[jroc]

I will also add...

What Google calls a Nexus for retail purposes and and whats listed for development....combine that and the CDMA Nexus is still and always gonna be a Nexus. App developers is never listed, but a Nexus is a development phone if you want a device for that purpose.

We kinda got away from what they advertize to the general public. Cant forget that.

Like Ry mentioned a few pages back.....does this mean the Nexus One is no longer a Nexus? Or that the ADP 1 and 2 are no longer development phones?

So no one thinks it's weird that the GSM Nexus is sold by Google and actually says Google on the phone, yet the CDMA versions aren't sold by Google and have carrier branding instead of Google's?

That isn't odd to anyone besides me? Lol erm ok.

CDMA issues, licenses is the reason....I think this has been explained already..... even by a couple of Google folks, folks that work at Google, on Android. Jean-Baptiste Queru and Dan Morrill explained this aready.

Yea...this is gonna be one of those agree to disagree moments...lol.

[Ry]

Yea...this is gonna be one of those agree to disagree moments...lol.

This is one of those "one group is totally right, while the other group is totally wrong" -moments.

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[jroc]

Just realized something...the XOOM is ....never...listed.....as ....or ...advertized as....a Nexus....tablet.

Yet its there listed as a supported device in AOSP.

The ADP One and Two....never listed as Nexus devices. But are listed as development phones.

S E M A N T I C S.......

[Ry]

I'm sure the group that's totally right is the group of posters that don't use a Nexus, but come in here to stir the pot. There's only two groups here. Outside trolls, and Nexus users who want to argue about whose expectations were/are more realistic. People are trying to bring facts into it, but all of these arguments are about expectations.

Cool. Let's all call people trolls because opinions differ.

You don't have to own a Nexus to know what a Nexus phone is.

"People are trying to bring in facts." lol.

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[Ry]

If you have no real reason to be in an internet forum, but go there simply to argue your different opinion over opinions of the rightful inhabitants of the group, what are you generally called?

And Ry? Don't use quotations marks unless you get the quote correct.

lol.

Everyone that doesn't have a Nexus - stop posting here. Apparently we're not allowed to have opinions and post facts.

I know that the Galaxy Nexus for Verizon is real Nexus device.

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[Droid800]

lol.

Everyone that doesn't have a Nexus - stop posting here. Apparently we're not allowed to have opinions and post facts.

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More like-we don't care about them, especially since more than a few of you seem hell bent on tearing down the Nexus every chance you get.

[Paul627g]

I'll just quote the following for all to ponder... Those in question can make up their own minds on what could happen if any of the following continues...

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[jaymoon]

I think we've become a little spoiled when it comes to the definition of "Nexus". It's great to term a phone with every ideal feature of a power user, but that's just not it.

Would you consider a Nexus One a Nexus phone? I would, regardless of what current version of Android it's running.

A Nexus phone is simply one with the "Google Experience". Meaning AOSP (nevermind which version), and no additional carrier addons.

But then LG goes along and releases a vanilla Android phone, wouldn't that be considered a "Nexus"? Not if it doesn't have Google's blessing. "Nexus" is after all, just marketing.

These Nexus phones are aimed at developers and those who like to tinker. I'm really shocked that people expect Google to release the "nightly" updates to their Nexus phone. They use their reference Nexus phone for the next build, release the code, and then it's up to the one that maintains updates on your phone to push them out ...whether that be a carrier, the phone manufacturer, or simply developers.

If you want 4.0.4 on the Nexus S, go build it, and flash away. Nobody is stopping you. Who seriously wants cutting edge, only to wait a year later for it to be "officially" released.

[habanophile]

Nexus=Core, or Center.

Clearly it is a "Nexus" because it happens to be at the core, or center of the Android Universe by being the best, most well rounded phone on the market currently.

[pauliphone5]

I think we've become a little spoiled when it comes to the definition of "Nexus". It's great to term a phone with every ideal feature of a power user, but that's just not it.

Would you consider a Nexus One a Nexus phone? I would, regardless of what current version of Android it's running.

A Nexus phone is simply one with the "Google Experience". Meaning AOSP (nevermind which version), and no additional carrier addons.

Is that Google's definition of the Nexus? If not, then the above is simply your opinion and personal definition of what you'd like a Nexus phone to be.

But then LG goes along and releases a vanilla Android phone, wouldn't that be considered a "Nexus"? Not if it doesn't have Google's blessing. "Nexus" is after all, just marketing.

Only if Google branded that phone as being a Nexus. The Motorola Xoom was vanilla Honeycomb, but it was never branded a Nexus device.

[Droid800]

Is that Google's definition of the Nexus? If not, then the above is simply your opinion and personal definition of what you'd like a Nexus phone to be.

Only if Google branded that phone as being a Nexus. The Motorola Xoom was vanilla Honeycomb, but it was never branded a Nexus device.

And the Xoom was, oddly enough, a Google Experience device. It just didn't have the nexus name attached to it.

[pauliphone5]

And the Xoom was, oddly enough, a Google Experience device. It just didn't have the nexus name attached to it.

That's pretty much what I said.

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[Droid800]

That's pretty much what I said.

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Well, I mean, a device can be stock without being a Google Experience device.

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[moosc]

Also the original droid

And the Xoom was, oddly enough, a Google Experience device. It just didn't have the nexus name attached to it.

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[GimbalLocker]

I think the Verizon Galaxy WAS INTENDED to be a Nexus device...but...Perhaps Andy Rubin, the founder of Android, put it best. Google consciously chose to make Nexus 4 a device without LTE. They did so because, in their own words, they wanted to be free from carrier controls.

[Saiga]

I think the Verizon Galaxy WAS INTENDED to be a Nexus device...but...Perhaps Andy Rubin, the founder of Android, put it best. Google consciously chose to make Nexus 4 a device without LTE. They did so because, in their own words, they wanted to be free from carrier controls.

Way to resurrect a dead thread.

Besides, this debate was put to pasture a long time ago. As everyone should know by now, the Verizon Wireless Galaxy Nexus is indeed a real Nexus. It just doesn't get updates unless you're rooted, it shipped with big and ugly carrier branding, It features carrier apps and carrier modifications - such as the removal of Google Wallet, and Android Central stuck this forum in the "other Samsung devices" section instead of the Google Nexus section.

But besides those things I listed - It's a real Nexus. After all, it's right there in the name. I mean what more proof do you really need? It's a real Nexus, just like all of us Verizon customers wanted, but it helps to ignore all of the things I listed above and don't pay attention to the experience other Nexus devices offer.

[Mellimel22]

Bottom line its not the phone or the fact we have lte. Its vzw fault plain and simple.

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[Jaredshoes]

It bothers me such much that you have to go on a manhunt to find this forum now

[Pollster]

Way to resurrect a dead thread.

Besides, this debate was put to pasture a long time ago. As everyone should know by now, the Verizon Wireless Galaxy Nexus is indeed a real Nexus. It just doesn't get updates unless you're rooted, it shipped with big and ugly carrier branding, It features carrier apps and carrier modifications - such as the removal of Google Wallet, and Android Central stuck this forum in the "other Samsung devices" section instead of the Google Nexus section.

But besides those things I listed - It's a real Nexus. After all, it's right there in the name. I mean what more proof do you really need? It's a real Nexus, just like all of us Verizon customers wanted, but it helps to ignore all of the things I listed above and don't pay attention to the experience other Nexus devices offer.

A more succinct way to put it would be:
Yes it's a real Nexus, but not all Nexi are created equally.

This phone has been over for a long long time. That's why we have to resurrect dead threads, just to talk about it.

[gnr_2]

But besides those things I listed - It's a real Nexus. After all, it's right there in the name. I mean what more proof do you really need? It's a real Nexus, just like all of us Verizon customers wanted, but it helps to ignore all of the things I listed above and don't pay attention to the experience other Nexus devices offer.

When I was doing research on phones, all the reviews of the Galaxy Nexus focused on the "pure Google experience" of the Nexus. Not that I knew WTF that meant, but if I did, and got a GNex from Verizon with all the modifications, I'd feel jipped. It would be like if Ford started selling Prius but removed the hybrid battery, and also put in a Ford radio and that strange drive system they have in the Focus. Yeah, its not a real Prius at that point.

A more succinct way to put it would be:
Yes it's a real Nexus, but not all Nexi are created equally.

But, you could go with the "it is a Nexus, but not all Nexi are created equal" argument by looking at Calphalon and saying well, the Calphalon you get at Target or on Amazon is not the same as you'd get at a department or home goods store. Doesn't make it not Calphalon, just not the same quality.

Though I think the Prius analogy is more suitable to this situation.

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[Pollster]

Though I think the Prius analogy is more suitable to this situation.

The Prius analogy is more accurate if you consider Fast Upgrades to be the Battery of the Nexus Experience. As a developer, I consider Stock Android as the battery, with fast upgrades being the backup camera at best. If a decent pool of devices gets a higher API level than I have, then I may start to agree with you, but it hasn't happened yet.

[Saiga]

The Prius analogy is more accurate if you consider Fast Upgrades to be the Battery of the Nexus Experience. As a developer, I consider Stock Android as the battery, with fast upgrades being the backup camera at best. If a decent pool of devices gets a higher API level than I have, then I may start to agree with you, but it hasn't happened yet.

Don't you have to root to have stock Android on a Verizon Galaxy Nexus? I am pretty sure that my Verizon would be considered a carrier modification. Can't be stock Android when you have carrier modifications and the verizon nexus has a few of them. Unless your definition of stock now includes modifications, which doesn't really work does it? I always thought the word stock meant free of modifications.

But then again, the Verizon Wireless Galaxy Nexus is a device that is all about creating new meanings to old words.

[gnr_2]

The Prius analogy is more accurate if you consider Fast Upgrades to be the Battery of the Nexus Experience. As a developer, I consider Stock Android as the battery, with fast upgrades being the backup camera at best. If a decent pool of devices gets a higher API level than I have, then I may start to agree with you, but it hasn't happened yet.

I think I would consider the hybrid battery to be the equivalent of the "pure android experience". People get a Prius because they want a hybrid (certainly not cause it is cool and stylish). People get the GNex because it isn't supposed to be modified. If the hybrid battery is removed, then it isn't a hybrid, and therefore, not a real Prius. If the carrier made modifications, then it isn't a pure Google product and therefore...

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[Patrick Schroedl]

I think I would consider the hybrid battery to be the equivalent of the "pure android experience". People get a Prius because they want a hybrid (certainly not cause it is cool and stylish). People get the GNex because it isn't supposed to be modified. If the hybrid battery is removed, then it isn't a hybrid, and therefore, not a real Prius. If the carrier made modifications, then it isn't a pure Google product and therefore...

True, but using the hybrid car and battery analogy, one could argue that the battery was not removed (as the Galaxy Nexus is running at the very least a close to stock experience), but rather altered slightly. Perhaps it's a Prius with a slightly smaller battery and reduced range (as Tesla has done with the two versions of the Model S). I would argue that this makes it a different kind of hybrid, but a hybrid nonetheless. Based on that logic, I would accept arguments for the Galaxy Nexus being a Nexus, but just a "different variety" of the Nexus. Perhaps it is alright to be a Nexus device, but just less of one?

Edit: by "pure android experience," are you referring to the "with Google" devices, or Nexus devices? (end edit)

I wanted to point that out. My personal opinion, however, is this:

The Galaxy Nexus runs a close-to-stock version of Android. It does not run TouchWiz, the overlay almost always included by the manufacturer who produced this device. Its updates are not pushed from Google directly and suffer from delays as a result of the Google/Verizon/Samsung interaction process. After comparing the Galaxy Nexus to the current Nexus 4, 7, and 10, as well as the current overall "image" of the Nexus line, I don't think the VZW Galaxy Nexus is a "true" Nexus device.

I do, however, think the GSM Galaxy Nexus is a "true" Nexus device. I don't think many people here are questioning that, but it's important to realize where the distinction lies between them.

[gnr_2]

True, but using the hybrid car and battery analogy, one could argue that the battery was not removed (as the Galaxy Nexus is running at the very least a close to stock experience), but rather altered slightly. Perhaps it's a Prius with a slightly smaller battery and reduced range (as Tesla has done with the two versions of the Model S). I would argue that this makes it a different kind of hybrid, but a hybrid nonetheless. Based on that logic, I would accept arguments for the Galaxy Nexus being a Nexus, but just a "different variety" of the Nexus. Perhaps it is alright to be a Nexus device, but just less of one?

I can accept that logic. As for the "pure Google experience", that's how the reviews described it so I assume it meant completely stock Android with no modifications.

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