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  1. garciajbj's Avatar
    From what I've been reading, it seems that the reason I can't disable Sense and run stock Android on the Incredible is because a lot of the graphics and framework for Android 2.1 are missing on the device. With this in mind, does anyone know if the Incredible would even be physically able to be updated to 2.2 when it comes out? It seems kind of ridiculous to think that HTC would make such an "Incredible" device, only to have it crippled in that manner. Can anyone shed some light on this?
    05-16-2010 06:20 PM
  2. TDAY#AC's Avatar
    It will just take us longer to get because HTC will have to put sense with it. I'm sure we will be able to upgrade eventually. Probably not on release day though. At least that's how I understand it.
    05-16-2010 07:06 PM
  3. krelvinaz's Avatar
    Shed light on what?

    If HTC is doing the upgrade, missing parts would mean nothing since whatever is needed would come with the upgrade Rom. It would make no difference if the current version is missing something.

    I don't think HTC sees the phone as crippled but rather enhanced with Sense UI.
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    05-16-2010 07:17 PM
  4. howarmat's Avatar
    Shed light on what?

    If HTC is doing the upgrade, missing parts would mean nothing since whatever is needed would come with the upgrade Rom. It would make no difference if the current version is missing something.

    I don't think HTC sees the phone as crippled but rather enhanced with Sense UI.
    enhanced for sure! i love sense
    05-16-2010 07:29 PM
  5. garciajbj's Avatar
    Shed light on what?

    If HTC is doing the upgrade, missing parts would mean nothing since whatever is needed would come with the upgrade Rom. It would make no difference if the current version is missing something.

    I don't think HTC sees the phone as crippled but rather enhanced with Sense UI.
    Crippled would be the wrong word to describe the phone, I suppose. In fact, I almost prefer the fact that the unnecessary framework was taken out, allowing Sense to really seamlessly run in conjunction with Android. I just assumed that missing framework would mean no update capability, but since that issue has been resolved, I feel much better about the subject. Thank you for all of the replies. This helps me out a lot, as I am debating whether or not to make the switch to Verizon and purchase an Incredible.
    05-16-2010 07:44 PM
  6. TDAY#AC's Avatar
    Do it. This phone rocks.
    05-16-2010 07:54 PM
  7. TreyDaPrince's Avatar
    All Sense enabled phones are usually the last to get an update because as someone said HTC has to put Sense on top of Android. Historically it takes a long time to do this but I do see the wait time dwindlind down seeing how Android is bigger than ever and has a bigger consumer base. But don't be upset if your waiting a year to get 2.2. They made get you by with a minor update let's say a 2.1.1, but not 2.2. Hero owners have been waiting for a year and half for an update. They've been stuck on 1.5 since the beginning. 1.6, 2.0, and 2.1 have been released since then. So pretty much, all I can say is be prepared to wait.
    05-16-2010 09:30 PM
  8. VKitty's Avatar
    Hero owners have been waiting for a year and half for an update. They've been stuck on 1.5 since the beginning. 1.6, 2.0, and 2.1 have been released since then. So pretty much, all I can say is be prepared to wait.

    At this point, is the Hero even going to get an update?
    05-16-2010 10:22 PM
  9. Qazme's Avatar
    Well the update will only take awhile if they actually change whatever they plug into between 2.1 and 2.2, then Verizon ok'ing it and them pushing it out.
    05-16-2010 10:29 PM
  10. Kyle Gibb's Avatar
    At this point, is the Hero even going to get an update?
    I think there has been, in general, a lot of issues getting 1.5/6 up to 2.0/1. In the US, the Moto Droid is the only phone without 2.1 (i.e. N1, Incredible, EVO all came with 2.1 stock) to have been updated to 2.1 yet (but the Droid Eris is getting it now). So yes, Sense does take a bit more work to update than stock Android, but personally I would say the trade off is worth it. However it would be really nice of HTC to let people quickly and easily switch back and forth between Sense and Stock (perhaps with a restart?) =]
    05-16-2010 10:48 PM
  11. forumsid987's Avatar
    All Sense enabled phones are usually the last to get an update because as someone said HTC has to put Sense on top of Android. Historically it takes a long time to do this but I do see the wait time dwindlind down seeing how Android is bigger than ever and has a bigger consumer base. But don't be upset if your waiting a year to get 2.2. They made get you by with a minor update let's say a 2.1.1, but not 2.2. Hero owners have been waiting for a year and half for an update. They've been stuck on 1.5 since the beginning. 1.6, 2.0, and 2.1 have been released since then. So pretty much, all I can say is be prepared to wait.
    HTC never released a 2.0 device and had it upgraded to 2.1. That would be the only way to gauge how long it takes to get an upgrade to Froyo.
    05-16-2010 11:04 PM
  12. Roy Aguilera's Avatar
    The eris has not waited a year. We should get some more info after the 2.2 unveiling.
    05-16-2010 11:14 PM
  13. newdroidnewb's Avatar
    Based on nothing but my opinion I don't think it will take that much longer to get 2.2 on sense. It was only a couple months after the Droid got 2.1 that the Eris got 2.1 and that was going from 1.5 to 2.1. As already stated there hasn't been a sense phone to go from 2.0 to 2.1 to compare equally but still the Eris wasn't that far behind the Droid.

    Also with the Evo and Inc. both running sense I would think HTC will be on top of 2.2 once it gets released.

    So yeah, we'll probably have to wait a little while longer, but I wouldn't count on it being a long time.
    05-17-2010 12:02 AM
  14. Kyle Gibb's Avatar
    @newdroidnewb

    Great point. The EVO and the Inc basically have the same internal hardware and software. Both are on the same 1Ghz Snapdraggon, both have same resolution screen, both on 2.1 now, both are CDMA (with EVO adding in WiMax). I would bet both phones are updated by HTC fairly quickly as they are the flagship Android phones in the US for the foreseeable future.

    I want my 450% speed boost and full flash!
    05-17-2010 12:33 AM
  15. Qazme's Avatar
    @newdroidnewb
    I want my 450% speed boost and full flash!
    I'll believe that when I see it. And as far as full flash goes, I'm not too sure if I want it now.....I haven't had any issues on flash sites with the setup I got now and have actually grown to prefer it.
    05-17-2010 07:38 AM
  16. Kyle Gibb's Avatar
    I'll believe that when I see it. And as far as full flash goes, I'm not too sure if I want it now.....I haven't had any issues on flash sites with the setup I got now and have actually grown to prefer it.
    I think the most important thing about getting full Flash on Android and the Inc specifically would be the possibility of a native Hulu app for Android. And if Hulu never gets around to it, I am sure there will be tons of apps/hacks/workarounds once Flash gets up and running.

    Especially on that glorious 4.3 inch screen on the Evo, I think alot of people would love streaming some Hulu goodness straight to their phone. It also helps make up for the lack of an iTunes-like store for video.
    05-17-2010 07:44 AM
  17. Qazme's Avatar
    I think the most important thing about getting full Flash on Android and the Inc specifically would be the possibility of a native Hulu app for Android. And if Hulu never gets around to it, I am sure there will be tons of apps/hacks/workarounds once Flash gets up and running.

    Especially on that glorious 4.3 inch screen on the Evo, I think alot of people would love streaming some Hulu goodness straight to their phone. It also helps make up for the lack of an iTunes-like store for video.
    You do realize hulu blocks mobile devices right? Flash has nothing to do with it. The only way we would get a working hulu app would be if hulu approved it, if they did then we could watch now.

    Hulu may be blocking mobile browsers. // Current

    For instance they are blocking skyfire now from transcoding the site, which puts no more strain on their site than someone watching the video. So don't get hyped up about options you may not have.

    As far as hulu goes personally, I quit using that site about a year ago, but I have a media center pc with orb, I would rather have a slingbox setup. Record what I want to watch and access it across the internet. Not as easy as hulu because you actually have to set stuff up, but I like having the option to fast foward through commercials myself, and have access to all my files.
    05-17-2010 07:48 AM
  18. Kyle Gibb's Avatar
    You do realize hulu blocks mobile devices right? Flash has nothing to do with it. The only way we would get a working hulu app would be if hulu approved it, if they did then we could watch now.
    This is true, but having flash on Android would remove the technical barrier from using Hulu on Android as they use Flash for their videos. What I am saying is that having full native Flash would allow Hulu to make a native app, should they desire. Right now, they would have to recode their stuff in h.264 or something.

    Plus, maybe I want to watch some homestarrunner.com in my spare time
    05-17-2010 08:15 AM
  19. tony bag o donuts's Avatar
    enhanced for sure! i love sense
    I didn't like stock android on the droid until I played with sense.
    Definitely worth it IMHO.
    05-17-2010 08:41 AM
  20. Qazme's Avatar
    This is true, but having flash on Android would remove the technical barrier from using Hulu on Android as they use Flash for their videos. What I am saying is that having full native Flash would allow Hulu to make a native app, should they desire. Right now, they would have to recode their stuff in h.264 or something.

    Plus, maybe I want to watch some homestarrunner.com in my spare time
    Most flash video's are h.264 with flash wrappers anyways. Like youtube

    I think it would be awesome to access these things, it all boils down to how well it actually runs on the phone. I'm figuring at least as twice as well as flashlite, and praying for totally smooth but who knows.

    I want flash that doesn't crash my phone too, so maybe they have done some really extensive testing on it as well. Guess we will see at I/O this week.
    05-17-2010 12:10 PM
  21. RayStinkle's Avatar
    As long as there is the option to turn flash on or off, I don't see why someone wouldn't want flash at least as an option to use when you want to.
    05-17-2010 12:39 PM
  22. Kyle Gibb's Avatar
    Most flash video's are h.264 with flash wrappers anyways. Like youtube

    I think it would be awesome to access these things, it all boils down to how well it actually runs on the phone. I'm figuring at least as twice as well as flashlite, and praying for totally smooth but who knows.

    I want flash that doesn't crash my phone too, so maybe they have done some really extensive testing on it as well. Guess we will see at I/O this week.
    I think both Google and Adobe are working as hard as they can to get Flash running great on Froyo. Why?
    Google: Clear advantage for Android over iPhone OS, showcase power and openness/flexibility of Android vs. iPhone OS
    Adobe: The above puts pressure on Apple to allow Flash compatibility, provides great PR if Flash run fast and securely on Android while Apple says both are impossible.

    Google is throwing some dev party thingy this week as I recall and I think they are gonna show of Flash and everyone is gonna be amazed. Fingers crossed
    05-17-2010 12:40 PM
  23. Qazme's Avatar
    Man I hope everyone will be amazed. Google is all about open standards, but remember they are also pushing for HTML5 standardization which I personally hope happens soon, adobe isn't too wild about it though I would imagine. If we had HTML5 now then flash wouldn't even matter anymore. Which that is exactly what Apple is hoping for, but as of right now I want flash until HTML5 becomes wide spread. You can as of now opt into the youtube HTML5 beta but you have to use chrome or Firefox with the chrome frame plug, I started using chrome for it, and I'm very impressed with the limited to no buffering time and any time fast forward before the full video is downloaded. It's going to be a good year for smart phones
    05-17-2010 02:05 PM
  24. RBasil's Avatar
    Google is throwing some dev party thingy this week as I recall and I think they are gonna show of Flash and everyone is gonna be amazed. Fingers crossed
    Google I/O 2010
    05-17-2010 03:31 PM
  25. zcoleman's Avatar
    Do we have a 2.2 Froyo waiting room in this forum yet? What do you think the turn around time will be for HTC to produce 2.2 with HTC Sense?
    05-20-2010 03:54 PM
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