be very beneficial for both. T-mobile will get access to Sprint's towers (and the very rapid 4G rollout they would allow), and Sprint would get access to T-mobile's customers and infrastructure.
Yes, the technologies behind each company's network is not compatible. But with 4G rolling out that doesn't matter.
- 07-23-2010, 09:52 PM #20
A switch to LTE means consumers lose. WiMax = open standard, developed by IEEE. LTE = closed standard developed by cellular companies. LTE is the Apple Computer Corp. of the mobile broadband world.
Of course Sprint will move to LTE once it becomes available, as they want to join in the cash cow that it will be. That's why carriers choose it over WiMax. Never forget that you and I are just a dollar sign to these people.ಠ_ಠ
- 07-24-2010, 08:58 PM #21
When the 3GPP standards body saw the direction WiMAX was taking, they wisely pushed for and received no-cost pledges from the patent holders. The specter of patent trolling still looms over LTE, but for now equipment makers have neutralized the cost advantage of the open standards around WiMAX.
What the LTE patent holders really pledged is to keep chips cheap and not sue each other. What they have NOT promised is to avoid suing WiMAX makers anyway. Even if WiMAX is free and clear it could take years to prove it in court.
Either way, don't be afraid to buy WiMAX handsets and aircards right now. The biggest LTE patent troll, Qualcomm, is making WiMAX chips, too, just in case :-)
- 07-27-2010, 10:52 PM #22
Sprint has done it before. My first SprintPCS phones were GSM. In fact they left us high and dry converting to CDMA and not even offering us credit for the old phones which at the time typically cost $400 subisdized. I had two phones which cost me $800 9 months before the conversion (back then you expected to keep them three years or so) . We successfully sued sprint in a class action to get credit gien that they knew long before the public announcement.
I don't think you should have such a worry with EVO. Equipment ages and loses value much faster nowadays.
But I do I think the main worry would be if you live and or work in areas with no coverage. I would bet they do plan to slow deployment.
There are other subtle problems. yes the same spectrum and towers can be used, but with wimax not uptaken by other carriers worldwide, and LTE gaining, relative costs to Sprint for wimax support increase. Also handset makers are always looking at economies of scale and this will affect their plans. This feeds a kind of viscous circle in favor of LTE
- 08-02-2010, 12:55 AM #23
I really wouldnt blame Sprint for going LTE. It provides them with data roaming partners to increase their apparent network size. Also LTE operates on a lower frequency spectrum which can penetrate further from the towers and means they can have a less dense cell tower network for cost savings.
LTE makes sense financially & logistically for Sprint. I wouldnt blame em at all for doing it. I had Nextel & Dropped it for lack of service, I had sprint before & dropped it for lack of service, I moved to the city & they put up towers in my old stomping grounds and now I could not be more happy. For the general public (non phone geeks), signal strength is the KEY & FINAL point in whether they stay or go from a wireless provider. For Sprint, using a technology that gives them a larger apparent network via roaming partners, it makes sense to follow the crowd.
Also, Sprint owns the bandwidth for WiMax & I think it will make them a great amount of money with municipalities using it for communications. They will not be moving out of Wimax in the near future because local governments are adopting it for their communications. Suddenly dropping it would really be a hotdog in the hole for all the communities that adopt clearwire's system. There are contracts with local governments to ensure support for it in the future so it wont be going anywhere for a while
Sprint was supposed to end iDen a ways back... Pretty sure it's still kickin with new phones being released for it. Why? it is a huge service for construction. Why will Sprint keep WiMax? It will be a huge asset for government communications. Why will Sprint adopt LTE? Because it will be a huge asset for roaming agreements, users per towers & better user experience where they dont have towers or a dense sprint owned tower network
Plus these days, a tower is a tower with an array of different antenna tunings. I'd guess that to upgrade to a new wireless technology, it costs more in software licensing & logistics than actual hardware needed.
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- 08-08-2010, 08:53 AM #24
For me handset ownership,. like all consumer electronics, is shorter than ever. But if you are on a family plan, even with premier, you are still looking at two years for subsidy, so some consumers at some point will be saddled with devices that are wimax when sprint moves to LTE.
- 08-08-2010, 09:48 AM #25