Just Plain Android...

**n2dp** · 09-10-2010, 11:10 AM

I am new to Android (goodbye Apple) and like the progression that it is making. I have searched and "Googled" until my head hurts. Can someone, without being a jerk, tell me if I can get rid of my carrier-specific Android and install a "just-plain-Android" that I can update as the OS progresses? And, will operate correctly. Every thread that I read just seems to go in circles, with too much info about too many different things. I see alot of "this ROM is great, except..." I would like to avoid the "excepts". I just want all of my buttons and orientaion to work correctly and I would like the phone's internal features, like FM Radio, to work without the carrier lock-outs". Please help an by responding with polite *****-terminology.

Thanks,

Wade

**Gunnyman** · 09-12-2010, 08:26 AM

Short answer, what you are looking for in Android Speak is called AOSP.
It doesn't exist on the Captivate yet. When froyo drops, expect The Cyanogen Mod dev team to release CM 6.1 This is a pure AOSP Froyo, or damned close to it.
I'm with you in disliking all the Sammy "tweaks" you can get rid of a lot of it by just installing a new launcher like Launcher Pro or ADW. As for the FM Radio, I haven't seen any proof that it actually exists in the Captivate Hardware.

**flashman03** · 09-12-2010, 09:23 AM

Originally Posted by Gunnyman

Short answer, what you are looking for in Android Speak is called AOSP.
It doesn't exist on the Captivate yet. When froyo drops, expect The Cyanogen Mod dev team to release CM 6.1 This is a pure AOSP Froyo, or damned close to it.
I'm with you in disliking all the Sammy "tweaks" you can get rid of a lot of it by just installing a new launcher like Launcher Pro or ADW. As for the FM Radio, I haven't seen any proof that it actually exists in the Captivate Hardware.

When that drops it will still need to be ported over to the Captivate since no one is working on CM6.1 except for the Vibrant.

**Gunnyman** · 09-12-2010, 09:24 AM

Originally Posted by flashman

When that drops it will still need to be ported over to the Captivate since no one is working on CM6.1 except for the Vibrant.

Not so. I read that all SGS lines were going to get 6.1 If that isn't true, all we should have to do is put the cappy froyo kernel on it.

**techmik67** · 09-12-2010, 09:59 AM

Yes, I hear it would be available for all sgs too.

Hey, Gunny, please pm me..... wanna ask something about xda, but I can't pm until I make 5 posts.....

**n2dp** · 09-12-2010, 01:57 PM

Thanks for the responses. Looks like it's just "keep waiting, somethings coming".

**flashman03** · 09-18-2010, 06:32 PM

Originally Posted by Gunnyman

Not so. I read that all SGS lines were going to get 6.1 If that isn't true, all we should have to do is put the cappy froyo kernel on it.

Originally Posted by techmik67

Yes, I hear it would be available for all sgs too.

Hey, Gunny, please pm me..... wanna ask something about xda, but I can't pm until I make 5 posts.....

Guys, you don't have to believe me but this will maybe tell you something. Check out the maintainers at the bottom and let me know what it says. Thanks.

And Gunny, since when has anything just been putting a kernel on top of anything developed for another device. You are reading at XDA and you should already know the differences between all of these SGS phones are huge and it wont just be a matter of installing a kernel.

**n2dp** · 09-20-2010, 12:10 PM

I sucked it up and flashed JH7 over the weekend. Seems a bit slower to me and it was a real pain to put all of my stuff back on (I really don't understand the easy way to backup and restore apps and settings). Moving forward...

Wade

**derande** · 10-07-2010, 03:40 PM

Originally Posted by n2dp

I sucked it up and flashed JH7 over the weekend. Seems a bit slower to me and it was a real pain to put all of my stuff back on (I really don't understand the easy way to backup and restore apps and settings). Moving forward...

Wade

you shouldn't have lost previously installed apps and personal settings with the JH7 update with the Captivate. Froyo, yes, but not JH7.

**bunger** · 10-12-2010, 08:24 AM

You can always remove touchwiz (carrier specific) and run vanilla android until then. I think that may have been your original question. Just clear cache or uninstall TWLauncher in the manage apps screen. You will then run vanilla 2.1 unless you choose to lay another launcher on top.

**cobra302** · 10-12-2010, 01:38 PM

so removing touch wiz via manage apps screen will give you stock android?

**flashman03** · 10-12-2010, 07:21 PM

Ummm...I don't think that is the case at all. If you remove touchwiz you will get force closes out the *** and have to use Odin to reflash your phone. If this was possible people would have been doing this already. DONT REMOVE TOUCHWIZ FROM YOUR PHONE. Use a launcher if you want to get rid of it.

**LiquidAppo** · 10-17-2010, 03:26 AM

project might be of interest to you, but I don't believe that it's available yet.

Edit: Yes it is, pardon my stupidity.

**flashman03** · 10-17-2010, 10:57 AM

Originally Posted by LiquidAppo

project might be of interest to you, but I don't believe that it's available yet.

Edit: Yes it is, pardon my stupidity.

Actually that guy was full of sh*t. This is becoming the real AOSP and even in its beta stage it is superb.

**ragnarokx** · 10-17-2010, 11:41 AM

Originally Posted by flashman

Ummm...I don't think that is the case at all. If you remove touchwiz you will get force closes out the *** and have to use Odin to reflash your phone. If this was possible people would have been doing this already. DONT REMOVE TOUCHWIZ FROM YOUR PHONE. Use a launcher if you want to get rid of it.

I've removed almost all the TouchWiz from my phone before. I set LauncherPro as my launcher, then used to get rid of all the TouchWiz apps. I don't image it would be much different for the Captivate.

**flashman03** · 10-17-2010, 12:41 PM

Originally Posted by ragnarokx

I've removed almost all the TouchWiz from my phone before. I set LauncherPro as my launcher, then used to get rid of all the TouchWiz apps. I don't image it would be much different for the Captivate.

That is completely different from an AOSP project. Running launcherpro or ldw.launcher is fine if you choose to do so. But that is not vanilla android. And the way the guy mentioned just removing touchwiz will get you vanilla android is completely incorrect which is why I made my statement.

**ragnarokx** · 10-17-2010, 12:56 PM

Originally Posted by flashman

That is completely different from an AOSP project. Running launcherpro or ldw.launcher is fine if you choose to do so. But that is not vanilla android. And the way the guy mentioned just removing touchwiz will get you vanilla android is completely incorrect which is why I made my statement.

Ah I see. I thought removing TouchWiz was the goal, but you just want pure vanilla bean Android. Manually removing the TouchWiz components and installing the Vanilla launcher gets rid of most of TouchWiz. What other system components are you interested in that cannot be removed this way?

**flashman03** · 10-17-2010, 01:57 PM

Originally Posted by ragnarokx

Ah I see. I thought removing TouchWiz was the goal, but you just want pure vanilla bean Android. Manually removing the TouchWiz components and installing the Vanilla launcher gets rid of most of TouchWiz. What other system components are you interested in that cannot be removed this way?

Vanilla Android is a multitude of things. Adding the AOSP app icons such as email, messaging, camera and so forth. Adding the stock lockscreen, app drawer etc. You can do most of these things with a launcher but it isn't the same when you think about it.

**ragnarokx** · 10-17-2010, 02:10 PM

Originally Posted by flashman

Vanilla Android is a multitude of things. Adding the AOSP app icons such as email, messaging, camera and so forth. Adding the stock lockscreen, app drawer etc. You can do most of these things with a launcher but it isn't the same when you think about it.

Well the app icons are easy enough to modify within the .apk, then just resign and push to the phone. Has the vanilla lock screen been ported to the Captivate yet? I have the port for my Epic as a stand alone zip. And the app drawer already comes preloaded as "Launcher", you just need to switch over to it correct?

**flashman03** · 10-17-2010, 03:44 PM

Originally Posted by ragnarokx

Well the app icons are easy enough to modify within the .apk, then just resign and push to the phone. Has the vanilla lock screen been ported to the Captivate yet? I have the port for my Epic as a stand alone zip. And the app drawer already comes preloaded as "Launcher", you just need to switch over to it correct?

I guess so. I am still learning all of this stuff but to me a launcher is just a mask, so if you do delete TW you could have a relatively close AOSP in theory if you do install the AOSP app icons. Just from reading at xda with all the res.framework and source code that isn't available yet from Samsung that to get the true AOSP is more involved than running a launcher. The stock lock screen has been ported for use on the Captivate, several ROMs have it included or we can replace it in the system/app I believe if you don't want the ROM.

**bunger** · 10-19-2010, 12:21 PM

By remove touchwiz i did not mean delete it...i meant remove it from active use by your device sorry for the confusion

every android 2.1 phone has vanilla "google experience" on it TW is not an OS its a skin just like every other launcher and a lame iphone wanna be experience at that. DELETING TW is NOT GOOD. Only because ATT did not put a (Home/Vanilla) option that we can access besides TW. going into manage apps and clearing the defaults under TWLauncher will prompt you to run vanilla android on an EPIC but not on a cappy sry. I think most of the launchers we have available for the cap. are better than vanilla but if you want that true "google experience" and want to "remove" TW we are not as lucky as some other Galaxy devices. Try a launcher or one of the Cog2.2 betas. It should get you a large step towards what you want when you say "vanilla"

this is probably what your looking for but the cappy is not set up quite the same if you clear defaults on the TW its not going to give you a vanilla option (see scrnshots)