Is Jelly Bean making anyone else rethink the GS3?

**tekhna** · 07-03-2012, 11:31 AM

Gotta say, the more I see of Jelly Bean, the less and less I want anything other than a Nexus. There are serious drawbacks to the Galaxy Nexus, but the software just seems so far ahead of every other OEM skin, it has me thinking seriously about trading.

**TallyHo** · 07-03-2012, 11:34 AM

Not a chance. I am pretty confident that we will be able to root/ROM this thing in short order, so I'm not worried about it.

**tekhna** · 07-03-2012, 11:35 AM

Originally Posted by TallyHo

Not a chance. I am pretty confident that we will be able to root/ROM this thing in short order, so I'm not worried about it.

But given RIL issues, there's a very real chance we'll never get AOSP/AOKP. We can hope, and then I won't regret my choice at all, but I just wonder if we've hit a point where software > hardware.

**dmmarck** · 07-03-2012, 11:36 AM

Originally Posted by tekhna

Gotta say, the more I see of Jelly Bean, the less and less I want anything other than a Nexus. There are serious drawbacks to the Galaxy Nexus, but the software just seems so far ahead of every other OEM skin, it has me thinking seriously about trading.

And thus the quid pro quo of a Nexus device. The best software, so so hardware.

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**Bullfrog1337** · 07-03-2012, 11:36 AM

Nope. It will get JB in time.
I did order me a Nexus 7

**Speedygi** · 07-03-2012, 11:36 AM

Then you are going to regret it when the GS3 gets the update.

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**kilofoxtrot** · 07-03-2012, 11:37 AM

Had the Nexus.... the camera on that phone isnt worth JB to me.

**lpt2569** · 07-03-2012, 11:37 AM

Originally Posted by tekhna

Gotta say, the more I see of Jelly Bean, the less and less I want anything other than a Nexus. There are serious drawbacks to the Galaxy Nexus, but the software just seems so far ahead of every other OEM skin, it has me thinking seriously about trading.

The GSIII will have JB soon enough, one way or another. I wouldn't worry too much about that as a reason to return your GSIII. And if you don't like Touchwiz, use Apex or Nova Launcher. The GSIII is a beast, just enjoy it!

**tekhna** · 07-03-2012, 11:38 AM

Originally Posted by Speedygi

Then you are going to regret it when the GS3 gets the update.

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But it'll be bastardized JB. The new UI is excellent, and far better than anything Samsung will ever put out. Matias Duarte is brilliant.

**gollum18** · 07-03-2012, 11:39 AM

It's already been stated that any phone released this year with ics will get jellybean, it's really only graphics enhancements anyway +that 60fps thing. Besides I f doubt you would achieve that whole 60fps on the gnex the s3 has 2gigs of ram, and even just stock I've seen no reason to root it.

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**Speedygi** · 07-03-2012, 11:41 AM

Well, if you just want the Galaxy Nexus just for JB, you are better off waiting for Jelly Bean phones from Motorola or all of the other manufacturers.

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**biff6789** · 07-03-2012, 11:42 AM

The US variant of the S3 will see AOSP JB, you can bank on that.

If the Thunderbolt (with its completely ganked RIL and ridiculous two radios that were essentially duct-taped together can get AOSP - which it did - then any phone can get it ported).

**Speedygi** · 07-03-2012, 11:42 AM

I wouldn't know, because I'm loving my HTC One X now. Too much.

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**dmmarck** · 07-03-2012, 11:42 AM

Originally Posted by tekhna

But it'll be bastardized JB. The new UI is excellent, and far better than anything Samsung will ever put out. Matias Duarte is brilliant.

This.

Originally Posted by gollum18

It's already been stated that any phone released this year with ics will get jellybean, it's really only graphics enhancements anyway +that 60fps thing. Besides I f doubt you would achieve that whole 60fps on the gnex the s3 has 2gigs of ram, and even just stock I've seen no reason to root it.

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That's not necessarily true at all imo.

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**tekhna** · 07-03-2012, 11:45 AM

Originally Posted by biff6789

The S3 will see AOSP, you can bank on that.

If the Thunderbolt (with its completely ganked RIL and ridiculous two radios that were essentially duct-taped together can get AOSP - which it did - then any phone can get it ported).

No. Just no. The Thunderbolt is the only LTE phone with AOSP and it's GB.

The Charge, Bionic, Revolution, Droid 4, the Rhyme, the Rezound, Razr, Razr Maxx, Spectrum, et. al never received AOSP.

In the era of LTE, getting AOSP is NOT a given because of the RIL, and it feels more and more like selecting a phone on software is actually more important.

**Forgetful** · 07-03-2012, 11:51 AM

4.1 has some nice features... If you're interested in a nexus device then maybe that's what you need. 4.0 seems like a steppingstone to 4.1 almost like Google needed to release something last year and we got the beta/reduced features of 4.1

Don't count on seeing 4.1 "soon" on the s3. Nothing in the past indicates this. LTE phones (at least 1st gen) have gotten screwed as far as AOSP and if the S3 doesn't get it I'll be very sad.

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**wdfalco** · 07-03-2012, 11:51 AM

Brother I keep my gnex no matter what and no s3 for me

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**cae2685** · 07-03-2012, 11:53 AM

Two words: gorilla glass. My dx has been naked for years, and the screen has never scratched. S3 for me!

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**wdfalco** · 07-03-2012, 11:54 AM

In fact I'm using jelly best update ever

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**TallyHo** · 07-03-2012, 11:54 AM

Originally Posted by tekhna

But given RIL issues, there's a very real chance we'll never get AOSP/AOKP. We can hope, and then I won't regret my choice at all, but I just wonder if we've hit a point where software > hardware.

Either way, I am not worried.

ICS is plenty good for me. JB will be great once it gets official, but I'm good with ICS until that happens. I somehow think the RIL issues will get resolved.

Do you even think it will be an issue going from ICS to JB? I'm not smart enough to understand it, but they are both 4.XX ROMS, so I would think that if Samsung provides the source code, it could be used in JB.....maybe not.....idk..

**tekhna** · 07-03-2012, 11:57 AM

Originally Posted by TallyHo

Either way, I am not worried.

ICS is plenty good for me. JB will be great once it gets official, but I'm good with ICS until that happens. I somehow think the RIL issues will get resolved.

Do you even think it will be an issue going from ICS to JB? I'm not smart enough to understand it, but they are both 4.XX ROMS, so I would think that if Samsung provides the source code, it could be used in JB.....maybe not.....idk..

RIL is closed-source, as far as I know it's never released. It's also a massively difficult undertaking, as I understand it. Because there's no source, it's line-by-line reverse engineering in smali. One change breaks everything else, and when you've fixed that, it breaks everything else again. It's a massive undertaking, and has only successfully been done with one phone and one version of Android (GB).

**TallyHo** · 07-03-2012, 12:06 PM

Originally Posted by tekhna

RIL is closed-source, as far as I know it's never released. It's also a massively difficult undertaking, as I understand it. Because there's no source, it's line-by-line reverse engineering in smali. One change breaks everything else, and when you've fixed that, it breaks everything else again. It's a massive undertaking, and has only successfully been done with one phone and one version of Android (GB).

Interesting.

Well, I'll be happy with ICS until someone either figures it out or JB becomes official.

Hell, the devs got the camera on my DX working on ICS and HWA working and that was said it could never be done either......

I beleive I also had 4G LTE data on my XOOM before ICS was released for that device as well.....so......

**ibcop** · 07-03-2012, 01:17 PM

Hell to the no.....been there and done that with a Nexus.

**biff6789** · 07-03-2012, 01:22 PM

Originally Posted by tekhna

No. Just no. The Thunderbolt is the only LTE phone with AOSP and it's GB.

The Charge, Bionic, Revolution, Droid 4, the Rhyme, the Rezound, Razr, Razr Maxx, Spectrum, et. al never received AOSP.

In the era of LTE, getting AOSP is NOT a given because of the RIL, and it feels more and more like selecting a phone on software is actually more important.

Almost every phone you listed was either a Moto phone (which historically has not proven to be very friendly with AOSP) or a phone with an incredibly limited dev community.

I've spoken privately with one dev from CM and one dev from AOKP - both have said they intend to get their ROMs working on the US variant of the S3 due to its large user base and large anticipated dev communities.

**Biopsidy** · 07-03-2012, 01:31 PM

Originally Posted by dmmarck

And thus the quid pro quo of a Nexus device. The best software, so so hardware.

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My thoughts exactly. FOR A MOMENT I considered getting a Nexus and then I remembered it's a Nexus that failed to impress me several months ago (anyone feel that Samsung purposely held back the Nexus hardware to save it for the S3?) and that I'm also on Verizon and Verizon doesn't even play by the Google update rules.

The Nexus as a device is OK at best to me, even when it first came out. OK camera, OK screen, OK design, OK screen... nothing about it really stands out.

And then... while I liked the new notifications and Google Now, it'll be months AFTER Jelly Bean release before most of my apps even support that feature and then - like Siri and S-Voice - I really doubt I'd use Google Now a whole lot. It's a very situational feature. Nothing in Jelly Bean really made me feel like I "had to have it now".