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    Default Switch to Framily, no more ETF?

    I have Sprint now and renewed a 2 year contract in December 2012, so about 10 months left. I still have the now retired 450 everything plan with about $180 in ETF if I switched to T-Mobile now. For various reasons I don't want to do T-Mobile's ETF refund gimmick. Am I correct in thinking I can just switch to Framily that has no contract, and then cancel, avoiding the ETF I currently have?

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    Gimmick? It really isn't.. You pay ETF.. They reimburse you.. Simple. Like any rebate in history.

    Either way you can switch to the framily plan without renewing a contract. Just did it for my parents. They will try and give you a free tablet when you do.. If you accept that then you renew the contract.. So just don't accept that.

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    Default Re: Switch to Framily, no more ETF?

    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    I have Sprint now and renewed a 2 year contract in December 2012, so about 10 months left. I still have the now retired 450 everything plan with about $180 in ETF if I switched to T-Mobile now. For various reasons I don't want to do T-Mobile's ETF refund gimmick. Am I correct in thinking I can just switch to Framily that has no contract, and then cancel, avoiding the ETF I currently have?

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    Isn't there a device purchase required to switch to Framily? In which case the ETF becomes the purchase price of the phone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almeuit View Post
    Gimmick? It really isn't.. You pay ETF.. They reimburse you.. Simple. Like any rebate in history.

    Either way you can switch to the framily plan without renewing a contract. Just did it for my parents. They will try and give you a free tablet when you do.. If you accept that then you renew the contract.. So just don't accept that.

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    It really is a gimmick when you get into the details. You're reimbursed with a gift card, long after the etf was due. I hate using gift cards, almost useless for my spending habits. Also, you have to finance a phone from T-Mobile, give them your old phone that they only give pennies on the dollar for, and sign up for the most expensive plan.

    I want to buy a 32gb Nexus 5 from Google and switch to the $30 plan since I don't need nore than 100 minutes. I can also get about $150 for my old Sprint phones vs the $17 T-Mobile would give for the mandatory trade-in.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    Isn't there a device purchase required to switch to Framily? In which case the ETF becomes the purchase price of the phone.
    I hadn't heard that, but good question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    I hadn't heard that, but good question.

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    It wouldn't surprise me.

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    Default Re: Switch to Framily, no more ETF?

    Quote Originally Posted by Golfdriver97 View Post
    It wouldn't surprise me.
    Reading more into it, it does say new customers can buy a new phone or just activate an existing phone. For current customers, there was no mention of buying a new phone, only waiving the $15 fee until the old phone is upgrade eligible. Looks like you don't need to finance a new phone.

    Still not sure if switching makes the ETF go away though. Still can't find anything on that and don't trust Sprint to give an honest straight forward answer if asked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    It really is a gimmick when you get into the details. You're reimbursed with a gift card, long after the etf was due. I hate using gift cards, almost useless for my spending habits. Also, you have to finance a phone from T-Mobile, give them your old phone that they only give pennies on the dollar for, and sign up for the most expensive plan.

    I want to buy a 32gb Nexus 5 from Google and switch to the $30 plan since I don't need nore than 100 minutes. I can also get about $150 for my old Sprint phones vs the $17 T-Mobile would give for the mandatory trade-in.

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    Most banks will let you bank the gift card.

    It's also a gift card you can use anywhere. Want a Gimmick? Do the Verizon trade in.. You get money on a gift card that can only be used at Verizon.. That's a Gimmick.

    The T-Mobile one let's you use where ever. And as I said you get it later like any other thing like that (rebates anyone?). It doesn't mean you never get the money lol.

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    Also you can use your old phone.. And just switch. I did it for my parents.. Took them to a store and had them jump on the framily plan. Their bill went from 177 to 124 (all after taxes).

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    Quote Originally Posted by Almeuit View Post
    Most banks will let you bank the gift card.

    It's also a gift card you can use anywhere. Want a Gimmick? Do the Verizon trade in.. You get money on a gift card that can only be used at Verizon.. That's a Gimmick.

    The T-Mobile one let's you use where ever. And as I said you get it later like any other thing like that (rebates anyone?). It doesn't mean you never get the money lol.

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    Never heard of a bank letting you "deposit" a gift card. If some do, I doubt Wells Fargo would as they always fail to do anything easily or convenient. Mainly what I hate about gift cards is that you can't use them online, where I do most of my spending. I'd actually prefer to have the option of an account credit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    Never heard of a bank letting you "deposit" a gift card. If some do, I doubt Wells Fargo would as they always fail to do anything easily or convenient. Mainly what I hate about gift cards is that you can't use them online, where I do most of my spending. I'd actually prefer to have the option of an account credit.

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    It's just a visa gift card. You can use it online just like a credit card.


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    Default Re: Switch to Framily, no more ETF?

    Quote Originally Posted by georgewillow View Post
    It's just a visa gift card. You can use it online just like a credit card.


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    No you can't. You need to enter a billing address and name associated with the card, which there is none because it's a gift card. Can't use them on Amazon or any site I've ever tried. How useful a gift card is wasn't really my question though. I want a 32gb nexus 5 and the $30 plan anyway, so the gift card doesn't enter into it.

    Just wondering if anybody knows if the ETF goes away if you switch to Framily from another Sprint plan while under contract?

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    It doesn't. You have to fulfill the contract

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    It doesn't. You have to fulfill the contract

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    This. Just because they switch you to that plan, you'll still have your existing contract.

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    Quote Originally Posted by gabbott View Post
    This. Just because they switch you to that plan, you'll still have your existing contract.

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    Are you sure about this, from experience? Because Framily has no contract. I thought that's what the $15 fee (that's currently being waived) for people switching plans while not upgrade eligible was for, to reclaim the subsidies. I don't know anyone who has done it though or what, if any, new agreement they make you sign.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    No you can't. You need to enter a billing address and name associated with the card, which there is none because it's a gift card. Can't use them on Amazon or any site I've ever tried. How useful a gift card is wasn't really my question though. I want a 32gb nexus 5 and the $30 plan anyway, so the gift card doesn't enter into it.

    Just wondering if anybody knows if the ETF goes away if you switch to Framily from another Sprint plan while under contract?

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    Oh wait you want to switch... And hope it will null your ETF?

    Sorry it doesn't.. If it did everyone and their mother that wanted to leave Sprint would use this loophole to get out of the ETF.

    Below is a picture of my parents account.. They are under contract and I had them switch to framily the other weekend.. As you can see the contract goes no where.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    Are you sure about this, from experience? Because Framily has no contract. I thought that's what the $15 fee (that's currently being waived) for people switching plans while not upgrade eligible was for, to reclaim the subsidies. I don't know anyone who has done it though or what, if any, new agreement they make you sign.

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    But why would it null an existing contract? If you are a new customer signing up (or not under existing contract) then no they wouldn't extend it or make you sign one. But if you have a current contract, it will follow you until it's completed or you pay the ETF.

    Also that $15 fee, how can they reclaim the subsidies if someone were to switch to the plan, get out of contract, and then just cancel?
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    Quote Originally Posted by gabbott View Post
    But why would it null an existing contract? If you are a new customer signing up (or not under existing contract) then no they wouldn't extend it or make you sign one. But if you have a current contract, it will follow you until it's completed or you pay the ETF.

    Also that $15 fee, how can they reclaim the subsidies if someone were to switch to the plan, get out of contract, and then just cancel?
    I'm not asking for a legal argument. I understand all of that. I was asking what Sprint actually is doing. They're desperate for customers and for old and new to switch to this Framily plan. It would seem perfectly in the realm of possibility that they'd waive the ETF if they're trying to steer people towards plans with no ETF or contract. They're supposedly moving away from contracts and ETF's. It would be a good move to actually look like a non-evil company. God knows they won't keep people with their network so their policies better improve.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wessock View Post
    I'm not asking for a legal argument. I understand all of that. I was asking what Sprint actually is doing. They're desperate for customers and for old and new to switch to this Framily plan. It would seem perfectly in the realm of possibility that they'd waive the ETF if they're trying to steer people towards plans with no ETF or contract. They're supposedly moving away from contracts and ETF's. It would be a good move to actually look like a non-evil company. God knows they won't keep people with their network so their policies better improve.

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    But providing a free out of ETF on a current contract just let's the customer run away.. It doesn't help them in any way lol .

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    But providing a free out of ETF on a current contract just let's the customer run away.. It doesn't help them in any way lol .

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    But it could help them. The whole point of switching old customers to the Framily plan is to try and use them to recruit new people. ETF's leave a bad taste in people's mouths, especially when other people on the same exact plan don't have them. They can't win on service quality right now. Their network is horrible and even after Spark is done will only have theoretical speeds at half of T-Mobile's real world speeds. They need to win peope over and keep them with good customer service and policies.

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    No point, unless you want to increase churn.

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    For me this plan is a joke

    I have 3 lines that all need unlimited data so i have to add 20$ a month to each line. So the price it's now 75$ + 70$ + 65$ equaling 210$ then add in equipment protection and taxes I'll be praying over 250$ a month.

    On my 1500 minute plus data family plan i pay 110$ + 30$ + 30$ for a total of 170$ plus the added extras i mentioned
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    ffejjj,

    The pricing may not work out for you, but your pricing is incorrect in your example. When you add a line, the prices for all phones goes down. So in the example you gave, you'd be paying $65 + $65 + $65 = $195. Not $210. The only reason this would make sense for you would be if you need more than the 1500 shared minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by itsnorm View Post
    ffejjj,

    The pricing may not work out for you, but your pricing is incorrect in your example. When you add a line, the prices for all phones goes down. So in the example you gave, you'd be paying $65 + $65 + $65 = $195. Not $210. The only reason this would make sense for you would be if you need more than the 1500 shared minutes.
    I see what you're saying but still more for me.

    With free cell to cell minutes I use maybe an additional 100 minutes a month. Probably not even that much. Not to mention you have to trust that everyone on your plan will pay their portion

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    Quote Originally Posted by ffejjj View Post
    I see what you're saying but still more for me.

    With free cell to cell minutes I use maybe an additional 100 minutes a month. Probably not even that much. Not to mention you have to trust that everyone on your plan will pay their portion

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    That's why you don't get involved with those you cannot trust .

    Either way if you're good on your plan just stick with it. My parents on the "unlimited my way" with 1 GB of data was costing 177 another after taxes but now costs them 124 a month after taxes for the same plan (unlimited talk, text, and 1 GB of data).

    So just depends on the situation of the person .

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