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    Default Less Homescreen options & customizations for Nexus running ICS :(

    I'm wondering if there will be less home screen options for the Nexus running Ice Cream Sandwich.

    For previous versions of Android, when I press and hold the homescreen I'm presented with quite a few options to choose from. I can create Shortcuts, Custom shortcuts, Widgets, Folders, & Wallpapers.
    With ICS Widgets are now added by going to the tab within the app tray. Folders are now added by dragging an icon on the homescreen on top of another icon. Adding wallpapers has not changed.
    Pressing and holding the homescreen in ICS will only give you a menu of Live Wallpapers, Pictures, & Wallpapers. What about shortcuts & custom shortcuts? I didn't see a custom shortcut option in ICS for adding Direct Dial & Direct Messaging to contacts, Custom Bookmarks, Custom Shortcuts of features within apps, etc.

    Adding Widgets to the homescreen is one thing, but not being able to add custom shortcuts is something totally different. For instance I have a Bookmark app that will allow me to add it's Widget to the homescreen. The Widget will display all Bookmarks, but if f I choose a Custom shortcut for the same app, I can choose to add a particular bookmark or certain folders containing bookmarks to the homescreen.
    There are quite a few apps I have where as the Shortcut features are not the same as the Widget of that same app.
    I don't see this as an option based on the videos of Ice Cream Sandwich I've seen thus far.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdf3 View Post

    For previous versions of Android, when I press and hold the homescreen I'm presented with quite a few options to choose from. I can create Shortcuts, Custom shortcuts, Widgets, Folders, & Wallpapers.
    You've been using ADW too much. "Custom shortcuts" have never been a part of stock Android. And you can still add contacts to the home screen, though I haven't used it myself, so I don't know how that works.

    And there won't be less options. Folders work differently, in that you don't create the folder before-hand and start dumping stuff into it, but rather just pile icons on top of each other. Widgets have their own tab in the app drawer now.
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    OK. Thanks. Guess I've gotten used to the overlays on Android, and not pure Android.

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    This is something I think that will surprise a lot of GN owners. There isn't much and a lot of manufacture ui's and launchers are very useful in this aspect.

    I bet we will see a lot of "why did they remove X" threads once the device is out from people not realizing it was a function of the skin they claim to hate so much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CynicX View Post
    This is something I think that will surprise a lot of GN owners. There isn't much and a lot of manufacture ui's and launchers are very useful in this aspect.

    I bet we will see a lot of "why did they remove X" threads once the device is out from people not realizing it was a function of the skin they claim to hate so much.
    Yep, folks tend to overlook a lot of genuine pluses from the manufacturers' skins (like "new" panorama camera mode in ICS, that's been on Moto's and Samsung's for a while). Hopefully "pure" Android has better performance, but functionality wise a lot seems to be catch-up to the 3rd party skins/launchers.
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    Quote Originally Posted by CynicX View Post
    This is something I think that will surprise a lot of GN owners. There isn't much and a lot of manufacture ui's and launchers are very useful in this aspect.

    I bet we will see a lot of "why did they remove X" threads once the device is out from people not realizing it was a function of the skin they claim to hate so much.
    It is the only thing that concerns me about the GNex
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    Quote Originally Posted by exempli_gratia View Post
    Yep, folks tend to overlook a lot of genuine pluses from the manufacturers' skins (like "new" panorama camera mode in ICS, that's been on Moto's and Samsung's for a while). Hopefully "pure" Android has better performance, but functionality wise a lot seems to be catch-up to the 3rd party skins/launchers.
    You're right. Some of the new features have been around for a while in various apps and overlays.

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    I'm now able to add navigation shortcuts on my home screen. Not sure how I will be able to do that with Ice Cream Sandwich. I tried adding a shortcut from Google Maps, but didn't find any options for that feature. Therefore, without being able to press and hold the home screen for additional options, I may end up loosing that feature.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cdf3 View Post
    I'm now able to add navigation shortcuts on my home screen. Not sure how I will be able to do that with Ice Cream Sandwich. I tried adding a shortcut from Google Maps, but didn't find any options for that feature. Therefore, without being able to press and hold the home screen for additional options, I may end up loosing that feature.

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    You can execute all of the home screen additions (previously accessible via home screen long press) from the Widgets section. See below. He blows by it fast , so you might need to pause to see all the shortcut options from the Widget section of the app drawer...


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    Quote Originally Posted by dsignori View Post
    You can execute all of the home screen additions (previously accessible via home screen long press) from the Widgets section. See below. He blows by it fast , so you might need to pause to see all the shortcut options from the Widget section of the app drawer...


    I pulled these from the ICS emulator:



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    I use ADW on my OG Droid and I know I will miss the use of themed Icons... and screen transition effects....but....at least I want to start off with the basic system not one that comes with a cartoon like UI that cannot be uninstalled. This gives me the ability to use another launcher if I choose to and revert back to stock if I want to.

    I am sure the themer developers will be all over ICS and we will see their enhancements to it.
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    Default Re: Less Homescreen options & customizations for Nexus running IC

    It looks like you can do a lot of the same things, just in a different way. I like ICS in the way it adds some things I like about launchers & overlays but, it's still pure android. There have been always specific things I wanted out of third-party launchers without wanted the whole launcher.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WaistDownUnder View Post
    I pulled these from the ICS emulator:



    Thanks. It seems to be grouped with the Widgets.

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    Quote Originally Posted by exempli_gratia View Post
    Yep, folks tend to overlook a lot of genuine pluses from the manufacturers' skins (like "new" panorama camera mode in ICS, that's been on Moto's and Samsung's for a while). Hopefully "pure" Android has better performance, but functionality wise a lot seems to be catch-up to the 3rd party skins/launchers.
    I personally think most of the people who say they hate OEM skins do so because someone told them they should.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VZWRocks View Post
    I personally think most of the people who say they hate OEM skins do so because someone told them they should.
    I don't agree. Most people don't even know the difference. The people who do know the difference and, say they don't like OEM skins, really don't like them. Your assumption is way off, extremely way off IMO.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't hate OEM skins, they're are some things I like about them but, they take over too much.
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    Quote Originally Posted by qnet View Post
    I don't agree. Most people don't even know the difference. The people who do know the difference and, say they don't like OEM skins, really don't like them. Your assumption is way off, extremely way off IMO.

    Don't get me wrong, I don't hate OEM skins, they're are some things I like about them but, they take over too much.
    Regular consumers don't but those who frequent sites like this surely do, and I wasn't talking about you specifically.

    People read this site and and other and are told such things as "motoblur sucks" and they believe it even before trying it. They see lag where none exists because they are told that it lags. How many of us have even USED stock Android since the original Droid? (and I don't mean playing with the Nexus S in the store, or custom roms made from the AOSP). I mean actually used stock android on a device that was designed for and optimized to use it? Watching videos on YouTube doesn't count either.
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    I'm genuinely wondering: why do people hate oem skins in the first place? Is this the cool new hivemind mentality or are there really that many people who have tried a vanilla device and liked it enough to vow off skins forever? I know some like to blame skins for lag, but we're getting to a point where these phones' power outnumbers the amount of lag these skins can weigh it down with.

    My rezound has none. No lag. I mean...despite the 0.1 second lag my new buddy in the other thread gets with his, this phone has been buttery smooth and everything htc sense brings is actually pretty awesome. The widgets, the lockscreen, the calender, etc.

    I can understand some people using sense or touchwiz on their phone for the past year or 2 and getting sick of them, but thinking a bare bones vanilla UI is better? Hmm...i like the way the nexus flows but there's really nothing special about it unless you're going in it hating an alternative
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    Quote Originally Posted by VZWRocks View Post
    Regular consumers don't but those who frequent sites like this surely do, and I wasn't talking about you specifically.

    People read this site and and other and are told such things as "motoblur sucks" and they believe it even before trying it. They see lag where none exists because they are told that it lags. How many of us have even USED stock Android since the original Droid? (and I don't mean playing with the Nexus S in the store, or custom roms made from the AOSP). I mean actually used stock android on a device that was designed for and optimized to use it? Watching videos on YouTube doesn't count either.
    Fair enough, it just seems like your making a lot of assumptions and sweeping generations. I had a long response typed up but realized, it's not really worth getting into a back and forth debate about, not over a phone. I know what I want and, will be glad when this phone is released so, we can all talk about how cool it is or, how it may suck ( I know there will be a few).
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_****_splinters View Post
    I'm genuinely wondering: why do people hate oem skins in the first place? Is this the cool new hivemind mentality or are there really that many people who have tried a vanilla device and liked it enough to vow off skins forever? I know some like to blame skins for lag, but we're getting to a point where these phones' power outnumbers the amount of lag these skins can weigh it down with.

    My rezound has none. No lag. I mean...despite the 0.1 second lag my new buddy in the other thread gets with his, this phone has been buttery smooth and everything htc sense brings is actually pretty awesome. The widgets, the lockscreen, the calender, etc.

    I can understand some people using sense or touchwiz on their phone for the past year or 2 and getting sick of them, but thinking a bare bones vanilla UI is better? Hmm...i like the way the nexus flows but there's really nothing special about it unless you're going in it hating an alternative
    I can only speak for myself but, it's not because of lag that I don't want it. The HTC sense looks nice on the rezound from what I've seen. What I don't like is the way it takes over the whole system. There were things I liked about Gingerbread that you can't even use anymore. This is something I noticed when I had the Bionic.

    There are some things I like about the Ui's but only certain things and, I wish I could isolate them but, you can't without rooting I guess. This is just my personal preference and, it comes from my experience with the Nexus one and, the Nexus S. I like using all the Google services and, from my experience with the Mytouch 4G; the phones with OEM skins don't perform as well with these services.

    For example, if I added a contact on my Mytouch, it wouldn't always sync with my Google account. Another example is on the Bionic, the lowest email checking interval you could set was 15 min, on Android 2.3 (which is installed on the Bionic) you can set the interval as low as 5 min. It's like they're trying to make it too much like the iphone. These may not mean a lot to some but, for me it did. I use my phone for business and, it's nice to have these things working properly and the way I want.

    I know some of these things may have improved but, I still prefer the stock Android experience. There are also a lot of things I see in ICS that I think I will really like.
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    I appreciate you trying to explain it qnet.I don't quite understand the email interval thing. You must be using something other then the Gmail app for email right? Because that's push. And every android phone I've ever had has synced contacts and calender events with my Google account, so I'm not sure what you mean about the other.

    I think if a major supplier like HTC listened to their customers and said "we want to give you the best android experience as we can with sense and we work hard to differentiate ourselves from others. But if for any reason there's something you don't like, you can disable a specific app or go back to vanilla completely".

    This would be huge. And it only takes one manufacturer to start this as a trend. Imagine booting up your new phone and upon setup being greeted with that message saying something like "we would love it if you tried sense, click here for sense or here for vanilla".

    I think only a minority really care, but for those, this would be a great business strategy to get customers
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    Quote Originally Posted by VZWRocks View Post
    I personally think most of the people who say they hate OEM skins do so because someone told them they should.
    I agree. When I first got my Galaxy Tab 10.1 it came with stock Honeycomb. It had horrible typing lag in the browser, along with some other bugs. Samsung released a Touchwiz update. People posted that the Touchwiz update would mess things up, and that we should stick to stock. The new update actually made it run better. The browser lag was gone, and a few other perks were added.
    I have to make it a point to try a device out myself, and not rely solely on what I read in the forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by i_****_splinters View Post
    I appreciate you trying to explain it qnet.I don't quite understand the email interval thing. You must be using something other then the Gmail app for email right? Because that's push. And every android phone I've ever had has synced contacts and calender events with my Google account, so I'm not sure what you mean about the other.

    I think if a major supplier like HTC listened to their customers and said "we want to give you the best android experience as we can with sense and we work hard to differentiate ourselves from others. But if for any reason there's something you don't like, you can disable a specific app or go back to vanilla completely".

    This would be huge. And it only takes one manufacturer to start this as a trend. Imagine booting up your new phone and upon setup being greeted with that message saying something like "we would love it if you tried sense, click here for sense or here for vanilla".

    I think only a minority really care, but for those, this would be a great business strategy to get customers
    I use Gmail and, my two business email accounts (one for my website form and one for regular email ). The business email is not push but, in the settings you can check the interval to check every 5 minutes for each email account. When I had the Bionic (with a version of Motoblur installed I assume, whatever it was it's not stock) The max interval you could set was 15 minutes.

    I don't have a issue with the accounts actually working. The problem with syncing ,actually happened with Gmail. It synced but, not all the time or, would do it a day later or, not until I added the same contact online the to my Gmail account. Most of the time it wouldn't sync at all. Like I said, it may be improved. This happend on the Mytouch 4G.

    From my experience with the Nexus S (which I bought after the Mytouch) it seemed to operate & respond much more faster and, of course synced everything flawlessly and quick. It booted up faster also. What I like about my Xoom, it's always the first device to get email and, the Nexus S would be the right after that in seconds.

    Another thing I will like with ICS is the Google voice integration with visual voicemail. they showed this on the presentation but, we don't know for sure how it will work because no one has/can demo the Verizon model yet. I'm hoping we can use it like they showed in the presentation.

    I would love the idea you mentioned and, I agree only a few people would care but, it would make a few thousand nerds happy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by cdf3 View Post
    I agree. When I first got my Galaxy Tab 10.1 it came with stock Honeycomb. It had horrible typing lag in the browser, along with some other bugs. Samsung released a Touchwiz update. People posted that the Touchwiz update would mess things up, and that we should stick to stock. The new update actually made it run better. The browser lag was gone, and a few other perks were added.
    I have to make it a point to try a device out myself, and not rely solely on what I read in the forums.

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    I had a sort of similar experience. A lot of people - on the forums - were hating the Nexus S because of the low amount of storage and, the specs. Some online tech reviews praised the Myrouch 4G over it. It wasn't until I tried it myself that I seen the difference and, I liked the Nexus S better for what I needed. This is why I don't care about the specs as much on the Galaxy Nexus, I have a feeling it will really work for what I want to do and then some.

    One thing I agree with VZWRocks about is, you can't always go by others opinions on forums, you got to try it for yourself.
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    Quote Originally Posted by i_****_splinters View Post
    I think if a major supplier like HTC listened to their customers and said "we want to give you the best android experience as we can with sense and we work hard to differentiate ourselves from others. But if for any reason there's something you don't like, you can disable a specific app or go back to vanilla completely".
    Which would create a support nightmare for them. While there is no such thing as completely standardized on Android the more options like that that they give the more things they have to test before the phone is released and with each update and the harder it is to troubleshoot issues when customers call into support.

    This would be huge. And it only takes one manufacturer to start this as a trend. Imagine booting up your new phone and upon setup being greeted with that message saying something like "we would love it if you tried sense, click here for sense or here for vanilla".
    The point of skins/frameworks is to give each manufacturer their own unique identity and style, and to do what you suggest would not only confuse customers but it as stated above would cause a lot of issues for support.

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    I can only speak for myself but, it's not because of lag that I don't want it. The HTC sense looks nice on the rezound from what I've seen. What I don't like is the way it takes over the whole system. There were things I liked about Gingerbread that you can't even use anymore. This is something I noticed when I had the Bionic.
    In what way? Can you give us some examples?

    For example, if I added a contact on my Mytouch, it wouldn't always sync with my Google account. Another example is on the Bionic, the lowest email checking interval you could set was 15 min, on Android 2.3 (which is installed on the Bionic) you can set the interval as low as 5 min. It's like they're trying to make it too much like the iphone. These may not mean a lot to some but, for me it did. I use my phone for business and, it's nice to have these things working properly and the way I want.
    HTC Sense adds new contacts to the phone contacts database by default. It's always been that way as far as I know (Motoblur is the same way). If you want your contacts added to a specific gmail contact database you can do it via (on the Rezound):

    Apps > People > Menu > New Contact > and change "phone" to the name of the gmail account you want to use and then Save it.

    Once you do this once new contacts SHOULD save to that database, bur regardless the drop down menu is always there and you can make sure that you add it to the correct account when you make a contact.

    I'm pretty sure HTC does it this way because they know that most people getting Sense phones will import their old contacts to the phone via backup assistant or restoring from a SIM card (GSM) and they don't want to create two databases and confuse the customer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by VZWRocks View Post

    Apps > People > Menu > New Contact > and change "phone" to the name of the gmail account you want to use and then Save it.

    I'm pretty sure HTC does it this way because they know that most people getting Sense phones will import their old contacts to the phone via backup assistant or restoring from a SIM card (GSM) and they don't want to create two databases and confuse the customer.
    Thank you, I just tried it on my MyTouch. It's not exactly like you said but, close enough, I understand what you are trying to say and, what I was doing wrong now. I didn't specify Google as the contact type vs. T-mobile.

    The thing with pure Android is, there are no extra steps, you just add the contact and, it syncs. It's not that big of a deal now that I realize what I was doing wrong.
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