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    Default T-Mobile, Dish, Sprint and others teaming up to plead for spectrum auction changes

    It looks like the little guys are banding together to try and fight the bigger guys by requesting some changes to the spectrum auctions.

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    should be a rule where if you dont use the spectrum in a year, you give the FCC back the spectrum and FCC pays you back half of what you paid. This is what countries do in the EU, we need this rule here

    No sitting on hoards of spectrum anymore.
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    Agreed! Which is what the FCC did to T-Mobile/PCS and now AT&T/Cricket... they both had roughly a year to 15 months to decommission and repurpose the bought network and infuse it into its own...

    As far as this auction.. Yes... No 1 Company should not be able to Take ALL the spectrum! It needs to be split up! Each of the big 4 may buy no more then 1/4th... Any unbought spectrum will need to find a home with a smaller carrier
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierrajinx9 View Post
    Agreed! Which is what the FCC did to T-Mobile/PCS and now AT&T/Cricket... they both had roughly a year to 15 months to decommission and repurpose the bought network and infuse it into its own...

    As far as this auction.. Yes... No 1 Company should not be able to Take ALL the spectrum! It needs to be split up! Each of the big 4 may buy no more then 1/4th... Any unbought spectrum will need to find a home with a smaller carrier
    So it is fair for a wireless company with say 120m subscribers to get the same amount of spectrum as a company with 50m subscribers?

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    It should not matter the amount of subscribers.... It would like going to a car auction and someone stepping up and saying "Ill buy all cars on the lot.." they wont allow that... They do each car separate... and so should spectrum! It should be auctioned in chunks... Offer up a CAP on that amount of spectrum you can ACQUIRE in round 1... if after round 1, everyone has hit their limit or no one else bid... The remainder will go back up for auction.. NO CAPS!

    Its hypocritical for the FCC to tell the top 4 they must remain 4... and that Competition draws down price and innovation... and then turn around and let the top 2 Barge in and HIJACK all of it, just to sit on it with no plans!

    Which is why TMOBILE and ATT where only allowed to buy their respective "Prepaid" carriers if they moved the customer to their own networks and integrated/converted the old prepaid networks into immediate USABLE spectrum!! The FCC is done, letting spectrum SIT!
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    So it is fair for a wireless company with say 120m subscribers to get the same amount of spectrum as a company with 50m subscribers?

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    No. To avoid one company having a competitive advantage given to them by the US Government, the company with 50 million should get 2x as much until it holds the same amount as the company with 120 million. Don't let a public commodity like wireless spectrum be used as a bullet point in a commercial, and instead make carriers work for our business once they are on equal footing.

    But nobody in North America wants competitive wireless. They want BOGO and subsidies.
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    So then what about a company with 10m subscribers? Should they then be given 5x the spectrum of a 50m subscriber company?



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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    So it is fair for a wireless company with say 120m subscribers to get the same amount of spectrum as a company with 50m subscribers?
    Yes. It's fair to make the big guys compete on an equal footing. As Jerry said, wireless spectrum is a public commodity, and no one company should be able to monopolize public resources.

    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    So then what about a company with 10m subscribers? Should they then be given 5x the spectrum of a 50m subscriber company?
    Yep, until the amount of spectrum is equal for everyone.

    In fact, my preferred solution would be to have all spectrum controlled by the FCC, and for ALL carriers to have equal access to all the spectrums. Each carrier would pay the same per unit amount for the use of spectrum, not to own spectrum. That's what would really level the playing field. If everyone had access to the same spectra without discrimination, companies could compete based on the product they offer, actual towers they put in, etc., rather than having being able to bully your competitors out of the market by controlling spectrum.
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    Is it true that Sprint actually has a ton of spectrum even though they are #3?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    So then what about a company with 10m subscribers? Should they then be given 5x the spectrum of a 50m subscriber company?



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    I have no problem with a company who intends to buy spectrum and use it appropriately and efficiently but often that is not the case. Look at how much spectrum (a finite resource) is being sat on by Time Warner.

    I don't know what sprint's barking at, they have enough spectrum to build an efficient network, they just choose not to and I think the FCC should attack them for it.

    If you don't USE it, you should LOSE it.

    Ethically, squatting on spectrum is just plain wrong since if you have no use for it, you should lose it, cough cough Sprint, time warner, every other crazy corporation out there cough cough
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpham00 View Post
    So then what about a company with 10m subscribers? Should they then be given 5x the spectrum of a 50m subscriber company?

    I would like to know where you are getting these from! WHO said we are letting the SMALLER GUYS get more spectrum then the little guys! We are just saying that the SMALLER GUYS should get a fair chance... Right now... When this spectrum goes for sale... Verizon and ATT will bombard, blockaide and straight up STEAL all the spectrum so that no one else will get it!!!!

    and on another note, yes SPRINT has all of the NEXTEL Spectrum still mostly unused.... They DO NOT NEED more spectrum, they just CHOOSE not to do the work to use it... Rather, they would rather leave the network at "Eh" status and just get more customers....

    This is exactly why the FCC looked at both the T-Mobile/Metro PCS deal and the AT&T/Cricket Deal and said "Hey.. We will grant the acquisition on 1 note... You will move all the customers to YOUR network, and integrate the newly bought network into YOUR OWN... and not keep the networks Separate! They should be going after SPRINT! During the "Network Vision Rebuild" would have been the PERFECT TIME to use up all the spectrum they have.... Sucks for them!



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    Read posts 6 and 8 above.

    Also no one knows how the bidding will go. At&t didn't purchase that much of lower 700MHz from the government, aloha wireless did. Att did buy spectrum from aloha after the fact.

    Qualcomm also bought quite a bit of 700MHz spectrum. Which was later sold to att as well

    Leap also had 700MHz and aws, and was also bought by att.

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    We Shall see how this goes....

    FCC’s rules for spectrum auction may level playing field for small carriers | Ars Technica
    On Monday evening, Re/code wrote about the complicated set of rules that the FCC's wireless bureau is hoping will be adopted for the TV spectrum auction that will take place in 2015. According to these restrictions, carriers with lots of spectrum like AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint could be prohibited from bidding on up to one-third of the auctioned-off spectrum in a given area, at least when the bidding in that area reaches a particular price.

    The auction rules would dictate how many licenses a wireless company could purchase by creating two classes of spectrum licenses: restricted and unrestricted. According to Re/code, all companies would be allowed to bid on the available spectrum at first, generally in blocks of 5 MHz. Then if the bidding reaches a “threshold price,” 30 percent of the spectrum in that market would be reserved for smaller competitor companies.
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierrajinx9 View Post
    We Shall see how this goes....

    FCC€™s rules for spectrum auction may level playing field for small carriers | Ars Technica
    On Monday evening, Re/code wrote about the complicated set of rules that the FCC's wireless bureau is hoping will be adopted for the TV spectrum auction that will take place in 2015. According to these restrictions, carriers with lots of spectrum like AT&T, Verizon, and Sprint could be prohibited from bidding on up to one-third of the auctioned-off spectrum in a given area, at least when the bidding in that area reaches a particular price.

    The auction rules would dictate how many licenses a wireless company could purchase by creating two classes of spectrum licenses: restricted and unrestricted. According to Re/code, all companies would be allowed to bid on the available spectrum at first, generally in blocks of 5 MHz. Then if the bidding reaches a “threshold price,” 30 percent of the spectrum in that market would be reserved for smaller competitor companies.
    FCC should've had rules for their auctions like this YEARS ago. Can't believe they waited this wrong to final level out the playing field and prevent companies from squatting on spectrum. Hate to say it, but considering how expensive and limited spectrum is, I honestly woudn't be surprised if in the next 10-20 years, tv broadcasting companies will sell their spectrum for OTA tv and radio spectrum just because how valuable and precious spectrum has become.
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    AT&T knows T-Mobile is eating its lunch, and it's just whining. Boo hoo.
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    AT&T knows T-Mobile is eating its lunch, and it's just whining. Boo hoo.
    Exactly... Its finally that cold day in hell when T-MOBILE is finallly a THREAT to someone Bahaha
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    Quote Originally Posted by sierrajinx9 View Post
    Exactly... Its finally that cold day in hell when T-MOBILE is finallly a THREAT to someone Bahaha
    Actually, it's been a cold year. T-Mobile converts 4 times as many AT&T subscribers to come to T-Mobile as AT&T does the other way around. And AT&T has been hitting T-Mobile for some time, showing that for some time now, AT&T has considered T-Mobile a threat.

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