I will **never*** buy another Samsung
Sorry for what is admittedly a rant, but I'm really at the end of my rope.
Out of the blue, and for the second time, Windows just stopped recognizing my phone. Not as a phone, not as storage, not as anything. No da-ding when I connect it, nothing. I look in the device manager, and it's sitting there as an unknown USB device. Nice.
So, I proceed to remove any trace of the horrible drivers from the Windows registry, and find it littered with literally upwards of 600 keys who's permissions and/or ownership is screwed up, making them inaccessible. I had to jump through this complicated and repetitive series of settings to finally claim ownership of the keys so I could then successfully delete them. I even set up some macros to automate the task (as much as possible), but it still took a good 5 hours of sitting here, removing 600 some odd keys, one by one.
Why... on earth... should Samsung have to write upwards of 600 keys to the registry? No reason other than the fact that they are the most incompetent, shoddy programmers on the face of the planet.
Never again will I buy another Samsung product. Ever.
- 04-11-2011, 10:46 PM #2
- 04-11-2011, 10:51 PM #3
- 04-12-2011, 07:25 AM #4
I agree. This phone is a total debacle. I'm pretty happy with it right now, but it sure took a lot of work to make things right. Going forward, I'll be reluctant to touch anything from Samsung, or anything that Verizon has gotten their grubby little hands into.
- 04-12-2011, 07:31 AM #5
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I don't mind the phone so much after I rooted it and got Froyo. It's a really nice piece of hardware. Great specs and slim. People drool over the Super AMOLED screen. My reluctance is with Verizon. They've done a lot lately to make it easier to switch carriers. Beyond the delay of the ota update they've gotten rid of annual upgrades, 1-year contracts, and last but not least, BING!
- 04-12-2011, 07:52 AM #6
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I'm with the OP, after countless hours of flashing ROMS and testing out kernels etc, I still can't get my phone's bluetooth to successfully work with my vehicle's, which is brand new. I also just found out the the Fascinate's bluetooth isn't compatible with my Motorola Xoom, which is also brand new. I'm done with Samsung, what a disgrace of a company.
I actually like the phone, hardware-wise - it's a good size, weight, it's sturdy enough. It's just the software where it completely falls apart.
I had been using EB01, but reluctantly flashed back to DL09 to regain acceptable battery life. Went through all the steps to get the phone set up the way I like it, everything was good and then out of the blue, connected it to the computer and it refused to be recognized. That kicked off, as I said, easily 5 hours of digging through the registry to remove the drivers.
Unfortunately, this phone has really good hardware that's been totally ruined by lousy software. I just don't see these types of problems from other manufacturers. I don't care what Samsung might have out at the end of my 2 year contract, there's just no way I'll buy another.
- 04-12-2011, 09:20 AM #8
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- 04-12-2011, 10:33 AM #12Mr Fix-It
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I'll dump my defacto argument here. Granted you have to be ok with rooting/ROM'ing a phone but what else is there besides hardware? The dev community has given us masterpieces from messes, usable sensible software when the manufacturers(pretty much all of them) gave us useless bloated garbage. I've played with Blur, Sense, and TouchWiz and quite frankly they all suck. I prefer the stock android experience and since I can't get that I change my launcher. Since most manufacturers seemingly underclock the cpu's I load a new kernel and change the speed.
My point being that the hardware is our only limitation. The dev community for Android phones isn't going anywhere and seems to get better at their "job" by the day. I know that regardless of what phone I buy I'm going to wind up with a custom ROM on it so I can squeeze every bit of juice, fun, and enjoyment I can out of the phone. No manufacturer has been able to stop that from happening yet. When they do, that's when I'll take your stance on condemning them.
This time, after cleaning out the registry, I made a backup of the entire registry that I can restore if/when it screws up again, instead of the insane task of clearing out the registry manually. It's just that none of this should be necessary and it's all due to incompetent programmers and/or management.
- 04-12-2011, 10:50 AM #14
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- AOSP, & stock.
@Chris3D.....awesome. I am considering an iphone 5. I would only consider a nexus with pure google otherwise. I didn't care for the iphine 3 model. If the 5 model doesn't have led notification, I may just go nexus. I admit, if Motorola made the nexus 3, that would persuade me more. Off topic, samsung has it nailed when it comes to TVs.
So that's why I said I won't buy another Samsung - because they can't develop the software on their own, and their lack of knowledge/experience/interest/whatever makes their phones unattractive for independent developers to do so themselves. I just don't see these issues from other manufacturers.
- 04-12-2011, 11:04 AM #16
the galaxy S line may be the single biggest selling android handset, so that helps attract developer interest. also, given that samsung has already put out the gingerbread update for euro S phones, among other things, it is abundantly clear that the froyo issue is a verizon thing (and I'm guessing it is particularly a bing thing)
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- 04-12-2011, 04:10 PM #20
- 24 Posts
- Com Rom 1.2 Voodoo
It's the issue between SamsungUSA and US carriers. Froyo has been pushed out a while ago to the euro galaxy s phones. Its the greedy/lazy/whatever the issue is with the US side of things. Personally I love the hardware and having 2.2 on my phone makes it much better. The Fascinate has and was the last one to be released so it only fits in the minds of Verizon to keep it up regarding the update.
- 04-12-2011, 04:29 PM #21
Everyone is getting so hung up on a bloated firmware update and forgetting that the Fascinate is truly an incredible piece of hardware. If you need froyo that bad then you already have options.
I do understand letting the companies involved know how that makes you feel about future samsung purchases. But it seems that there are people who really are not enjoying their device. Don't let the man get you down
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- 04-12-2011, 04:56 PM #22
- 11 Posts
Verizon and Samsung already have our money. They pretty much don't care about our complaints. Also the Fascinate user base is so small compared to other phones. If all of us switched providers and never bought their products it wouldn't even make a dent. Verizon and Samsung are huge corporations.
Also it would be almost impossible not to buy a Samsung product because almost every high tech device has Samsung hardware.
- 04-12-2011, 11:21 PM #23
I wouldn't say they don't care. I think there is a bigger battle going on behind the scenes. We all know that Verizon has Apple like control issues and is flexing that power over the manufacturers to make sure Verizon's interests are priority and to make sure the manufacturers know who calls the shots. Plus we all know that it's about the behind the scene deals.
Verizon has came across as a company that rigorously tests its updates though. They tend to always be last with releasing them.
The original Droid went through the same issues when it came out
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- 04-13-2011, 09:02 AM #24
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- 04-13-2011, 09:18 AM #25
I like others here like my Fascinate. Have eb01 debloated installed and it is all I could ask for. I am not a bells and whistles person. I want a reliable phone on a reliable network for making calls, messaging and some web browsing. Run a traffic app and weather app but that is about the extent of additional stuff. For me this phone does all I want fast. As for the Verizon issues. I left Verizon to try the other big guy, ATT, what a mistake that was!! Poor voice quality and dropped calls. I do not have these complaints with Verizon. After that experience my wife would leave me if I even suggested going to someone else.