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    Quote Originally Posted by smokie11 View Post
    I know that the purpose of a forum is a friendly exchange of ideas and opinions. Can someone who believes that the Verizon Galaxy Nexus is missing something; please tell me exactly what a real Google Galaxy Nexus can do that my Verizon Galaxy Nexus cannot do.

    Something significant, important and worthwhile. Not minutia, something more important then going to About Phone and reading a different version number. Thank you.
    How about having and using Google Wallet out of the box... without having to side-load it and coax it to work on the Verizon version?

    When carriers remove/block features (and Google Wallet is a significant feature/service), that's enough reason for some folks to be upset, IMO. It takes away a feature/experience that Google intended for ALL Nexus users to have and enjoy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ConTejas View Post
    It's because Verizon lost out on millions and millions of dollars each day that did not have the iphone on their shelves. Unfortunately, the Nexus program and Google had very little weight to throw at Verizon in comparison. Hopefully, the sales of the N4, N7, and N10 will change that. I think they're on to something. Obviously, Google does too. We'll see.
    Google owns Motorola..... That's a lot of weight right there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulDroidR2D2 View Post
    Neither the Note 2, the latest and greatest RAZR phones, and etc. are up to the latest and greatest builds of Jelly Bean.
    Well neither is the VZW Galaxy Nexus. :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Well neither is the VZW Galaxy Nexus. :-)

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    Hmmm... really?
    Sent from my Verizon Galaxy Note 2, Verizon Galaxy S4, or N7, or MacBook Air
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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Google owns Motorola..... That's a lot of weight right there.

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    Google owns Motorola Mobility, not Motorola. Big difference, but neglible for our discussion I suppose. I say the proof is in the pudding, my friend. If Google had enough weight to strictly enforce its vision of the Nexus program on Verizon Wireless, it most certainly would have. They got as much cooperation from VZW as they could. Motorola Mobility lost most its money selling mostly dumb phones. Of course, Google's hoping to change that direction on multiple levels, but bet your arse that Google's main objective in buying MM was its 17,000 patents to stave off impending litigation from Apple and Microsoft. Android itself is only a small, rather insignificant portion of Google Inc. in terms of how it generates revenue. Microsoft and Apple, amoungst others, would LOVE for Google to try flexing its muscles in regards to carriers. Google knows this. Carriers know this. You see the results. Android needs the carriers support as much as the carriers need to sell Andriod devices. Unsubsidized and unlocked devices sold directly from the Play Store is Google's attempt to shake up the industry. Time will tell how it plays out. So far it looks like a winner. Apparently better than expected if the N4/N10 release/debocle is any indication.
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    Quote Originally Posted by PaulDroidR2D2 View Post
    Hmmm... really?
    Well I'm an average guy, I don't post on forums, the only form of root I know grow down from trees or is sold by Barq's, and ROM is usually preceded by CD. I'm buying myself some new phones/phone lines for the holidays and the Galaxy Nexus is $0 with a new phone line?
    Will I have photosphere? Will I have the latest version of Jelly Bean?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Well I'm an average guy, I don't post on forums, the only form of root I know grow down from trees or is sold by Barq's, and ROM is usually preceded by CD. I'm buying myself some new phones/phone lines for the holidays and the Galaxy Nexus is $0 with a new phone line?
    Will I have photosphere? Will I have the latest version of Jelly Bean?

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    Not until Verizon gets around to pushing it. That's what the whole debate is about with regard to carrier-branded versions of the Nexus.

    To get updates when the GSM version of the Nexus gets them, you'll have to access the root account of your phone and flash a new ROM.

    In layman's terms: you'll have to bypass the system-level security measures that the manufacturer and Google put in place and replace the factory-installed version of Android with a newer version obtained directly from Google (or one of the customized versions built by a 3rd-party developer like Cyanogen).

    I'm fully capable of doing that, but even I don't want to be bothered with having to do that in order to stay up-to-date with the latest version of Android. I'm not surprised that anyone else would be averse to jumping through those hoops.

    But I'm very glad that it's an option.
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    I am sick of this. I blame the Nexus since I do not have 4.2.1 and going to get a different phone from Verizon that does.

    Wait.......there isn't one.
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    Correct me if I am wrong. But below is the basic order of operation.

    Normal phones:
    Google comes out with new OS (say 4.2.1)
    Manufacturer plays with it and/or tweeks it (say GSIII)
    Then gets sent to carrier(say Verizion)
    Verizon then does whatever they do.
    Then the update gets pushed out.

    Nexus device:
    Google comes out with update(4.2.1)
    Then gets sent to carrier(say Verizion), unless you have an unlock(As in unlocked from carrier. I.E. one from the Play Store. Then skip to the last step)
    Verizon then does whatever they do.
    Then the update gets pushed out.

    Nexus still wins and in my opinion has a longer life cycle for updates. Plus since it is an AOSP phone the ROMs are more stable.
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    Quote Originally Posted by imnotajedi View Post
    Correct me if I am wrong. But below is the basic order of operation.

    Normal phones:
    Google comes out with new OS (say 4.2.1)
    Manufacturer plays with it and/or tweeks it (say GSIII)
    Then gets sent to carrier(say Verizion)
    Verizon then does whatever they do.
    Then the update gets pushed out.

    Nexus device:
    Google comes out with update(4.2.1)
    Then gets sent to carrier(say Verizion), unless you have an unlock(As in unlocked from carrier. I.E. one from the Play Store. Then skip to the last step)
    Verizon then does whatever they do.
    Then the update gets pushed out.

    Nexus still wins and in my opinion has a longer life cycle for updates. Plus since it is an AOSP phone the ROMs are more stable.
    That's about the size of it. To put it more succinctly...

    Normal Phones:
    Google > OEM > Carrier > User

    Carrier-branded Nexus:
    Google > Carrier > User

    Non-carrier-branded (unlocked GSM) Nexus:
    Google > User

    The more entities between Google and the User, the more delays, and the longer it takes to get an update (unless you take matters into your own hands by rooting/ROMing).
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saiga View Post
    Has anyone ever stopped to think that maybe the Samsung Galaxy Nexus is just another phone that Samsung made and sold to carriers without any real involvement from Google?

    This isn't a troll post so don't flame me. I've just been thinking about it and the situation honestly seems like Samsung made a phone for Google and then took the same basic phone and sold it to carriers on their own. That would explain a lot of things. I mean OEM skins are applied by the OEM, So all Samsung had to do was not apply Touch Wiz to their copies. So what if the Galaxy Nexus doesn't have a skin? That doesn't necessarily make it a Nexus, that could just mean Samsung chose to leave it off.

    The real Galaxy Nexus is free of carrier modifications, but Samsung could have allowed the carriers to make those modifications. Which seems more likely to you? Samsung allowed Verizon to modify the Galaxy Nexus or Google allowed Verizon to modify the Galaxy Nexus?

    The real Galaxy Nexus gets it updates directly from Google. Verizon has claimed that Samsung provides them with the updates for their Galaxy Nexus and once Verizon has tested it, they release it. Samsung provides the updates for all of their other devices also. Again, more reason to believe that Google may have had next to no involvement with the Verizon Galaxy Nexus.

    If you look internationally, there are several countries with carriers that offer these sorda Galaxy Nexus devices. I know of someone in Australia that has a carrier branded Galaxy Nexus that is still running ICS. Then you look at the Nexus S that also had more than one model and shares a similar history with certain models. I dunno, to me it seems like Samsung may be to blame for all of this.

    Maybe I'm crazy, but the Verizon Galaxy Nexus seems like just another Samsung phone, except without a skin on it. It certainly doesn't seem like a Google phone.
    Woah woah woah. Take off the hat and step away from the tinfoil.

    1. The updates DO come from Google. Says so in the URL for the updates that get pushed to the device. [REF] [HOW-TO] [GSM & CDMA] Official Google OTA update URLs -- Latest: JOP40D / 4.2.1

    2. Our version of the device is supported in AOSP. Something "real Nexus devices" get.Binaries for Nexus Devices

    So yeah. Maybe you are crazy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mechapathy View Post
    Woah woah woah. Take off the hat and step away from the tinfoil.

    1. The updates DO come from Google. Says so in the URL for the updates that get pushed to the device. [REF] [HOW-TO] [GSM & CDMA] Official Google OTA update URLs -- Latest: JOP40D / 4.2.1

    2. Our version of the device is supported in AOSP. Something "real Nexus devices" get.Binaries for Nexus Devices

    So yeah. Maybe you are crazy.
    Sure, I agree it's a Nexus, but it's a Nexus that suffers from carrier interference. The fact that you can work around that interference doesn't make the experience any less sour compared to a Google Nexus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mechapathy View Post
    Woah woah woah. Take off the hat and step away from the tinfoil.

    1. The updates DO come from Google. Says so in the URL for the updates that get pushed to the device. [REF] [HOW-TO] [GSM & CDMA] Official Google OTA update URLs -- Latest: JOP40D / 4.2.1

    2. Our version of the device is supported in AOSP. Something "real Nexus devices" get.Binaries for Nexus Devices

    So yeah. Maybe you are crazy.
    Ok..... get the update without unlocking your bootloader.....

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    Ok..... get the update without unlocking your bootloader.....

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    Just get Wug's Toolkit and stop trolling everybody

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    I'm just saying, majority of Verizon galaxy nexus owners don't root, ROM, unlock bootloaders, or post on forums.
    I've seen two galaxy nexus in the wild. Both stock.
    The only reason people on here think that everyone with a GNex knows how to do these things is because everyone who posts here does.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    Ok..... get the update without unlocking your bootloader.....

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    I didn't say Verizons update process isn't slow and archaic. It'll come as soon as Verizon says "yup, okay, go ahead Google." I was just disproving the twilight zone theory that we have some kind of Samsung-controlled impostor Nexus.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    I'm just saying, majority of Verizon galaxy nexus owners don't root, ROM, unlock bootloaders, or post on forums.
    I've seen two galaxy nexus in the wild. Both stock.
    The only reason people on here think that everyone with a GNex knows how to do these things is because everyone who posts here does.

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    I agree that stating that majority of people don't root, ROM, unlock is possibly correct.

    You could also state that majority of "those" people don't know, complain, or cry that their phone (verizon, sprint versions) does not get the update as fast as the GSM version. They probably have no clue nor bought the phone because of that. And for the small amount that actually do, they are informed enough to come on here to complain. I bet the few that know and complain, wish they would have read about how carriers cause these delays before they bought this phone. Maybe next time you should get the GSM version and you would have this problem. Or maybe you know that their(ATT and Tmobile) coverage sucks (at least in my area) and need Verizon. In that case this is still the best phone on Verizon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insp_Gadget View Post
    How about having and using Google Wallet out of the box... without having to side-load it and coax it to work on the Verizon version?

    When carriers remove/block features (and Google Wallet is a significant feature/service), that's enough reason for some folks to be upset, IMO. It takes away a feature/experience that Google intended for ALL Nexus users to have and enjoy.
    I didn't know anything about Google Wallet but if you are using it and like it; then it is significant. Even if it worked with my phone I would not use it, I would never use a phone as a substitute for my wallet the idea does not appeal to me, but I respect your opinion and desire to use it.
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    I didn't know anything about Google Wallet but if you are using it and like it; then it is significant. Even if it worked with my phone I would not use it, I would never use a phone as a substitute for my wallet the idea does not appeal to me, but I respect your opinion and desire to use it.
    It's pretty cool the first time someone tells you to slide your card and you hold your phone up to it, and they're like, ..... that doesn't work with phones...... And then it goes through, and they're like, WOW, HOW DID YOU DO THAT?
    But then you realize in the time it took Google wallet to process the order, you could have pulled out your wallet and slid your card through.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jova33 View Post
    It's pretty cool the first time someone tells you to slide your card and you hold your phone up to it, and they're like, ..... that doesn't work with phones...... And then it goes through, and they're like, WOW, HOW DID YOU DO THAT?
    But then you realize in the time it took Google wallet to process the order, you could have pulled out your wallet and slid your card through.

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    That slowness may have been your experience, but it hasn't been mine. Only takes two seconds. I usually have my phone in hand anyway, so just tapping my phone to the reader is faster for me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by smokie11 View Post
    I didn't know anything about Google Wallet but if you are using it and like it; then it is significant. Even if it worked with my phone I would not use it, I would never use a phone as a substitute for my wallet the idea does not appeal to me, but I respect your opinion and desire to use it.
    Fair enough. But the point I make is Verizon interfered with Google's intended build for the Nexus (i.e. pure Android) and as a result Verizon doesn't have the Nexus 4.

    People can dismiss the differences or justify the shortcomings of having a Nexus on Verizon if they like. Doesn't make those differences any less substantial.

    But use whatever works for you. That's what is great about a free market. Choice is a wonderful thing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Insp_Gadget View Post
    That slowness may have been your experience, but it hasn't been mine. Only takes two seconds. I usually have my phone in hand anyway, so just tapping my phone to the reader is faster for me.
    Dude, I'm quick draw with my wallet, out the pocket, card in hand halfway through leaving the pocket, and bam!, already swiped. I'll race you with Google wallet...

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    OK... I'll say it....

    How bout them COWBOYS!!!!

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    Could careless how many upgrades im behind. Every upgrade brings new bugs which im in no rush to deal with. As of now im running a old JB build and don't really care to upgrade because my phone is set up how I like it. Also all apps work, coming from a HTC Eris (Yes I was badly in need of a upgrade) I felt more compelled to try to keep up with new Roms because I wasn't able to download all available apps. Now any app I like i can get and runs perfectly. The new features are cool, but ill wait nothing to exciting
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    Fortunately Google has already put out a a bug addressing update so I'm sure we will see it in about eight to twelve weeks.
    Not soon enough for me. I would assume this will be the last update i receive before my contracts (5) are up next November. I will gladly go to t Mobile on a prepaid and dump these guys once and for all. My guess is VZW is about five years away from a true Nexus phone.
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